Yeah I don’t know the medians in Ontario as well only remember generally being in the 160’s. Some high 160’s right? As someone who applied to 8 schools across Canada, no ontario schools FWIW, last year and got rejected from all 8 (I applied to both Alberta schools, Sask, UofM Dal, UNB Vic). I had a 154 and a 3.75 with 3.85 last 2 years on a 4.0 scale. I’d agree with Crystal00 154 is a long shot at most programs and you be best served preparing for January if your PT average is in the 160s. If not I’d wait for next cycle and be ready to get a 160+ next August/September and applying at the best time right when the cycle opens. Best of luck!
Don't give up TR1487! There are so many similarities between your situation and mine, diagnostic for me was a 145, and I also don't like my job and want to find a more stimulating career. I have been studying for 2 years now, last November 2021 I got an official 154 score and was rejected from all 8 schools I applied to. That was extremely discouraging as my goal score was 160-165 and I didn't want to wait another year to apply. This October I got an official 160 and then just this morning got my November score back for a 163. DO NOT GIVE UP if this is what you want to do. I know it can be hard seeing people make progress more quickly than you, or those lucky enough like the above poster, to have a diagnostic at the level of our goal scores. Its a different path for all of us, so try not to let that influence your thinking. Your 155 and high blind review score is a sign that you have a solid handle of the fundamental content. Without knowing more about you, the first thing I would look at to close that gap between timed and BR score is your timing/skipping strategies. That is one of the biggest factors in closing that gap, unless you already finish every section with time left over I would work on trying to improve your timing. The next thing I would focus on is perfecting games, getting to be -1, 0 wrong consistently will be some of the lower hanging fruit for you to focus on.
You can make quite a bit of progress in 6 months and I don't think you are being unrealistic in targeting a 160+ in that timeframe.
Try looking for a study buddy/group maybe with a couple scorers in your goal range, they could have useful tips for you. And lastly if you can afford even a couple sessions with a tutor they will really be able to drill down on strategies for timing, improving understanding of content etc. Even if you only do the free 7sage consultation you should be able to get valuable feedback about what a tutor would work to address with you.
I wish you the best in getting your goal score so you can get into law school and level up your career. DM me if there's anything I can do, questions you might have, or if you wanna run through your study plan to get some feedback.
You got this!
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Yes there is. Before your 1st official attempt I would suggest logging into LSAC and they have a section where you can attempt a PT. The PT interface LSAC has is basically the exact same as what you see on test day. 7sage’s layout is very similar but what you see within LSACs PT format is exactly what you see on test day so there is no shocks. Hopefully that helps!
Thank you that's pretty helpful!
No problem, good luck with the test!
Hi Juliet,
Thank you for your reply. No, I didn't create a Problem Set I just did the practice LR full section that is part of the core curriculum. It is called "Single LR Section" and it is in the Core curriculum following the Point of Issue Problem Sets. If I was able to take a screen capture of the red square box for that LR section (like you have shown above) and post it here, you would see the reverse order from what you have posted. Mine were listed from 26-1 and that is how the questions were ordered when I took the full section.
I am guessing that it was a mistake or a bug, hopefully that explains the issue. Cheers!
Hi Blank20202021, it’s hard to say what you should do without more info on where you’re starting from. I’d probably recommend that you complete a full Practice Test(PT) under timed conditions and see what your score is. If you are within a point or two of your goal score for the school(s) you want to get into then I wouldn’t panic, I’d just drill and complete PTs until test day. Typically you’re going to score right around (or a couple points lower) than your timed PT score average on a real LSAT as long as you simulate real test conditions for your PTs.
If you’re not scoring close to your goal score then I think most LSAT experts(which I’m not claiming to be, but have read lots of their posts) would recommend rescheduling the test for August/September or later if you need more time to prepare. No point rushing it and using one of the limited number of takes you have if you aren’t in the score band you want to be in going into the test.
Hopefully that helps!
I did the full length section of LR from PT 65 that is part of the core curriculum. (After you finish all the LR lessons). But the questions were given to me in reverse order from 26,25,24...3,2,1 not 1-26. So the hardest questions were skewed towards to the front of the test and not the latter part of the test like a normal LR section. Does anyone know if this is on purpose or what the reasoning is for that? #HELP
Thanks for your input Samanthaamoto07-1! Definitely burnt myself out, but that’s a great point to focus on quality vs quantity to limit that.
I’m sorry to hear that Matt.hip595, I know the feeling. Stick with it, you got it!
Yes there is. Before your 1st official attempt I would suggest logging into LSAC and they have a section where you can attempt a PT. The PT interface LSAC has is basically the exact same as what you see on test day. 7sage’s layout is very similar but what you see within LSACs PT format is exactly what you see on test day so there is no shocks. Hopefully that helps!
-1/0 would be a amazing, I'll shoot for that. Thank you for your advice!
That is also what I was thinking and attempted as a short term strategy before my last attempt. I think that’s sound advice, to try to get my LG to -5 or better.
I was getting 154-156 timed, haven’t written one in a few months. Blind reviews in the 162-167 range.
It’s nice to hear from someone in a similar position. If I can ask PapaPetrovitch, have you determined your strategy once you get back into studying? Are you going to go back to the CC or just jump into problems sets and PT’s?
Good luck to you too!
