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I'm at a point with Logic Games where I can consistently get -0 in 30 minutes, but I acknowledge a significant reason for this is that I've done every game at least twice -- the ones that gave me particular trouble, many more times.
I want to stay sharp on the section as I gear up to retake in September, but I also don't want to be blind-sighted on test day, when I will be faced with a new set of logic games for the first time in over 3 months.
So -- is anyone else in the same boat? Would anyone recommend a testing prep company that writes their own logic games instead of using LSAC official ones? For LR or RC, I'd be very skeptical about using questions not asked on the actual exam, but given the nature of LG, I think the benefits outweigh the cost, as I'd be supplementing the made-up games with real sets.
This is clearly not a technical problem -- I didn't know what category would be best :D
Very small and perhaps ridiculous suggestion: in my opinion, forums are way more easily navigated when the number of posts per page is limited. I feel like 10-15 posts per page makes it so much easier to find certain comments / scroll to read new ones. Am I crazy?? I might be crazy.
Also I'll add a technical problem -- is anyone else unable to attach polls? When I hit "Attach Poll" I get the edit screen but literally no option to put a poll anywhere.
Hi there,
Is every RC passage from PTs 1-35 used in the curriculum's problem sets? I am trying to get every bit of RC practice I can, and would love to know if anyone knows of certain passages in particular that weren't pulled for the curriculum. I've done the problem sets twice over and am looking for unused material (I've also already done every RC passage since 35 already).
Winter is coming. And so are LSAT scores.
LSAC often gets them back before their expected release date, and given that the day before is a holiday, I wouldn't be surprised if we got those infamous emails from LSAC sometime this week. My bet is Friday. The night is dark and full of terrors! What is dead may never die. Unbowed, unbent, unbroken.
The first few nights after sitting for the LSAT, I dreamed of having absolutely bombed the exam. But my dreams more recently have been even worse. These days I dream that I got a super high score (last night a 179) and then as I start telling my family, I say to myself..."or did I dream that score last night?" Then I realize I didn't actually get my score back yet and I wake up in a panic. Has this happened to anyone else?
btm15767
Friday, Sep 15 2017
Winterfell
JK Furman
10/10
Genuinely could not have been a better environment. The entire group of test-takers was split into three subgroups (sounds like the start of a logic game). I can't speak to the conditions in the other room, but I assume logistically they were all the same.
Proctors: My room had two proctors. We got started right on time. They were professional, competent, and kind. They had a calming presence, which was much appreciated. One proctor kept time, the other handed out and collected materials. The timing was done perfectly -- consistent 5-minute warnings, and she used a silent digital timer, so I had no worry that we were being shortchanged on the timing.
Facilities: Bathrooms next door. AC was on but not excessive. Lighting was good. There was a clock in the room -- I used an analog watch with a bezel (makes tracking time much easier). There was a water fountain along with vending machines that you are able to access before the exam. My room also had access during the break -- not sure if others did as well.
What kind of room: Typical classroom. Fit 20 or so test takers very comfortably.
Desks: Full desks. Plenty big enough. I practiced using a huge desk and noticed no difference. Not those flimsy retractable chair desks.
Left-handed accommodation: Unclear
Noise levels: I have this theory of social settings that there perpetually exists one person who keeps any given environment from being perfect (e.g. the one person who talks at the movie theater, the one person at the library who talks on the phone during finals week, the one person who coughs throughout an exam (not that I blame them -- but they always exist)). This time...perfect silence. So silent, in fact, at times I felt awkward underlining because I worried it might distract people around me.
Parking: There's a roundabout when you pull into the university. Go into it and take the last right before the exit. You'll see signs. Parking is to the left, and the test is in a building to the right. It's less than a 5 minute walk.
Time elapsed from arrival to test: We get started right away. They split us into three groups at 12:30, and then we started filling out the logistical ovals around 12:35. Think we started Section 1 around 1.
Irregularities or mishaps: 0
Would you take the test here again? I hope I don't have to, but absolutely.
