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Thursday, Sep 29 2022

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Scores for recent LSAT takers

For those who have been scoring in the 170s on this years LSATs, would you mind sharing how many questions you missed (not sure if this info is available) and what you're score was? 7sage has only a few preptests that use the modern test scoring with 3 scored sections and 1 experimental, and I'm not sure how reliable the "simulate modern" feature is.

For reference, I just got -6 on the entire test for PT83, and some alleged raw score converters online from LSAC place this as a 176. Just curious as to the real numbers from you test takers, I'm taking my test here in two weeks!

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Tuesday, Sep 20 2022

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Congrats on 176! Did you have a tutor through 7sage?

No, mine was actually someone I found on Reddit, but I've heard some good things about the tutors at 7sage

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Friday, Oct 14 2022

I had RC with stable banks, literati, and i forget the other two. Only one section, felt like a walk in the park

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Wednesday, Sep 14 2022

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October LSAT, 176 PT

Just want to hop on here and discuss some methods to get me to a 176 PT.

You've got to have a concrete approach to the questions. Here's how I break it down.

LG:

Do all the curriculum, follow all the advice. Here's my supplemental advice.

Must be true questions:

By nature of the question, the stimulus in the question HAS to lead you to a certain conclusion(s). Think about that when you are applying the additional premise to your game board or working off of the game board for those questions that have no additional premises. Look at every rule, and if you see that this specific question could lend itself to two game boards, quickly and carefully draw those out! You might, and likely will find, that X is in spot 4 in both boards, or that R is in group C in both boards, and there's your answer. You have to push through on these questions.

Could be true questions:

These, in my opinion, are harder, because the answers aren't always so easy to spot. Of course plug in any additional premise to your board and solve as normal, but if you're stuck thinking "I can't tell which direction to go", then start plugging in answers and see what will happen. It seems like a lot, but there are only 5 answers, the first one might work, the third one might work, or sometimes it's the last answer, but you've got to be able to decide that you need to shift out of "make your own inferences" mode into Test the answers mode. Knowing when to do this will precious time.

Can't be true/could be true except:

JY discusses this in many of the explanations, but it warrants my repetition. If a particular answer choice contains a game piece placement that seems to interact with many rules, i.e. it triggers a contrapositive and a not both rule, or it makes the game board have limited space for consecutive pieces, try this answer first. Not blindly jumping into answers and trying to sense the "pressure" from certain answers is a needed skill to get these harder questions right and right fast.

LR and RC:

I will be entirely honest, I did not go through the LR or RC curriculum on 7sage. I'm sure it is amazing curriculum; but I myself used a tutor when I was in the low 160s struggling on mostly LR and RC. But here is a drastic clue. You HAVE to have approaches to each question type, unless your last name is Kent and your girlfriend is Lois Lane. Knowing how to approach a flaw or an NA or a PSA is crucial. It creates structure to your test taking experience, and in theory, should result in the correct answer each time. Don't just like generically think "ok something has to be wrong here" when a flaw question is raised. Rather, realize its a flaw question, and proceed down a list of steps. Personally, I have this approach to flaws. I see that it's a flaw, and I know that I can predict the obvious answer, in which case I find the answer that exactly matches my thoughts and move on, or I summate the argument. By summate, I mean, "ok, its saying that because of this and this, this happens". People don't realize the power of what they're reading. The author is saying that because of x y and z premises, the conclusion is supported. But is it really?

All in all, that's just an example of an approach, but you need to have an approach to question types in LR. For RC, I'll say this, if the question references a certain line or idea, refer back to that line, but read the context above it first. Also, don't just stop at the end of the referenced material. If the mentioned idea/topic continues for the next few sentences. Glance back over that. The hard questions have their answers lying in the context of their references. One might then ask, "well aren't I wasting time??". Here's the answer. If you've read carefully before hand, then no. You'll have gone through the other questions easily because you took your time to understand the passage, and making certain that you comprehend the referenced stimulus in a question should not put you at a disadvantage for that passage as a whole.

But the emphasis is on the caveat. "As long as you've read carefully". Take the time, and I mean take the time. After each paragraph, I basically go through each idea I just read in those chunk of lines. Characters, viewpoints, if they disagree with someone or something, if there are any lists (there are three theories about evolution, x, y and z). Sometimes I spend 3.5 minutes reading, if it's a comparative section with two passages, I've spent 5 minutes. But I had time remaining at the end of the RC section overall.

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Thursday, Nov 03 2022

By cancelling, you're really not risking them thinking "man she got a 140". They have no basis to guess what score you made, so they don't play that game. All they see is a cancelled score. They can't venture into what it would have been. The only time that I've seen cancellations be viewed negatively is when you have like 4 of them in a row before your sent score, and even though that isn't the end of the world, the dean of UVA law admissions said something to this effect. "you don't get chances to retake exams in law school so the fact that you had to retake the LSAT a bunch of times to get your desired score isn't so great." HOWEVER, your score is still your score, so like I said, that isn't the end of the world.

Continuing with the UVA dean of admissions, she also said that she doesn't care if you've taken the test three times, so you're fine on that front.

