That LSAT scared me.

@170orbust9192188 said:

Hey, sometimes MSS questions do involve synthesising and drawing a conclusion or an inference from the stimulus, however, the correct AC can draw support from any part of the stimulus and it may not necessarily be a conclusion drawn from it. It could just be an inference which is most strongly supported.

Thank you. So it won’t always be that then.

@tylerdschreur10199 said:

My first attempt was june of last year, and I've since taken twice at 8:30, so I can give you a first hand comparison. I didn't notice any fatigue or mental lapses in june, although I was EXHAUSTED when I walked out at 7 (it was a new testing center and took them a while to get started). However when I retook at 8:30 in Sept. and Dec I do think I was more alert and probably a little less fatigued during sections 4 and 5. I can't say definitively that that was due to the time of day, or my greater stamina from extra months of studying and taking tons more PTs.

I think it's definitely beneficial to adjust your sleep schedule slightly if possible. Taking a 5 hour test after already being up and under stress for 5-6 hours is not ideal. Obviously avoid taking any afternoon naps starting, like tomorrow!

Thank you very much for the informed response.

Really is one of those things where like, if I just sack up and take 40 PTs, after that experience the time of day I take the test won't matter much.

@alstadtjacob243 said:

@170orbust9192188 said:

@170orbust9192188 - great post here and thanks again for the AMA on 02/03/18.

I had a question regarding your statement on openness, specifically " Remember to be as open as you can with your employer..." - You were open with your employer that you were studying for the LSAT/applying to law school? How'd you swing that openness?

The conventional advice I've been given is to not share that info with your employer as it shows you to be a "flight risk" (although, I am currently in a PT job as a securities paralegal and the peace of mind I feel with having been very open with them I want to start law school in August 2019 is palpable).

If I can provide my experience - I regret not being open with my employer. By the time I finally told him about my plans I think he was hurt that I hadn't told him about it initially. This put a strain on a very good working relationship. If I could do it again I would have told my boss my plans from the beginning and I think things would have worked out better. I have to say though that my boss and I had a very good working relationship and we were almost like friends. Its also a small company. Perhaps this advice would not be the same for a bigger company where the boss is really the boss and not a friend.

@alstadtjacob243 said:

@170orbust9192188 said:

@170orbust9192188 - great post here and thanks again for the AMA on 02/03/18.

I had a question regarding your statement on openness, specifically " Remember to be as open as you can with your employer..." - You were open with your employer that you were studying for the LSAT/applying to law school? How'd you swing that openness?

The conventional advice I've been given is to not share that info with your employer as it shows you to be a "flight risk" (although, I am currently in a PT job as a securities paralegal and the peace of mind I feel with having been very open with them I want to start law school in August 2019 is palpable).

If I can provide my experience - I regret not being open with my employer. By the time I finally told him about my plans I think he was hurt that I hadn't told him about it initially. This put a strain on a very good working relationship. If I could do it again I would have told my boss my plans from the beginning and I think things would have worked out better. I have to say though that my boss and I had a very good working relationship and we were almost like friends. Its also a small company. Perhaps this advice would not be the same for a bigger company where the boss is really the boss and not a friend.

Have to play devil’s advocate - I think he was “hurt” because he/the company was investing in you with the expectation you’d be around for the long haul, not that you see this as a “stepping stone.” Had you told him from the beginning he likely wouldn’t have hired you.

@170orbust9192188 - great post here and thanks again for the AMA on 02/03/18.

I had a question regarding your statement on openness, specifically " Remember to be as open as you can with your employer..." - You were open with your employer that you were studying for the LSAT/applying to law school? How'd you swing that openness?

The conventional advice I've been given is to not share that info with your employer as it shows you to be a "flight risk" (although, I am currently in a PT job as a securities paralegal and the peace of mind I feel with having been very open with them I want to start law school in August 2019 is palpable).

@170orbust9192188 said:

OMG I didn't even realize that the June test is on a Monday afternoon... I've decided to postpone a cycle so having to take the June test wasn't even a concern until now. Definitely don't like the idea of having to ask off work for the LSAT. :worried:

I also don't like the idea of extra time in the morning before the test...I feel like that's extra time I'd be doing some hardcore last minute panicking. I've taken the test before, too, so I'm used to sitting at 8:30 for the real thing... But I like what you commented about mimicking the hours before the test! I'll have to do that!

When I was PTing for the December test, I would take PTs on the weekends around 12pm. It was more convenient for me schedule-wise. I personally didn't have any issues adapting to taking the actual test at 8:30am. Haha maybe because I'm a night owl? It looks like you guys are all morning people. :lol:

@170orbust9192188 said:

Go to bed super late (like 12-2am Saturday morning)

:sweat_smile: yeah that's my normal bed time

Good luck next week!

Thank you for the input. Happy to hear you did not see much of a difference between taking the test at 12-12:30pm and 8:30am.

I really think it's just neuroticism on my part even giving me the inkling that taking the test at 12:30pm is going to be world's different from taking it at 8:30am (said neuroticism should help me fit in as a lawyer though...)