Date[s] of Exam[s]: June 12, 2017
The ticket says "No later than 8:30am." Do people tend to arrive much earlier than then?
btm15767
Thursday, Sep 14 2017
I've gotta go with:
LG
LG
LG
LG
Experimental LG
Writing prompt
...
jk
but really,
LR (most flexibility with time -- not as crunched as with RC, and even with major time mistakes, the consequence isn't failing to even attempt multiple questions at the end as is the case for LG, so LR at the beginning gives a nice buffer to warm up a little)
RC (just get it over with, now that we're warmed up)
LG (fun -- when it starts, the break has essentially already started)
~break~
LR (same reason as before)
Experimental LG (also the harder of the two ideally)
Writing
:O :O :O
rip
By the wrath of the old gods and the new, they actually did it. Little did I expect when I woke up yesterday to be most psychologically traumatized not by Reading Comp or Logic Games, but by the blasted writing sample.
Using the writing sample to have us write about whether a brother of the Night's Watch should be allowed to renege on his vows -- a sick, treacherous ploy by those above us to erode our confidence in the protective blanket the Watch provides the realm.
Mark my words my brothers and sisters, there is a darkness in this world, more cold and tormenting than even the four-hour exam by the name of LSAT. Winter is coming, with or without the Watch. Without the brothers on the Wall, however, along with Winter so too will come an unending shadow, shrouding our hearts in unspeakable darkness.
To those who argued that oath-breakers should be forgiven (or, gods forbid, encouraged), may the Seven protect you from what is yet to come, and may I remind you of the words that each brother of the Watch swears, with both men and gods as his witness:
"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children, discuss any specifics about the June 2017 LSAT. I shall wear no digital watches and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the #2 non-mechanical pencil in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this exam and all the exams to come."
Did you argue against the Watch? I welcome any traitors to out themselves below.
Sat for the exam yesterday. It went pretty well, but you never know with these things. Do people generally register for the September exam and then just withdraw if they get the score they were aiming for? Will the testing centers probably fill up by the time we get our scores back? If I sign up now and then withdraw, do I get a refund / will it show up on my LSAC report?
Thanks!
btm15767
Thursday, Oct 12 2017
@ said:
Congratulations!! I remember seeing your post about your June writing sample--shame you won't be applying with that one :wink: Do you have any takeaways on how you mentally approached the second test day?
Haha -- if you showed someone my first and second writing samples and told them one went with a 174 and one with a 165, you'd never guess correctly which went with which.
My second day, I went in with a much calmer attitude. I had personally accepted that if a 165 was my peak, then that was my peak. It is a good score to begin with, and a solid worst-case scenario. In September, it felt like just another practice test, whereas in June I felt on edge the entire time. I went in knowing that no matter what happened, I would not take the test again. Somehow that relaxed me. Wish I had a golden bullet on this -- but I definitely empathize with anyone who has anxiety issues during the day of.
Nothing prepared me for the disappointment I felt when I opened my LSAT email from June. I had been feeling confident about the test and thought I would at least hit 170. I am a splitter applicant; I've always known that to be competitive I needed a stellar LSAT score. After a lot of studying (and a lot of dollars spent on the Ultimate package on 7Sage), I had managed to get my PT average to 171. My score came back 6 points lower, lower than any of my previous 15 practice tests. I realized then that a 165 is an objectively great score, but I was disappointed nonetheless.
I imagine there are many people here who feel the same. We set goals, we come up short, and deep down we know we can do better. I felt dejected. A huge part of me wanted to just call it a day and never take an LSAT prep-test again. But ultimately I pushed forward, took a few more practice tests, re-took some of the recent ones, and gave it one more shot in September. When I got my score yesterday (a 174), I literally fell out of my seat. I closed and re-opened the email 5 different times to make sure I hadn't misplaced the 7 and 4 in my head. I refreshed the page for the next hour, just waiting for LSAC to send a "We meant to send that to someone else..." I woke up panting from a nightmare last night that it had all been a dream.
Now I look back and I consider myself lucky to have scored 6 points below my average and not, say, 4, because any higher a score and I likely would've settled and said goodbye to the LSAT once and for all. In a way, thanks to scoring 6 points below my average, I had the chance to come back with a vengeance and score 3 points above.
The crazy thing about both of these tests: I left feeling just as confident (and unconfident) after each. The fact is sometimes a test plays to your strengths (and you get lucky), and sometimes a test screws you like a power tool.
Whether your goal is 170 or 150, if you feel like your September score does not demonstrate your potential, hold your head up high. You are not alone!
