I think it's a case by case basis. I know I had some marks come back lower than I wanted... and would have brought my CGPA lower than I would have wanted... so I opted for a pass/fail option. The marks weren't bad, by any means, but i think preserving your CGPA trumps having a visual number on there.

Trust your gut. a 173 is an amazing score. However... I think the key word here is MEDIAN. I know I'm currently studying my ass off for the same reason you did. . . but if you're looking into schools like HYS. . . then it's important to remember that alooot of people will be applying that scored better than you.

Not to mention that the difference between a 173 and a 178 is realistically probably 1 or 3 questions. Trust yourself. But also CALLLLLLLLLLL them... it's such a valuable resource. Call and ask these types of questions to admissions!!

This seems like a question for one of the sages. . . but . . . repetition and drilling your weak spots (the question types you're getting wrong consistently or struggling with the most).

Ontario , eh

Hey... I'm interested. Uhm. I'll send you a DM

So, I'm kind of privileged in this sense. . . I've been around for a couple years. I started, uhm, following 7sage long before I actually began studying for the LSAT. Point being. . . I've had the privilege of watching the process of many of the "Sages" whine... cry... and struggle mentally during their studying phases. I've seen the several of the sages absolutely HARD STUCK on a certain question type. . . certain section. . . and several of the sages absolutely defeated when they felt they couldn't grow any further.

My point? We're human. Not all of us are born with innate gifts. Hell. Odds are, if you're here, you weren't. I have found that people (including myself) get so so so caught up on the "score range that I can improve" ... "8-12 points on average"... well... I've recently been informed (I think I secretly knew this) that it's a ridiculous way of thinking. WHY??

IF the LSAT is out of ~102 questions. . . why aren't we aiming to get 102 questions right? or 90? or 80? why are we measuring our 'success' by a scaled score? Because that's the end score we are given. But that end score isn't going to help us improve DURING. Focus on your sections. . . if you're getting 15 right... strive for 16. once you get 16 get 17. Because realistically. . . My friend my this point grossly clear. The difference between him getting a 168 on one test and a 172 on another. . . was TWO QUESTIONS. TWO. Every sage, every high scorer, every tutor I've spoken to, they've all told me the same thing. Focus on the little victories. Because realistically. . . the difference between a 148 or 152 and a 160 ... really isn't that many questions.

I've found myself so fixated on 'score' that it's become toxic to me. Yes, it can be a motivator. But, yes, it can also be an inhibitor. Find your rhythm. Create a routine. Become comfortable. Find study partners (in-person or online). And, most importantly, invest yourself. Leave nothing on the table. Put your heart and soul into it. Become obsessed. Become fixated. Think about what you've learnt in everything you read. Everything you do. Think about the LSAT so much that you dream about it. Do this, and I guarantee you will come out with a score that you're proud of.

We are a community. Use us. Abuse us. Talk with us. Message people. Have no shame.

We are all striving for greatness and greatness is never achieved alone. (3(/p)

I got a message from a friend that was scoring in the high 170s. . . and this is what it said: My proctor fainted during the first section, hit the wall, laid on the floor trying to get back together. The other proctor decided to start the test. Few minutes into section 1, the first proctor starts throwing up while loudly expressing pain. He stops throwing up, talks to the other proctor at a normal volume for a whole minute. My language comprehension shattered to pieces. Walked out after section 2.... moral of the story, sometimes shit is against you. He went back the next test and got a 174 :) don't get discouraged

I'm not sure if he's still doing them. . . but I know there was a weekly Zoom group that usually met on Saturdays to go over a test. I can't remember the name off the top of my head, unfortunately. My advice is be proactive, private message one of the active sages or just active members on the forums and I'm sure you'll receive an expedient response.

I can't remember which, but it was one of the tests this year that had one I believe. There was quite an uproar due to their lack of presence in Pts (like you said) ... My advice is to just make sure you're able to recognise one if you see one! Worst thing that could happen is you think it's a sequencing game or something and get stuck

Uhm, check to see if you chose the reduced time option. I know I personally like to practice with the reduced time option of -3% and hope to bump it up later. . . but it sounds like you may have accidentally or forgot that you chose that option!!

I'm from Ontario! Send me a message. My goal is in and around yours!