Hope to hear other people chime in on strategies for how they re-adjusted themselves for the June Monday afternoon test.

Great interview JY & LSATcantwin, thanks for taking the time to do it.

My biggest takeaway is that LSATcantwin's success came from being process-driven as opposed to outcome driven. Make the process a habit/part of your natural rhythm, then (to use NBA draft parlance) "trust the process."

@jeremiahclarke242337 said:

If you are a morning person like me, it may be hard to adjust your study schedule and body clock. I find it difficult because I'm so used to taking power naps to re-energize in the afternoon and now I have to experiment with different study times because I've never taken a June test. But if you prefer the afternoom you should be fine.

Glad it isn't just me over-thinking this. I am a morning person too. What I've been thinking of so far as a way to "re-adjust my body clock" is this:

Go to bed super late (like 12-2am Saturday morning) then get up around 9:30 Saturday morning, do the same Saturday night and Sunday night, and then for Monday, the test day, getting up at 9:30am after getting 8 hours of sleep, and head to the test center.

What I am trying to do via this strategy is mirror my "awake hours" prior to the typical 8:30am start time - I typically get up around 5:30am for those, so I should aim to be awake 3 hours before the test time.

The only downside to adopting this strategy is that Monday mornings will be miserable for me, as I'll only be able to get up at 9:30am on the test day lol.

But an upside I just thought of that actually is getting me kind of excited for the June/July tests is that I can do some serious studying over the weekends (Friday, Saturday & Sunday night, on-top of during the day Saturday & Sunday), a study habit that could translate well into preparing applications and then ultimately law school.

Looking forward to this one.

@tylerdschreur10199 said:

@170orbust9192188 said:

@aaronkeegan92975 said:

@marinozach377 said:

Wow! This just might be perfect for me. I'm wondering if it'll be a 12:30 exam like June or the standard 8:30. Anyone have any more info?

I was thinking the same thing! This new date is extremely intriguing since I'm aiming for the June test date.

Also aiming for June. Especially since I have not studied as much as I should have over December/January, opting for the July 23rd date instead of June 11th sort of "resets the clock." That's an extra 6 weeks!

However, whether it is at 8:30am ot 12:30am is an important consideration. I'm going to assume it is a 12:30 one, which doesn't distinguish it much from June (aside from that extra 6 weeks...)

But then! There's the consideration of studying during the summer - I know myself well enough to know that the distractions will pile on as of mid-June, which is part of the appeal to the June take anyway...

DECISIONS!

What, no studying on the beach with a drink in hand? Are you sure you're meant to be a lawyer? Hahaha

And then, the idea of spending the final stretch of my studying on the beach further sold me on July.

@aaronkeegan92975 said:

@marinozach377 said:

Wow! This just might be perfect for me. I'm wondering if it'll be a 12:30 exam like June or the standard 8:30. Anyone have any more info?

I was thinking the same thing! This new date is extremely intriguing since I'm aiming for the June test date.

Also aiming for June. Especially since I have not studied as much as I should have over December/January, opting for the July 23rd date instead of June 11th sort of "resets the clock." That's an extra 6 weeks!

However, whether it is at 8:30am ot 12:30am is an important consideration. I'm going to assume it is a 12:30 one, which doesn't distinguish it much from June (aside from that extra 6 weeks...)

But then! There's the consideration of studying during the summer - I know myself well enough to know that the distractions will pile on as of mid-June, which is part of the appeal to the June take anyway...

DECISIONS!

@estoutenburg25267 said:

@sam850 said:

I also saw somewhere there is a January and March date in 2019. That's an abundance of future tests... in the near future.

Yea, here is the list of future dates: https://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/jd-docs/testdateweb.pdf

2018–2019 LSAT DATES

Monday, June 11, 2018

Monday, July 23, 2018 (North America only) ADDED

Saturday, September 8, 2018

Saturday, November 17, 2018

Saturday, January 26, 2019

Saturday, March 30, 2019

Monday, June 3, 2019

This July 23rd test isn't listed on the LSAC page you linked...

This is all I needed to see why D is a better answer than E.

However, I still quite don’t get what is wrong with E.

LSATChic,

Thanks for the response. Yeah...I should just not cut corners and do this the way JY structured it.

Wanted to see a boost for December for ego purposes.

My question just pertains to whether or not I would be learning the material in an inefficient way by deviating from the course's natural progression.

samantha.ashley92,

That neuroticism gets one a 170+. It definitely sparked an idea, thank you.

And Alex Divine - your comment sparked a good idea. I'll just write in a notebook, and then type in the module immediately after. I'm the same way int hat just writing soemthing down by hand feels like an organic method of learning (it's how humans have done it for thousands of years before computers - that experience has to genetically pre-dispose us to writing). Plus, by writing and then typing, I'm triple reinforcing this knowledge.

Thanks everyone.

Jkatx1488,

Good sugguestion. I'll incorporate something similar. Above all, seems like I should definitely use the notes section in the module.

ML_LSAT_Killa,

Thanks for your comment. I like that system. Especially since a few weeks back I lost the notebook I've been taking notes from the Powerscore LR Bible since late 2016 :neutral: