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Thursday, Mar 31 2016

allisongillsanford643

Reading Comp best practices for improvement

Hi all,

I'm really interested in crowd sourcing some best practices for improving reading comp, especially from those of you who have seen significant gains in that section. It's a weak spot for many students and it seems perhaps to call for a more individualized approach depending on if you tend to over focus on details, or miss the tone of the passage, etc. As I work with more students to improve this section, I want to be able to give tailored advice that might not come from my own experience.

So, what has helped you improve? Does the memory method work for you? Have you tried any other methods with success? Have you picked up tips for pacing that made you a faster reader? How do you retain the passage? Do you use a notation strategy, and if so, how do you do it?

Go!!

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Thursday, Jul 28 2016

This is great too, and a solid counterpoint to the one I was making:

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's example is excellent - without having to be non-white or economically disadvantaged, being military/military spouse, a parent and substantially older ARE things that give you a different perspective on the world that can translate in a different classroom "voice" than what you'd get from a group of mostly white, mostly middle-upper class, mostly single, mostly American born and raised millennials.

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Monday, Jul 27 2015

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Advice on when to take the test...

Hi folks, looking for advice here. As a side note, I love the community feel and all the support on the discussion forum!

I'm trying to score in the high 160s or even maybe low 170s to get significant scholarship offers at my local law school options (the better school here has average 164 LSAT, with 3.67 GPA ). For reference my UG GPA was 3.87.

I started studying in January, but was still at a demanding job and my pace slacked. I picked it up again in June when I quit my job, and my plan has been to study June-Sept and take the Oct exam.

I've finished the Trainer and initially thought to use 7Sage just for LG, but now I've gone through the core curriculum for RC as well. I think the Trainer is great for LR, but I am wondering about going through the 7Sage core curriculum for LR as well - though this would put me behind on my study schedule.

Currently, I'm working through the LG bundle and seeing improvement, but it is slower than I anticipated. I usually drill games until I'm hitting JYs target time for them.

All that to say... lately I have been thinking that the Oct test is a stretch. I planned to begin PTing with BR next week (2-3/wk); If I go through the LR curriculum it will probably set me behind a week, giving me only 8 weeks for PTs. I believe I can do about 23 PTs even with the set back, but I had planned for at least 30 before the test...

I believe I could perform higher if I take in Dec, and some of the schools I am interested in will even take the Feb test. However, I'm concerned I will miss the window of time in which most scholarships are given out.

Any advice or suggestions very appreciated!

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Friday, Oct 27 2017

@ no, I don't think it's necessary to account for that gap in your resume. You might be asked during an interview though what you did during that time.

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Sunday, Jul 24 2016

I did the Trainer first because I knew about it before 7Sage, but overall they are so complimentary to each other that I don't think the order matters too much. I suggest using 7Sage for a more comprehensive LG intro, and then looking at the LG sections in the Trainer afterward.

I didn't use the Trainer study guides, you will be fine if you follow the core curriculum here and when you finish that (including drilling all problem sets), begin PTs with quality BR. Read the Trainer at any time during the CC part of your studies. Hope that helps!

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Thursday, Jul 23 2015

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Trello as an organization tool for studying

Hi all, just wanted to share a great tool that has been working well for me to organize my study tasks. I think there are some particular challenges for self-guided LSAT students regarding time management and where to focus, and perhaps some of this can be addressed with better organization. I have been using Trello to keep track of four main categories: To learn (core curriculum/fundamentals), To review (material I know I am fuzzy on or need to memorize), To practice (problem sets to drill), and then notes about what is currently tripping me up on each section. I have also organized my overall study timeline on this tool. You can add checklists to cards, and due dates for cards as well.

Works great for me - if anyone is struggling to get organized or keep track of work outside of the 7Sage syllabus, I recommend this.

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Saturday, Jul 23 2016

@ please add me to the email about times, not sure I can make it but I would like to be in the loop!