You might be thinking, rightfully so, that schools just take the top score so that doesn't matter. You'd be right, they do take the top score, but the "it doesn't matter" thing comes more into play when you have a 174 and a 171. 170 to 167 is a much bigger difference than that, even though it's the same math.

you really shouldn't worry about what they will assume with a cancel, because they can't and won't assume anything.

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Cancel and write the addendum addressing that cancellation

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I would cancel. Excuse my bluntness, but it's better to have some think you had a lower score and not know, versus have them see that you got a 167. Score band isn't really important, 167-170 makes a drastic difference at the top. You're 170 is good, it's hard to attribute any rationale of thought to the adm. committees as far as how they will see your cancellation because there are so many possibilities. They would probably assume it is lower than a 170, but by how much, they really can't say. If you truly did have ProctorU issues, like virtually every human who takes the test now. A simple one line in the addendum of your app would be fine. "Reviewers of my application may notice a cancellation on my recent LSAT history. During the (insert month here) test, technical issues with the proctoring software took some time out of my test and resulted in a score that doesn't represent my abilities".

Writing the addendum is a sketchier decision that to cancel, I would do more school specific research, but the deans of both HLS and YLS said that they want to know if technical issues affected your test because that is obviously unrelated to your abilities. If your research tells you that you might should write an addendum about it, keep it brief, to the point, explanatory, and don't turn it into an excuse-fest.

Thanks for the advice! So if I do an addendum, should I cancel or keep it?

The only thing I'm wondering is if you think cancelling w/ addendum is better than keeping w/ addendum because the way I see it, a 167 with proctor issues seems better than risking them assuming I got a 140 or something with proctor issues. Perhaps it shows I was on track to breaking the 170 if not for proctor issues? Just thought I would get your two cents on this before I cancel, since I have basically a split reaction no matter where I post asking for help.

P.S. I'm thinking of seeing decisions roll in and then signing up for the April LSAT to try and get off waitlists if needed.

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Thursday, Nov 03 2022

Cancel and write the addendum addressing that cancellation

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I would cancel. Excuse my bluntness, but it's better to have some think you had a lower score and not know, versus have them see that you got a 167. Score band isn't really important, 167-170 makes a drastic difference at the top. You're 170 is good, it's hard to attribute any rationale of thought to the adm. committees as far as how they will see your cancellation because there are so many possibilities. They would probably assume it is lower than a 170, but by how much, they really can't say. If you truly did have ProctorU issues, like virtually every human who takes the test now. A simple one line in the addendum of your app would be fine. "Reviewers of my application may notice a cancellation on my recent LSAT history. During the (insert month here) test, technical issues with the proctoring software took some time out of my test and resulted in a score that doesn't represent my abilities".

Writing the addendum is a sketchier decision that to cancel, I would do more school specific research, but the deans of both HLS and YLS said that they want to know if technical issues affected your test because that is obviously unrelated to your abilities. If your research tells you that you might should write an addendum about it, keep it brief, to the point, explanatory, and don't turn it into an excuse-fest.

Thanks for the advice! So if I do an addendum, should I cancel or keep it?

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Thursday, Nov 03 2022

Fire yo!! congrats

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Wednesday, Nov 02 2022

No. Deans of HLS and YLS are on record saying they don't want an addendum for this. You clearly studied more or didn't have a previous obstruction. Either way, admissions committees don't want addenda for this!

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Wednesday, Nov 02 2022

congrats!!

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Wednesday, Nov 02 2022

congrats!!

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Wednesday, Nov 02 2022

I would cancel. Excuse my bluntness, but it's better to have some think you had a lower score and not know, versus have them see that you got a 167. Score band isn't really important, 167-170 makes a drastic difference at the top. You're 170 is good, it's hard to attribute any rationale of thought to the adm. committees as far as how they will see your cancellation because there are so many possibilities. They would probably assume it is lower than a 170, but by how much, they really can't say. If you truly did have ProctorU issues, like virtually every human who takes the test now. A simple one line in the addendum of your app would be fine. "Reviewers of my application may notice a cancellation on my recent LSAT history. During the (insert month here) test, technical issues with the proctoring software took some time out of my test and resulted in a score that doesn't represent my abilities".

Writing the addendum is a sketchier decision that to cancel, I would do more school specific research, but the deans of both HLS and YLS said that they want to know if technical issues affected your test because that is obviously unrelated to your abilities. If your research tells you that you might should write an addendum about it, keep it brief, to the point, explanatory, and don't turn it into an excuse-fest.

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Wednesday, Nov 02 2022

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Congrats! Just got my mark back this morning and I got a 176! So happy for you!

Congrats!!

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Saturday, Jul 02 2022

Would Love to join!

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Wednesday, Nov 02 2022

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143 to 177, Let me refer you to my tutor!!

I'm not even sure what my diagnostic score was, but I think it was around a 143, it has been over a year since that happened, but I am happy to finally say that my LSAT journey is over. Logged in today to see a 177. 7Sage is masterful!!

If you're looking for a tutor, please message me. (hopefully that is allowed on this forum?). I was stuck in the low 160s all throughout last year, had to cancel my Oct 2021 LSAT because I panicked. Decided to delay a year and study more. Found a tutor, wouldn't have gotten here without him.

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