Uhm, depends on how confident you're feeling personally. I really like the digital test feature. . . access to all the PT's that are available... If for nothing else, the availability of questions, explanations, and other features for practicing is what truly sold me. I went through the CC... and can fairly confidently say that it is fairly rudimentary in terms of content. If you're familiar with logic and how it works, then much of the CC will be a refresher for you. However, the CC taught me how to apply my understanding of logic to specifically the LSAT.

I personally haven't began using the analytics feature (yet) but I've heard wonderful things about it. The most I can say is that if you're already considering refunding, then its clear you already have doubts about whether you need the study material. Now it's up to you to decide whether the confidence is faux or not. Best of luck :smile:

Yep! Take a break my friend. If you've noticed an obvious decline in scores... in an obvious way... that is not attributable to increased difficulty in PT's , then it sounds like you're starting to burn out.

I cannot speak for you, but, personally, I'm just getting off a 3-day break for this exact reason. I'd been studying daily for little over a month... and I began to get lazy. And, when I say lazy, I don't mean, just not doing it, I mean it in the same way you explain it... That I began to "gloss" over the passages... "gloss" over the answer choices... and not "fully" comprehend/breakdown/think about what I was doing. I was on auto pilot.

From what I've learnt thus far while studying for the LSAT, most people wouldn't traditionally consider what I explained as "laziness" per sae... but more of "honest mistakes". But, I contend that if these aren't mistakes you typically make... or mistakes you know how to avoid... it isn't a lack of knowledge that is causing you to get the question(s) wrong, but the (lack of) effort put into the question.

But I digress! Best of Luck :)

I think it speaks for itself, really. If you can take individual sections and do well... but when you put them together, you do poorer than usual, it sounds like you're not as strong in the sections that you're doing poorer on...

But this is assuming a consistent pattern though... for example.... if you're consistently doing worse on a certain section when you do the entire test, it would be my guess that perhaps you are struggling to.. uh... change mindsets? if that makes sense. Like transitioning from LR to RC or RC to LG etc,. So, perhaps the next step would be to introduce an extra section into your studying.. drill LR followed by RC then blind review them or something :p i'm sure analytics have better answers for you.

As for your logic games question, it depends on the amount of time you are planning to study. From what I've heard, more is better when it comes to the LSAT. More practice= better. The concept of LG hasn't changed all that much over the years. . . Some may be more difficult than others for differing reasons, but the core concepts remain the same imo.

Perhaps False dilemma would be best used to describe this question. Assuming that there are only two outcomes... when in reality, there are more. Uhm, I think I would justify my assertion by looking at the question as such :

You are either motivated or not motivated.

By interpreting it as such, I am aiming to echo the failure to consider varying degrees of "motivation", or, the state of being "motivated"; as is shown in the passage, and once again in answer choice E.

but this is just how I chose to parse it. Truth be told, you could name and attribute many fallacies to this passage! hope this helps!

Yeah. Quit. It's all over. You're doomed for failure. Destined to work as a Walmart greeter (no offence to all my fellow greeters out there)

Or, perhaps don't try to be so hard on yourself. Much like you I struggle with ADHD and it has made my studying... interesting to say the least. However, I've come to stop looking at the study schedule as the holy scripture. Fuck that. Instead, I mapped out a plan for me.. by me... and incorporated the CC into that plan. What does this mean you ask? Well I'm glad you did! The CC isn't a checklist. When you finish the CC you aren't ready to take the test... hell nah, the CC is just your introduction to the material. So introduce yourself to what you want, when you want, for how long you want. If you're doing LR and struggling and come to a point where continuing to do it won't benefit you, move on! come back to it!

My biggest struggle thus far has been staying consistent with my studying. For, like you said, the responsibility is all on me. It's my choice to study. I'm studying for me. I'm not studying for a test in Uni where I am forced to do so. I'm studying for some imaginary test that I'm supposed to take in several months. SEVERAL MONTHS. But, I've come to realise, that I NEED to have myself invested in that. I cannot look at it as being several months away. I need to make it feel like it's tomorrow. I need to be invested in my studying... so, I look at my law school I want to attend. I interact with other people who push me and challenge. I try to use everything I have learnt and am continuing to learn in my day to day life so that I may continue to learn it.. and internalise it.