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Saturday, Jul 23 2016

@ question for you: are you a middle class straight white woman? If so, tread carefully with the DS, unless it is required for your application. I don't know your demographics, or if you have more ties to majority culture vs. other cultural viewpoints, but if you are squarely a majority culture person who writes a diversity statement about your personal experiences that have little connection to systemic inequity, you run the risk of coming off tone deaf about the values inherent in diversity. This could hurt your application more than help it, and you can always write about overcoming personal obstacles in your personal statement.

PM me if you want to talk more, I'd be happy to learn more about where you are coming from.

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Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

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Hamilton thread

This is purely for fun.

The Hamilton soundtrack was my pump up music before the LSAT administration in Dec. I went in saying, "I am not throwing away my shot!"

So, this is for the other Hamilton devotees out there. I know there are some of you on 7Sage.

If you haven't heard it yet, go listen to the opening number on Spotify. I don't even care how you feel about musicals, go listen to it.

...I guess we could also talk about other things that you love that bring you sanity during your study sessions...

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Tuesday, Aug 23 2016

@ can't wait to see you on campus!! we start orientation on Wednesday...

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Wednesday, Oct 21 2015

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How to approach "most logically completes" LR questions

Does anyone have a specific strategy for these? They seem to be cropping up more often, and I usually do it by gut instinct, which is fine with easy ones but hasn't worked as well for harder questions. I think this trips me up because I'm not sure what the LSAC wants here. I heard one explanation that you need to take all given premises from the stimulus and choose a conclusion that uses them all in some way... but should that the be goal if using all the given premises would make you construct a bad/illogical argument? I don't know if they want a solid, less flawed argument, or something that looks more like a typical question stem with issues, but that links all the ideas in a flawed support structure.

Help?

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Thursday, Sep 21 2017

Yup I did this, took off about 6 months to study full time. I don't think it matters much, you just have to be able to account for what you were doing with your time - and deciding to study full time is not some kind of indicator that you are an inferior applicant! I think, to the contrary, it demonstrates to elite schools that you are a hard worker and can handle law school.

I would say taking the LSAT 3 times reflects more poorly on your study habits than taking time off from work and studying full time to reach your goal score.

If you had a year or two with nothing on your resume, you might get questions about what you were doing. I believe that is a screening process to make sure you are a motivated individual.

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Friday, Sep 18 2015

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Advice for future plan of attack

Hi all,

I can't resist reaching out to you all for some advice, as it's been so quality in the past!

I've finished both the course and LSAT trainer and I'm now two PTs in (not much, I know), and wondering if I should suspend PTs and do some drilling. Or just keep doing PTs with quality BR?

I really memorized as much as I could during the core course, and took my time to internalize the concepts before moving on.

I will take the Dec test.

First PT: RC 19/26, LG 19/23, 1st LR 21/26, 2nd LR 24/26

Second PT: RC 25/26, LG 14/24,1st LR 19/26, 2nd LR 23/25

On the second PT I messed up some rules on LGs and knew I was doing terribly, ended up panicking a bit and I only got to 3 of the 4 games. But my main concern is the variety of problem sections here... after my first test I thought RC was my worst section, now it looks like LG. LR looks much more consistent across the two tests. How can I tell what I need to work on the most?

Any advice for how to proceed? I need high 160s and would be thrilled with anything past 170. I'm BRing around 178, so I given enough time I get what is going on in all sections.

I only got through about half the LG bundle before PTs, and I know it is the least intuitive section for me. So I plan to work through the bundle, but not sure if I should suspend PTs in the meantime. I would like to do 20-30 PTs before the Dec test, but obviously only if that is the most beneficial strategy here.

Thanks for any advice! Good luck to everyone.

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Monday, Jul 18 2016

Yess!! Please do the webinar, you have so much wisdom to pass on! Get it!!

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Friday, Jul 17 2015

allisongillsanford643

POE on RC?

Hi fellow 7-Sagers,

Looking for some advice here; is process of elimination the best strategy for answering all types of RC questions? It seems like reading through all answer choices can be a real time sink, but I have been under the impression that POE is best most of the time on the test (apart from certain LG questions where you can hunt for the correct answer and/or move on right after you find it). Thoughts?

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Sunday, Jul 17 2016

If you're having issues, you probably have an imprecise understanding of what the task of the question type is - as @ said, review the CC for NA and then if you are still having trouble, let us know.

