I'll be doing the June exam. Please add me to the list.

Congratulations Alex! I know that you've been grinding away at it for so long. I'm excited to see what's next for you.

Focus on your process. Use the 7Sage analytics to figure out your weak points. Don't worry so much about your next proctored test. The better you do on your PTs, the better the law student you will be. This is a lot of would-ifs. Let's focus on what is ahead now.

@krishna1414409 said:

@amhawks84508 said:

Don't cancel. Schools only care about your highest score.

Doesn't it look bad on our application if we have so many attempts with low scores?

As @charitylehmann316 said, it's probably not a big deal as long as you don't have 10 cancellations. You will know going into your next proctored exam where your score range will be. I would not take the test again until you are consistently close to your target score. Even if a school asks you to write an addendum asking why you have so many scores on record, do not worry about it because you can always mention that you knew that you were capable of excelling on the test.

I know you are worried about the digital LSAT, but just wait and see to see if it is doom and gloom or a godsend.

Don't cancel. Schools only care about your highest score.

Man you've got a 99th percentile score and you want to re-do the grind and process again. If you think you can do better, go for it. But I don't know. Maybe ask during a Q & A with David the next time he does one.

I would move around answer author viewpoint questions or purpose questions first before moving on to the more time-sink questions that involve referring to specific points in the passage. As for skipping or moving around on the test, I don't recommend it because you never know what is the more difficult passage. Most of the time it is the third or fourth passage. It's better to have a better plan of attack and methodology to attack these passages than to run from them.

@akikookmt881 said:

The application process is confusing for everyone, yup. And international students statistically have a lower chance of acceptance. T_T

It's kind of a one-way trip. While it is true that you'll be able to become a proficient legal technical writer, the problem is how is the knowledge you learn applicable in other locales?

I'm currently in China, so if you guys need someone who is in an Asian timezone, feel free to add me to the group. I'll be re-doing the LSAT in June 2019 and will apply during the Fall 2019 cycle.

I'm in Chongqing, not Tokyo, so I'm in a closer time zone to you than the North American or European students.

I did the October '18 International test and after I finished it, it was like a big burden was taken off. Before in September, I didn't want to really study at all. But I needed a long vacation from the LSAT after I took it. Luckily, I've got some books to catch up on, and some Red Dead Redemption to play.

Hang in there, take a deep breath, and just remember the processes for what each question type and you'll do alright.

A 165 is -15/-17. Your average is in the high 150s to low 160s. You're missing about 25-30 questions wrong. That is a huge hurdle to overcome to get half of that correct. You're on the up and up, but it is probably not realistic to reduce that gap within two weeks. There are too many holes to patch up within that span of time.

@kingse414 said:

Don't listen to MissChandler,

With a lot of hard work, and a bit of luck on test day, almost anything is possible.

Hit those games over and over and over again.

Stay positive!

She's putting a dash of cold reality on to someone's unrealistic goals within 2 weeks. So you can post KG videos, but KG was in the league for 12 years before he won his first and only championship. He did a ton of grinding. It takes time, patience, a few resets and rebuilding to get to a level of competence. And then you find new holes or weaknesses to improve on.

@leahbeuk911 Gave you great advice. With your 171, you have a shot at NYU. A few points more, you may have a shot at others. Since you're a junior still, there isn't a rush to jump into law school especially now that you have a 171 in the bank. It's obvious that you have a knack for reasoning, so keep it in the bank, finish school, take some time for yourself before you jump into some brutal years of work.

I would retake just because I want to know if I can actually do better. But probably wait until September '19 when you can apply yourself to fixing those mistakes.

I strongly advice against it. I'd also suggest taking an extended period off between school before going to law school. Slow down before you jump into something that will be a time sink in your life for three years.

@amhawks84508 gave you solid advice. Nibble away at it for a bit, focus on your GPA, and then take some time off for yourself before you jump in.

Honestly, I've been super deflated after the exam. Like a great burden has been lifted and I wonder what I will do next in my life. Back to some NBA 2k and Red Dead Redemption. If my score sucks, we'll start the game back up again in December.

Whoa WHOA WHOA! I remember answering a thread of yours earlier and you mentioned that you were missing a lot of questions. Forget about timing right now and focus on mastery. If you can only do 15 questions in 35 minutes, but get all of the questions answered correct, then great! The first 15 questions or so are typically cookie cutter questions. So you know how to answer a cookie cutter MBT, MSS, Strengthen, Flaw, etc. Until you have a solid process, I would focus on untimed drills until you become more comfortable to incorporate timing.

Know the question type and the methods for solving the question --> Understand what the author/argument is trying to say--> Pre-phrase or anticipate an answer --> Look at the answers and select the best one.

If at any point your chain for solving an LR question is flawed or incomplete, stop, and go over the process for that particular question type.