This exam is beatable. Most likely, the next one won't have judges with quite as high a degree of candor.
You can always take it again, and you can always do better.
Winter is coming, but winter will pass (hopefully; Game of Thrones S8 hasn't been released yet, so I can't say for sure).
SN: Thank you to 7Sage for all the help throughout this process. You guys easily offer the best course on the market. Eternally grateful, and plan to pass it forward to others in the future.
btm15767
Tuesday, Sep 12 2017
Walking around is a particularly ridiculous proctor strategy for the LSAT because the order of the sections varies from desk to desk. Even if test-takers were going to attempt cheating by glancing at another student's answers -- and was successful in doing so without being noticed -- they would have about an 80% chance of bubbling in the wrong answers entirely.
btm15767
Sunday, Sep 10 2017
This question absolutely destroyed me on test day. Was paralyzed by it on the first read. Then skipped. Came back and wasted all my leftover time (about 5 minutes) going over it again and again. The meaning of the word "dissolved" is what threw me. Thanks for this explanation.
Recently took PTs A, B, and C2 (3 of the 4 released February exams that I know of). Scored in the high 170s on all three, each at least 6 points higher than my average across all of the other tests. In June I scored in the high 160s. I realize these three tests constitute a small sample size, but to have such a significant jump -- and so consistent a jump at that -- makes me extremely skeptical. Do February exams have easier curves, with people who wait until the last second to take the exam? That's my best guess at this point...
Anyone else notice the same with their scores?
I retook the RC from the June exam yesterday, and still missed 5 (on the actual exam I missed 7, wrecking my score). I've got to say, I am very confused about some of these questions, even upon review and under untimed conditions. Fair to say it's one of the hardest RC sections of all time? I had 2 RC sections on test day, and the experimental one was SO MUCH EASIER.
Is anyone who took the June exam willing to go back and forth about some of these questions?
btm15767
Friday, Sep 08 2017
Praise be.
May the Lord open.
Winter is coming.
Just finished rough drafts for my DS and PS and would love to exchange essays for edits with anyone who is interested! :)
btm15767
Friday, Sep 08 2017
I've got to call out C here. There are two stipulations, any one of which certainly failing would warrant a correct answer:
1) the government must ENSURE its citizens will have majority ownership for a year
2) highest bid possible
C is definitely iffy about #2, not enough for it to be the right answer, but it unequivocally denies the first condition. "so complex that the government cannot determine whether citizens have majority ownership." How does this not explicitly reject the requirement that the government ENSURES its citizens will have majority ownership?
As I read it, only part of the condition is that its citizens actually do have majority ownership. The more direct read is that the government has to ensure this before going into an agreement. There are tons of situations in which citizens might end up with majority ownership without the government ensuring so beforehand. The condition is meant to prevent cases of government's ignorance leading to a bad outcome.
I chose C and still have trouble considering E to be a better answer.
btm15767
Wednesday, Sep 06 2017
@ said:
So, I can't catch a break with this test.
I was finally really starting to make progress and then a hurricane decided to blow in to town. If anyone hasn't gathered yet, I live in Florida. While it's not suppose to land until next week (Monday) the whole state is in chaos. I saw two women get in to a full out fight over a case of gatorade. Moral of the story here is - i'm not going to get any studying done between now and the exam. I genuinely did not want to have to wait till December. Any Harvey people have some input? I would really appreciate it. Should I postpone? What do you think LSAC will do?
Much love, send water.
Victoria
Edit: I'm located in Northern Florida for the most part, but if this thing bounces in to the gulf I will be a direct hit. If this thing bounces up the coast, then my family will be a direct hit and I will be rushing to the coast to help evacuate starting Thursday. I'm assuming my testing center won't be majorly effected though.
Hello Sansa, hope you are doing well! Send a raven from time to time.
Make safety your #1 priority. I am not sure LSAC has finalized plans for Houston test-takers, but they have made it clear that they plan to accommodate them. I am sure they will do the same for Florida test-takers. If you feel you are ready to take the exam (which you should 1.5 weeks out), then I would advise going ahead and taking it in September (or whenever LSAC reschedules it for you). While the chaos will probably keep you from taking full practice tests, you will probably have time to do individual sets to keep you sharp. If you do not feel ready at this point, perhaps you should push to December.