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Sunday, Jul 17 2016

The group is still pretty new and largely unstructured, I believe @ is the natural leader though. We can make it what people want/need so throw ideas out there!

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Saturday, Jul 16 2016

@.kpegba one thing you can do is increase your exposure to reading dense materials by reading sources like the Economist, doing that every day can help but it's a long road to actually increase your reading speed.

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Thursday, Jul 14 2016

Yeah, that's totally realistic, but you will need to master that section. You can do it, but it takes time! I got -4 on my administration, which was largely due to the third game (December 2015) which was irregular. Most people who score high get their LG down to -0/-2 average.

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Thursday, Jul 14 2016

@ it might be helpful for you to get someone else's eyes on your work - can you pull some of these specific games and have someone (study buddy) watch your work?

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Thursday, Jul 14 2016

@ lol maybe we should grab a drink + pizza together post LSAT for you!

@ yeah it so important at that phase, you're battling for every correct answer and each right or wrong choice weighs in so heavily on your ultimate score... way to track the holistic essential strategies.

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Thursday, Jul 14 2016

One thing I really liked with the Trainer is Mike Kim's way of representing subsets on the board when they come up. JY doesn't have a similar method. That is really the only addition to 7Sage from the Trainer that I made, but I agree in general with @ that having too much input on how to do games can confuse you with multiple systems. Ultimately you need to pick what works for you and stick with it, but 7Sage is the better system to start with - then consider supplementing with other materials.

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Thursday, Jul 14 2016

There is so much to be said about this process, I encourage you to do some online research and potentially hire a consultant if getting scholarship funds is a priority for you. Sometimes you can haggle, but you need leverage (such as a better offer from a peer school), and you need to do it right.

Basic overview is that you will be in a really good position for schols if you are above 75th percentile for a school in both LSAT and UGPA. You can still get some help if you're below this mark, but how much is trickier to estimate. However, this depends a lot on the school, and their degree of funding. I applied to some schools where I was way over 75th percentile on both, and their scholarship offer was far smaller than other much more highly ranked schools gave me. You need to be aware of who competes with who for the same students, because that is where they try to influence your choice by showering you with funds. Check out http://www.abarequireddisclosures.org/, you can download reports on schools and see averages of how much money they give in scholarships. And of course http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ will give you anecdotal pictures of the same information from individual students.

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Thursday, Jul 14 2016

That's a score to be seriously proud of. And since you're still climbing, I have faith you can hit that 170+ range!!

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Thursday, Jul 14 2016

As much as possible, you should simulate the test day environment by taking PTs in the morning after you've been up for a few hours. Lots of people who take PTs in the afternoon (the worst time!) or evening deal with fatigue issues that you wouldn't feel if you took it earlier in the day.

And of course you need to get enough sleep. Sleep deprivation is similar in the brain to intoxication, so unless you want a drunk LSAT score, you should be sleeping 7-9 hrs the night before (I was an RA in college and I had to attend the drinking seminar sponsored by the science dept every year...).

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Thursday, Jul 14 2016

Fantastic!! Good to hear you're shooting for Sept, but maintaining some flexibility in case you aren't where you need to be. You can get there, it's just a question of how quickly.

On games - if you haven't started the bundle (is this what you meant by needing to start the games?), you've got a pretty big task ahead. You won't be able to PT super soon if you still have that work to do.

One way you could get a sense for your progress would be to take a test and do the 2 LRs, 1 RC, and 1 game section split up over the course of the next week in the mornings or at lunches. Then you can score and see how you're doing. I think it's okay to sacrifice one PT for this in order to help you make timeline decisions.

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Thursday, Jul 14 2016

Hmm okay, that experience with the diagnostic makes it pretty hard to judge how much of a gap you have to close. It seems like you don't have reliable data, but even assuming you're starting from a baseline in the low 150s, I would really recommend that you use that first PT after you finish the CC to help you determine what a realistic timeline is for you to hit your goal score with such a demanding job. I definitely want to encourage you here, but also there are true limitations that come with setting a short timeline for yourself - something to keep in mind if you're serious about hitting that goal score.

