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chelseatrudgeon392
Monday, Sep 30 2019

I also live in Minneapolis so I am familiar with how people view Mitchell Hamline, St Thomas, and the U. I went to undergrad at the U and have met with the pre law adivsor many times. Based on what she has said and what I know from the Minnesota market, LONG TERM your experience matters more so than your school. School obviously helps with getting jobs right after getting your JD and can help with experience and top paying jobs but 30 years from now experience would matter more. Given what you say, and the fact that both Mitchell Hamline and St. Thomas have good reputations here in Minnesota, I wouldn't think ranking matters. I would use https://www.lstreports.com to help compare employment outcomes, etc. Good luck!

Do yo time yourself when doing the problem sets in the CC? And do you throughly BR the problem sets?

I am already familiar with the LSAT as I've taken it before but I'm trying to go through the CC as if I know nothing. As of right now I've been doing the problem sets untimed and instead of BR after, for each question in the set I say or circle why the AC is wrong and why the answer choice is right. So I sort of do a quick BR while doing the questions untimed if that makes sense. Since I am familiar with the test already the problem sets I have done (I've only gone through two) have been the easiest ones so BR just seemed pointless as I was 100% confident in the answer choices. But...I also wasn't timing myself. Since I'm not too far along if I'm doing this completely wrong I want to change my ways now versus later!

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chelseatrudgeon392
Sunday, Oct 27 2019

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Heyyyy that's amazing! I'm taking the November test and want to start on PS right after taking my LSAT. Do you think it's too late to start in late November? I know that of course the soon the better, but i really want a strong LSAT score first. How long did it take you to finish your PS? How many rounds of back and forth, if I may ask? Thanks!

I would start now if possible!! It took about a month. I had a rough draft done (super rough draft lol) before we started and sent it in but decided to change topics after we finished editing that one almost completely. For both papers combined it took a month total. I would say about 5-7 rounds of back and fourth for each paper. I should mention that I am a substitute at a school so it is easy for me to choose when I want to work or not and so I usually replied back to her right away. 7Sage says they get back to you within 48 hours so I planned for that as well. Since it’s getting so close to the LSAT I’d say it’s safe to start working on your paper considering it would be hard (not impossible!) to see a giant leap in score within a couple weeks. So maybe study the way you are and then within your breaks work on your paper! It’s not extremely hard or anything just time consuming! Good luck with everything :)

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Sunday, Oct 27 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

7Sage Personal Statement Editing Review

Wow! Thank you 7Sage! I used their unlimited personal statement editing (the second most expensive one) and was blown away. Shamala was my editor and she was extremely helpful. She sent intense outlines and critics and helped guide and perfect my paper. When she thought my paper was going more in the direction of a diversity statement, she helped me start from scratch and was patient and understanding. I felt supported every step of the way. I would definitely recommend their services! I considered myself a pretty strong essay writer but this exceeded my expectations and made me confident in my applications. I had to save up for the service but it was 100% worth it! I would say if you can afford it even go for the most expensive option! I’d be willing to answer any questions anybody has to the best of my ability :)

Some background information first: I took the LSAT in November and received a 155. I had been studying on my own for 6+ months and with a tutor for two of those months. My PT's then were averaging 157 but I did not follow the same BR method as 7Sage. My goal LSAT score at the time was a 164 or higher (although then I didn't think either was possible).

Now...

On the diagnostic PT I received an actual score of 159 and a BR score of 164. This is how my sections on the actual played out:

LG- 96%, 22/23

LR1- 72%, 18/25

LR2- 80%, 20/25

RC- 63%, 17/27

Given this score, I feel like I could really improve to even a 170 if I really put my mind to it (I hope I'm not being overly optimistic).

Obviously, RC and LR are my weakness. The harder questions, usually Q's 17+, are also consistently wrong. I am still planning on completing the CC but I want any and all tips, opinions, study schedule, advice, etc.on how to move forward with my studies to really maximize my score.

When BR do you BR every question or just the ones you circled? Also, when writing out each Q do you also write an explanation of the mistake you made the first time so not to make it again?

Any tips for while studying/going through the CC? Should I have review days or anything of the sort?