I would imagine the added stress of the hurricane (if it hits) could also merit a brief addendum if your score comes back a few points lower than expected.
Stay safe!!
I'm a bit bummed -- scored 2 points higher than where I was averaging my first few practice tests and 6 points under my average across my most recent 20 (in fact, the lowest of those by far). While it's a good score, after spending 3 months studying full time and $1000 on the course and study materials, a 2 point increase makes me nauseous to say the least. A big part of my score was RC, missed 7 right off the bat.
With my GPA, I don't have a shot at T-14 schools, so now I'm weighing my options. I could retake in September, but I feel like I've expended my study options. I used the Ultimate 7Sage pack, did most drills, completed the Core Curriculum, and did all of the PTs. I could study by retaking practice tests, but I worry it would not be very useful to do so, especially because I went over the questions I missed over and over again. I realize this score was a fluke compared to my trends, but I am not sure how I can keep my average up through September without new questions to work from.
Is it worth retaking? Part of me feels like it'll just be a waste of time and effort. Advice appreciated!
btm15767
Tuesday, Sep 05 2017
WATCH OUT FOR 81 IT'S A KILLER
btm15767
Tuesday, Sep 05 2017
Wow. Petition to start a petition to get JY to do another AMA. Five years later, I bet that AMA would blow up.
btm15767
Monday, Sep 04 2017
It helps me to assume that the questions / sections I abnormally struggled with will be questions / sections most other testtakers struggle with as well. And I hope beyond hope that this difficulty will be represented in a better curve.
btm15767
Monday, Sep 04 2017
Some great pointers here. I suffer from the same whenever I have a rough section (happened to me with RC when I sat in June). I also struggle when I come across a few tough questions in the first 10 on any of the sections. 90% of the time the first 10 questions are a breeze in LG and LR, so when I come across those sections where I have to circle 2-3 of those 10, I feel my performance slipping.
btm15767
Monday, Sep 04 2017
I am flat-out shocked #1 has the "Easiest" difficulty rating :O
Went -1 in this section, and spent a solid 3 minutes with time left over at the end reading over C and E again and again. It just seems to me that the focus is much more on Native Americans in particular than the generic "cultures with different systems of discourse can have issues." The latter is mentioned exclusively in P1 as far as I can remember.
E seems to me to better nail it, though I grant it lists only "precedent" and not "evaluations of evidence" when the passage listed both distinctly. I rationalized this in my head because the way courts process evidence is itself an example of following precedent.
btm15767
Sunday, Sep 03 2017
@ said:
That happens - I've received a few that way. More often though, I emailed the schools directly. I gave them my LSAT score + GPA and just asked for a fee waiver based on those scores. Some said "sure," some said "you don't qualify." Most said "ask us again in September, once we start accepting applications for 18-19"
Who do you email? A law school admissions officer from each school, or is there some central admissions-related email address for each?
btm15767
Sunday, Sep 03 2017
Also, you've made me as paranoid about that LG section as I am about the army of the Dead North of the Wall...
btm15767
Sunday, Sep 03 2017
@ said:
I do not think they come with the 7Sage Ultimate+. I actually believe Feb97 is the hardest test to get ahold of: because (those who know more can correct me here) I do not think it was released by LSAC in the form of a "10 actual" set or individually. I got Feb 1997 test from a friend who passed it down to me as a donation when he was done studying. It was in the form of textbook from another test prep company.
As an aside, I find it odd that that exam is so hard to get ahold of, there is a game in that set that is not only very challenging, but is precisely something that would appear as an odd game on the newer exams. Furthermore, Feb 1997 also contains in my estimation an early prototype of the rule substitution questions that we all know from the new sets. Feb 1997 is an excellent exam if you can get ahold of it to tell you precisely where you would be on modern day set containing an odd game.
Preptests A,B,C were released as a set by LSAC with answers to each question: well worth the $20 or so on Amazon. PT C is the single hardest LG set of all time in my estimation: a true test of one's abilities.
Thank you -- that is incredibly helpful! Found the SuperPrep book that has A, B, and C, along with explanations for all of them. Coming in the mail in two days.
Just to clarify -- all of those questions (LR, RC, & LG) are untouched by the Core Curriculum? This is like hitting a goldmine!
btm15767
Sunday, Sep 03 2017
SN: Are questions from these tests included in the Core Curriculum?