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Thursday, Jul 14 2016

I'll be at at the BPL in Copley Square 12-2pm on Saturday for a tutoring session already... so if anyone else is interested in LSATing in that beautiful courtyard, I'll be there!

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Thursday, Apr 14 2016

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Study resource group for ESL and International students?

Hey folks, is anyone here who is taking the LSAT with English as their second language interested in learning together? I've been hearing more inquiries about study strategies for people who encounter a significant language barrier with the test. Let's use this thread for ESL students to connect and see how much interest there is, in addition to sharing helpful strategies with each other.

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Wednesday, May 11 2016

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Public Interest Interest

Hey folks,

Lately I've been meeting many other 7Sagers who are interested in pursuing a public interest legal career. This is my own area of interest, and in the course of getting prepared for school this fall I've learned a lot about the realities of this type of work and how to position yourself to do it. If I get enough interest on this thread, I'll host a webinar in a couple of weeks for any and all public interest folks.

As we do here at 7Sage, I want to both encourage everyone, and also help people consider if this is a feasible and realistic career path. With few exceptions, public interest career paths are tough, unconventional, and require flexibility and tenacity to break into.

Here are some topics we would discuss:

- What types of legal careers fall within the designation "public interest"?

- How to mitigate debt

- The importance of where you go to school

- What to focus on during school

- How to stay in public interest work for the long term

Interested?

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Monday, Aug 08 2016

@ I'm there this Saturday if it's happening!

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Monday, Aug 08 2016

@ invite me too!!

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Monday, Aug 08 2016

yeah it was long overdue! @ forgot to tag you earlier :)

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Monday, Aug 08 2016

I love Trello! I use it for everything really, but it was especially helpful for LSAT studying and law school applications. I feel that I only use it in a basic way though, if anyone has favorite features I would love to hear how you use it.

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Sunday, Mar 06 2016

allisongillsanford643

[Test Center Review] Seattle University, Seattle, WA

Proctors: Very professional and helpful.

Facilities: Really great - held in the SU law school building. One advantage here - you can take PTs in this building to get used to the space before your administration (I suggest coming on a Friday, when they have less classes). I took 3-4 PTs here before my actual test and really felt at ease due to familiarity with the space.

What kind of room: Large lecture style classroom.

How many in the room: Probably 50

Desks: Long table desks shared by 2 students each for the administration - there was plenty of room to work.

Left-handed accommodation: I didn't pay attention to this, but there was so much space it probably wasn't an issue.

Noise levels: Very quiet.

Parking: Tough in this area, unless you want to pay for on campus parking; I got dropped off

Time elapsed from arrival to test: This was my only complaint, mandated arrival time was 8:30, then check-in, after which you are not allowed to use the bathroom... we didn't begin the test until close to 10, so it can be a long time to wait before the break to use the bathroom.

Irregularities or mishaps: One person did not have a scantron inside her shrink-wrapped test booklet. The proctors had to stop the whole room to go find her a scantron, and it probably delayed our start time by about 15 minutes. However, I'm not sure the test center or proctors could have done anything differently to avoid this.

Other comments: My main complaint is the severe restrictions on bathroom use, but the LSAC is to blame for that, not the test center.

Would you take the test here again? Yes

Date[s] of Exam[s]: 12/5/15

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Tuesday, Jan 05 2016

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7Sage is (collectively) my hero

Hi all, received my score yesterday and I couldn't be happier. Came in at a 173. I studied full time since June, which is not such a long time by certain standards, but I really did it full time, 40+ hrs/wk. I am thankful to all the folks who make 7Sage what it is - I have no doubt that this is the best way I could have prepared for the LSAT. 7Sage prepared me to work hard and take the test seriously because there's no BS in the curriculum, or on the discussion forum. I benefited enormously from the advice on here - both JY's voice in my head from all those videos, and the active mentors who give so much time to help other people succeed.

I know the report we got yesterday was a let down for some. If you're feeling that way, just know you are in the best prep community, and you can keep advancing if you are willing to put in the time and effort that it takes for you to get there - which is different for each person (but not easy for anyone!).

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