How can I get these harder Q's right on the first time?

Any and all tips are appreciated!! So happy I found 7Sage and this community! Thanks.

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Tuesday, Sep 24 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

Honors Essays for Schools

Schools that have honor programs that you can apply for do these hurt your application at all? For instance, scholarship consideration if you don't get in? Also, can you still get full tuition if you don't apply for these programs (given that your GPA and grades are right)?

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chelseatrudgeon392
Monday, Jan 21 2019

@ said:

No need to worry at all!

It actually doesn't seem odd that your BR and actual scores are similar, since you have not yet watched/read explanations for the questions you struggled with.

As much as the BR process is about letting yourself accurately apply the logic you learned with unlimited time, it is also the time to re-adjust your thinking by watching J.Y.'s explanations or reading expert explanations on various LSAT forums.

The BR process is a continual cycle of throwing away illogical thinking and replacing that with good thinking. That process usually requires outside feedback. Of course, it is always recommended to try your best solving questions on your own first, before consulting outside help. After doing many, many BR's you will see improvement in your BR accuracy.

First, you should thoroughly go through the CC, before taking full-timed PT's.

Thank you!! This makes me feel a lot better. I’ll trust the process and keep going!

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Monday, Jan 21 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

Not a lot of improvement on LR section after BR

This was my first BR using 7Sage's method on the June 2007 test. I haven't BR the other sections yet but my BR score on LR wasn't that much of an improvement compared to my timed score. On my first section timed my score was 18/25 and after BR it was 20/25 and my second session my scores stayed the same with 20/25 on both the timed and the BR section.

Should I be worried that my score increase hasn't improved that much after BR? I'm worried since the BR is supposed to show how much your score could improve.

I still have yet to get through the CC as I'm just on the first diagnostic PT but I have already taken the LSAT before and received a 155. I'm just worried that I didn't see improvement after this BR. I also followed the method closely and for each question that I circled (which was almost all of them) I wrote out an explanation for the stem/stimulus and then using a blank PT wrote why each AC was wrong or right.

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chelseatrudgeon392
Wednesday, Feb 20 2019

I also thought of the underlying principle as possessing a 'physical' quality (something that is apart of yourself) and then never utilizing that quality. This lead me to the right answer choice right away

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Wednesday, Feb 20 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

Should I upgrade to Ultimate+?

I'm wondering if I should upgrade to Ultimate+. Here's my dilemma:

I have PDF's of each question type (with questions from PT 1-35) and they're arranged by difficulty from a previous tutor which is super convenient. The only thing is that I find it extremely helpful to be able to go back and watch J.Y's videos after BR or if I'm having difficulty with a question. Also, I find it hard to organize/make my own 'problem sets'. I feel like I just have multiple running lists of problem types I should be doing with different difficulties but have trouble keeping track of them. I should also mention that I have every PT from 39+ available as well for when I start PTing.

Is it worth it to spend the extra money to upgrade to Ultimate+ given my circumstances?

If I were to upgrade to Ultimate+, how should I go about doing the problem sets? Do you do all of them after each lesson or save the harder ones for later/review?

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Thursday, Jun 20 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

How to convert US GPA to Canadian GPA

Does anyone know how US GPA's convert over to Canadian GPAs? Specifically to schools in Ontario. I can't find anything online and the conversion chart on OSLAS is confusing to me. I have an LSAC GPA of 3.89 with only one B on my transcript for all four undergrad years (although,it is a B- in a 5 credit course). Also, my university did not have grades of A+. A+'s would be considered an A.

If anyone has any insight on the 2 last years or 3 best years or whatever that is I'd love to have more information on that as well!

Thanks!

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chelseatrudgeon392
Sunday, Mar 17 2019

Thanks everyone for your help!! I’m contacting my credit card tomorrow and luckily have saved all emails with them. If anything this just makes me SO happy I’ve found 7Sage. I’ll definitely look into writing a review for them any and every where to warn others.

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chelseatrudgeon392
Thursday, Jan 16 2020

Not here to beat you up on your score like others because I’m sure you know the reality of it. Obviously I’d say to keep studying and retake but that doesn’t seem to be what you’re looking for.