Thank you both for those ideas. I appreciate you taking the time to read my story and give your advice :)
Hello 7Sage Community,
I am returning to 7Sage with a heavy heart after an unsuccessful attempt at the 2022 admission cycle up here in Canada. I did not meet my goal for the LSAT of scoring a 160+ and only achieved a 155 on the January 2022 exam. Unfortunately my LSAT score along with my ok GPA (3.75) was not enough to get into 5/8 schools I applied for. I am on the wait list for 1 school (unlikely to be offered a spot based on my position on the list) and waiting to hear from the last 2. I am not hopeful based on the fact that I haven't heard anything by the middle of May from those 2 schools and starting to come to terms with the fact that I need to start preparing again for the 2023 cycle. I had stopped studying since the January exam and was hoping I wouldn't have to return to it... but here we are.
My Study Journey:
My first cold PT before studying was a 149 and after 500-600 hours of study across about 5 months I only improved to a 155. I completed the 7Sage core curriculum and then began taking full PT's under timed conditions, followed by blind review. My best section is LR where I have gotten as high as -6 with an average of -8. My next best section is RC where I have gotten as high as -6 with an average of -10. My worst section is LG (I was awful to start), I am a very visual person and struggle under the time constraints. My best score in an LG section is -9 and my average is -13. I was focusing especially hard on LG in the last month prior to Jan 2022 exam and have completed almost every game in PT's 1-35 between 2-4 times as well as some games in the later exams. I almost got to the point of enjoying the games, much more so then when I first started studying. I am not quite to the level of enjoying them and still fear this section the most, however my understanding is that this is where most people can make the largest score improvement. I am hopeful that a decent improvement is still possible for my LG score in particular.
My 2 main questions after that long winded opening are:
What is the best way to get back into studying again? Would people recommend running through the full core curriculum again, or focus on weak areas? Or jump back into problem sets and then full PT's?
Are there any low-cost/free tutoring services that anyone is aware of? I have done some googling but only found courses (similar to 7Sages's) charging hundreds per hour or thousands for a package which is really tough/impossible to swing for me financially at the moment. Not sure if anyone has any good resources/ideas or if a study group is the next best option without further overloading my credit card lol.
My goal is still to score over 160 so I would really appreciate any insights that people have regarding my situation and how to add at least 5 points to my score. I have always found the 7Sage community to be very helpful and would love to hear any advice that people might have.
Thanks in Advance!
Hi there, please let me know if room opens up in the group.
Cheers!
I would say no. It never hurts to be comfortable with the subject matter beforehand. But you can apply the exact same skills no matter what the topic is. If you read to understand how each sentence interacts with the one prior, and what it means to the overall paragraph and passage, then you’ll have a high level of comprehension. The biggest unlock on RC for me was when I started to read each sentence and ask myself why? As in, why did the author include that sentence and does it indicate how they feel about the subject (approval/disapproval, agreement/disagreement) because that will add do your comprehension and almost certainly be the subject of a question or two. Hope that helps !
I just wanted to share a sub 170 success story for us non genius types haha.
I originally used Kahn Academy and had a 149 diagnostic, I was absolutely terrible at games… like -15. Somehow I heard about 7Sage and have been on here for over a year and a half.
I studied hard for 4 months and got 154 on Nov 202, even a with strong GPA that got me rejected from all 8 schools I applied to in Canada. That sucked ngl.
In late June 2022 I decided to use every bit of extra cash I had, and some frankly I didn’t have(shout out Visa lol) and put off any extra spending on vacations, sporting events, etc. to get sessions with a 7Sage tutor. This frankly made a huge difference in my ability to hone in on strong study habits and motivated me when I was struggling to find it within myself. I can’t recommend James Marmaduke with 7Sage enough, he gave me drills, a plan, and realistic feedback on my goals. I wanted to hit at least 160, preferably somewhere in the low to mid 160 range.
On October 2022 I scored a 160 which I was happy with. But I knew I could do a bit better based on my PTs and that my 160 would be borderline to get accepted to my first choice schools I am applying to with 163-164 Medians.
I took November’s exam and got a 163 which I am ecstatic about! It’s take a long time but I’m stoked to go from a 149 diagnostic to a 163.
I hope everyone got the scores they were looking for yesterday and best of luck to all the 7Sage ppl applying this cycle. This has been a great resource and a big part of that is the community. Hopefully someone in the 140s reads this and is inspired.
Cheers!
IMO the best way to understand why E is wrong is to understand the conclusion is about it being a bad idea to get a checkup unless you are sick. If we remember that conclusion and then look at E we can accept E as true but it doesn't make the passage any better support the conclusion. If as E says, doctors can ask questions to make it so you don't get unnecessary tests, how does that support the conclusion which is that we shouldn't get a checkup unless you are sick? The answer is that it does not support it, even accepting E as true, we don't get stronger support from the passage to the conclusion. It simply tells us that doctors can help to eliminate unnecessary tests through questioning a patient, not why healthy people shouldn't go for checkups.
B provides the support for conclusion based on the passage by saying that if you get those unnecessary tests you could actually become sick when you were not sick before. B connects the passage to the conclusion by telling us why it is a bad idea to get a checkup when we are healthy, its because we might become sick from those unnecessary tests at the checkup.
I hope that makes sense, but I would say the important thing to focus on for a strengthening question like this is that you need to remember what the premise(s) and the conclusion are. From there you can relate the answer choices to see if it provides strength/support for the argument.