They call the LSAT a monster. A beast. But you know what else they called a beast? SHREK. But Orgres are like onions. Made of layers. Peel those layers back. Take the time to get to know this ogre and you'll come to realise that perhaps it isn't so bad. And suuuure it's likely that you'll get dissuaded, probably cry, and lord knows what else as you peel back all those layers. But you know what happens once you reach the middle? You know what awaits you? I heard--and don't quote me-- that once we finally peel all these layers back, there exists the seed of truth and knowledge of all that is the LSAT. And boy oh boy do I hope that this is true.

P.s.

You know if you're struggling and you know if you're burning out. You know if your frustrated and you know if your thriving. You know if you're bored and you know if you wanna just give up. You know you. So trust yourself. Trust that you know yourself well enough to guide yourself through this tough time. And, in the times that you waiver, and feel like all hope is lost, come, find a friend on these forums, and realise you aren't alone, nor do you have to be. :)

--the ramblings of a guy finishing his studying @ 4am because he procrastinated most the night

@jhaldy10325 said:

I’ve never heard of anyone moving through the CC too slowly. That said, you may ultimately have a choice to make: If it comes down to it and you have to choose one and only one, would you prioritize your test date or your target score? That answer can go a long way towards informing you on how to balance breadth and depth. I’m all about depth—arguably to a fault—but there are definitely legitimate arguments and considerations on both sides. The important thing is to actively define your priorities and proceed accordingly.

Is that banana bc you are a community manager? Not going to lie, I like the nanner alot more than the star for the Sage

We are given scrap paper I believe... and will probably rely heavily on that whilst highlighting minimally ... but yeah... certain colours for certain things is basically what i've been doing

I really really like what Leah said. Honestly, warm up how you feel best. I personally like lists and find them incredibly useful. I personally spend the beginning of my time reviewing fundamentals very briefly just to get me into "the logical mindset".

I had a statistics professor tell me to do this for all my exams and it truly did work. Always start with the practical work--in this cases it was equations-- before moving onto the multiple choice stuff. For, in starting with the practical work you're actually engaging with the concepts and thereby getting into the grove... or atleast that's how I feel :)

So I do alittle something like this

Logical indicators [x]

Logical symbols [x]

Logical forms [x]

Types of arguments [x]

Types of nonarguments [x]

Fallacies [x]

Sufficient and necessary conditions [x]

Contrapositives [x]

This obviously isn't exhaustive, but i find it helpful to just review or get back to where i left off from the night or day or week before. best of luck and if you need a reliability partner hit me up!!

Well, I'm currently very guilty of this very thing. However, I've been doing my best to budget my time productively. Starting May 1st I bought two notebooks... one tracks the time I sit down to start studying and the other tracks the specific productive study hours.

So basically it looks like this

May 11| Start: 6:50pm

Finish: 11:00pm

^This is how I format my sit down time...

My actual productive time starts with a 10minute meditation to get me focused... and after my meditation is over I count that as the beginning of my actual study time. For example, if i sat down at 6:50 but didnt start my meditation until 7:00 ... i track this as "meditation 7:00-7:10"

Then if i stop for a break I mark down the time I stop at... and mark the time I start back up at.

However, I also imposed fairly strict rules on myself... such as .. all breaks are manditory 5minutes.. breaks will end with a brief stretch/walk around... Checking social media invokes a necessary break.. checking phone invokes necessary break etc,.

I'm hoping by finding my optimal study amounts that I can learn to budget my time effectively. So if im sitting down for 10 hours and studying for 3 hours.. i'm hoping i can find the 3 hour window where i am most productive and utilize that and not isolate myself from the world.

I'm lucky that most of my friends had already moved away across the country to various schools so i don't feel any necessary pull to interact with them in person. I'm also very lucky I have a very encouraging girlfriend who understands that I need to sit down and study and understands how important this is to me. For that reason, especially that reason... I want to learn to budget my time for those around me.. and not be so selfish with my time if I don't need to be... if that makes sense

@alan-91620 said:

@alumivacui751 @aaronkeegan92975 Was the highlighting issue you experienced on LSAC’s site or 7Sage?

The 7sage one is working now. I would go so far as to say it works BETTER than the lsac one currently. the fluidity was the issue... atleasst that is how i would describe it.

Quick question, why did you choose UBC over Osegoode?