Hi there,
I've finished all the prep-tests (35-81) but still want to try out some timed sections with questions I've had no exposure to. I just found these random Preptests in the Analytics list, but am not sure how to access them. Do they come with the Ultimate package?
btm15767
Sunday, Sep 03 2017
This is a lot, but since you asked (others feel free to correct me, this is me spitballing from a Stats class I took a few years back):
When A and B are positively (or negatively, but let's stick with positively) correlated, there are four possibilities:
A causes B
B causes A
Outside force C causes A or B or both (or multiple outside forces do)
Random occurrence
The crux of the common fallacy occurs because people are prone to inferring a cause from a correlation alone, without outside information. To correctly infer a cause from a correlation between two things A and B necessitates identifying the following:
A and B are correlated to a statistically significant degree
This relationship between A and B recurs throughout nature (which would indicate that an outside force C doesn't cause one or the other, or the relationship between the two)
A precedes B (or B precedes A) -- on a deeper level, typically this temporal distance should be predictable based on other factors in the environment if there is actual causation
It is only possible to infer the above through repeated interactions with a phenomenon in nature or through extensive experimentation. Obviously, the bar is pretty high, and rightfully so. For the sake of the LSAT, I don't think I've come across a question in which an arguer has correctly assumed causation, which is why the flaw is so cookie-cutter.
btm15767
Saturday, Sep 02 2017
With 27, I think B is very strongly supported. The intro paragraph lists courtroom examination as one of a sequence of situations in which leading questions are asked, and it explicitly lists the others (police investigators, reporters) as people with whom the witness "has already interacted."
In paragraph 3, the author contends that the further removed from the event temporally, the more prone he is to making errors with leading questions.
Together, there is strong support for answer choice B. I understand why D is right, but don't see how B is wrong.
btm15767
Saturday, Sep 02 2017
So do you suggest I go with present tense even if that doesn't make the resume "consistent"?
Thanks!
100 percent. Consistency is hugely important, but not at the expense of correctness. Think of the dates you put next to each of your job experiences. All of them use months, except for (probably) your current position, with which you replace the end month's name with the word "Present" (i.e. March - Present). That is not, strictly speaking, consistent, but it is both commonly understood by résumé readers and more correct than the alternative.
btm15767
Friday, Sep 01 2017
@ said:
Hi Jon
There's only one test that matters, and that test is here. The Great Test. Winter has come.
btm15767
Friday, Sep 01 2017
Thanks for the replies everyone! Noted.
btm15767
Friday, Sep 01 2017
@ said:
Hi
should I use past or present tense to describe my current job in resume?
It depends. Anything that has been completed should be in past tense. Anything that is ongoing as a recurring part of your job description should be in present tense.
Examples:
"Organized, recruited for, and ran the 35th annual [Insert Conference] with a record-250 attendees"
vs.
"Organize daily phone banks and canvasses for teams of volunteers and fellows"
Keep in mind that you list the dates of each of your professional experiences. If your most recent experience lists "April - Present," then the reader will know that you are in that role currently. This understanding conflicts with the past tense, unless you are referring to one-time events within that role.
Hi everyone,
I sat for the LSAT in June and scored well but also 6 points below my average from the previous 15 practice tests I had taken, so I am registered to re-take in two weeks. That said, I realize I will not get my score back until mid-October. My application is almost good to go. I plan to edit my essays a few more times, and my recommendation letters will hopefully be in by the start of October. Given the rolling nature of admissions, is there any difference between how my application would be received mid-September or early-October compared to mid-October?
24 gave me a lot of trouble, both the first time I did this section and upon a retake. I'd like to add a bit to what makes answer choice B the best of the five.
"Much the same way" semantically reminds me of the way the LSAT uses the word "Some." In a colloquial context, "much the same way" would imply "nearly identical" similarly to how "Some" would imply "a handful." In terms of the LSAT, as J.Y. hints at in the video, "Much the same way" can suggest anything from "Bears some similarity" to "Highly similar," just as "Some" can refer to anything with a count of one or higher.
In this light, it is hard if not impossible to discount answer choice B. Clearly there are parallels between personal finance risks and international conflict risks -- otherwise the author would not have spent so much time talking about the former to illuminate the latter. The comparison is flawed, but there in part.