Uh, I mean it's nice that the old webinars are on the podcast, but will there be novel content? Will it be consistently new content? I'd really enjoy it if there was a weekly podcast that was more than AMAs please.

YOU CAN RETAKE THE TEST! Just lower expectations a tad and focus on becoming a master of the test. What score you will get will not matter at this point, you're just giving yourself headaches. Focus on being a master at strengthening questions. Then master Must be Trues. Keep doing it until you can teach others. Then you'll be ready.

These questions could represent a lack of knowledge on the process. That process is knowing how to select the right answer with confidence, or knowing how to eliminate 4 wrong answers with confidence. Many of the difficult questions on the test may require you to do one or the other.

Furthermore, if you can, review the question from JY and see how he describes why the right answer is right and the wrong answer is wrong. If you're not satisfied, check around and see if other people can explain it in a manner that is understandable.

The Garden of Forking Paths led you down the road to the most mistakes.

Finished the test today in Hong Kong. Same as mentioned earlier with Rattlesnakes and Geese.

So you have a 158, that's very good. But if you get another 6-7 points, you can go to UCI with a significant scholarship. I suggest that you keep pushing yourself just that bit further so you can avoid the future pain of loan repayment :disappointed:.

@leahbeuk911 said:

@leahbeuk911

Hey there, my 147 Official LSAT score's break down was this:

LR 1: -10

LR 2: -12

LG: -13

RC: -14 (I have never practiced RC, I should)

I think this is a pretty accurate break down.

I think if you spend another 6 months with about 2-3 hours a day (with one day off) and one PT a week, you can cut that in half, get a 165 or so, and then you'd get a full ride or maybe an admit into a T-14 if your LSAC GPA is high enough. That's up to you though.

The test is one big cookie cutter. MBT, Strengthen, Weaken, or Flaw, it's a big machine man.

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That's ok, just write an addendum stating why you have that difference. However, do be honest. For example, don't say you were a good student when you might have been partying like some people do today :wink:. If you were partying, admit it, and show that when you were dedicated, you finished with this GPA and list if you received honors associated with it.

@jinnylimsoccer979 I disagree. The difference from a 150 to a 157 is 12 questions correct. Yeow! @leahbeuk911 need to get 3 to 4 more right per section. I think you need to use the analytics to target your weak areas and delay until you're able to hit your target score.

@slandholm678 said:

@leahbeuk911 said:

People in this thread are being extremely optimistic. If you haven't been studying and are starting right now, you're not going to get through the 7sage course. It's going to be very individual and dependent on how quickly you pick things up. Some would maybe be able to do it in that time frame, many will not.

I'm very skeptical of believing that it's now or never. I've heard people give reasons for that outlook, and, in my opinion, it's almost never really the only option. It takes minimum 3 years to get a JD, it's not like this whole thing is a quick process. And I disagree that it doesn't matter at all where you go to law school. No, not everyone needs to go to a T14. Yes, you can be a lawyer and have everything work out from regional schools. But that's different than saying it makes no difference where you attend. For you own sake, I really hope you don't go into an extreme amount of debt at a low ranked school. If this is a recent decision you made to attend law school, I very very highly advise taking more time than this to think about it, study for the LSAT, and look at all your options. A $250k education isn't something that should be taken lightly.

Please do some research at Law School Transparency Reports (lstreports.com). Check out the unemployment rates from the schools you are considering. You need more than anecdotal information before committing to a school.

Thanks for the lecture...

Not taking any of this lightly like you suggest, known since I was 7 that I've wanted to be a lawyer and took the time away from school to actually work in the field and get some experience under my belt before going through this process.

Yes, I understand the employment rates, but thanks for the info anyway.

Reason it's now or never is personal and don't need to explain it to you.

Guess it's hard to quote people who are light-heartedly joking that it doesn't matter where you go, because of course it does. I'm not going to settle for a barely accredited ABA school, but I'm also not putting unattainable expectations in my mind by thinking I'll go to Harvard.

Reason I put this discussion up was to get actual ADVICE from people NOT to be judged.

First piece of advice, be nice to @leahbeuk911 because she is one of the most helpful people on this forum.

Second piece of advice, 136 means you flat out don't get the test, how arguments are made, how the logic games are constructed, and you're missing the reasoning structure needed for the comprehension section. Bottom line, if you get into a law school with a 136, you're going to drown in debt with nothing to show for it job wise. You flat out need to re-wire your brain and that will take more than 6 weeks. It may take a year, it may take longer. So this now or never crap you're spewing is your crap to tell yourself, but no need to be glib to her. We all want what is best for YOU! We're not sugar coating anything. It takes hard work and devotion to what is a monastic profession.

Furthermore, you don't need to go to Harvard to be a successful lawyer or to be a lawyer. You can go to Loyola LA and still be an amazing lawyer. But you're going to have to cut yourself some slack, be honest with yourself which means you need to cut the BS, and be patient with a difficult process that in the end will make you a better law student.