I think it depends on where you want to live/apply. For instance, in Minnesota (where I’m from) there’s only 3 law schools the university of Minnesota (top 25), university of st Thomas (100s), and Mitchell Hamline (100s). I think you could get into both st Thomas or Mitchell Hamline honestly. Maybe no scholarships but still get in. And if you stayed in Minnesota and did fairly well in school you’d easily find a job. Everyone here knows a lawyer that went to Mitchell Hamline. Again, not sure how well the jobs are but if you tell someone you’re going to law school it’s a guarantee they’ll mention Mitchell Hamline (this is a merged school so that also could play a factor).

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Thursday, Jan 16 2020

chelseatrudgeon392

UCI or UMN?

I know many people here are concerned about getting into the top 14 law schools but that’s just not in my cards and I’m very happy with my choices so far.

With that being said, I got accepted to both university of California Irvine and the university of Minnesota. Irvine has a ranking of 23 while Minnesota has a ranking of 20. Does ranking really matter when they’re that close?? Which would you choose?

I’m from Minnesota and would love to get away for the winters but also know how expensive California is. Just looking for some others opinions to persuade or dissuade me!

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chelseatrudgeon392
Wednesday, Jan 16 2019

@ said:

Someone who has taken the digital LSAT (got paid by LSAC to test it). I can say, its not scary at all. The best way to prep for taking it is to do the Khan Academy questions online as drills. If you have any specific questions regarding sections and stuff. Please feel free to ask.

For game section you do get paper and pencil. You do the game on paper, choose the answer and thats it. The paper you worked on is usually taken away before leaving and trashed.

Are you able to cross of answers or anything like that with a stylus? I've been doing a lot of drilling/PTs via PDF's without printing them off so I'm not too worried but I do like crossing out the wrong answers or making marks on my page.

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chelseatrudgeon392
Tuesday, Apr 16 2019

@-dawg The phases 1 and 2 are discussed in the post core curriculum that's posted from @ above! If you're still in the CC I wouldn't worry about it yet.

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chelseatrudgeon392
Tuesday, Apr 16 2019

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Thank you SO much! That helps a ton. I guess I was thinking that audience size means public interest but it makes sense now why B is the correct answer, especially since it relates more to the evidence being used in the stimulus.

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chelseatrudgeon392
Monday, Apr 15 2019

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Hey, congrats on such great improvement! PTing is a little awkward coming out of the curriculum because it involves so many testing skills which are independent of the core concepts, so hopefully you’ll see a bump to your timed score as you settle in.

As far as where to go, I’d say stick fairly close to phase 1 for a couple weeks maybe just to see if you can’t push that even further. The phases aren’t so strict that you can’t work both angles though, and I don’t think it’s too soon to begin thinking about testing strategies.

The main thing is to learn as much as you can from each PT. Assuming those numbers are representative, that means you’re kinda somewhere in between phases 1 and 2. So work a little from both. That means a lot of work to respond to each PT, but the more work to do the more improvement. So be patient, work hard, and you’ll start inching upwards!

Thanks for the advice!! Definitely going to stick to phase 1 for the next 3 weeks or so but try to keep in mind testing strategies as I go along as well. It's intimidating coming out of the curriculum at first but I'm so happy to have found 7Sage!

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chelseatrudgeon392
Thursday, Feb 14 2019

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Yes. I think I would recommend reviewing, or going through the CC twice. I consistently document questions in the CC that I got wrong or have trouble with, and basically do "fool-proofing" on them, whether they're LR, RC, or LG. I also BR them when I do them again.

This is a REALLY good idea. Thank you! I have starred questions I've found confusing or difficult so fool proofing them is a good way to review those.

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chelseatrudgeon392
Thursday, Feb 14 2019

@ said:

I think reviewing would be a good plan. Just take a day to review if that works best for you. I usually try to review some stuff before studying a certain thing for the day. Example, if I am working on flaw questions today, I'll still go back and try to do a set or two of MSS or MBT. Sometimes, I just take a break to go back and review

Thanks! This is what I was thinking of doing but didn't know how to go about it.

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chelseatrudgeon392
Thursday, Feb 14 2019

I got the answer right but I did skim over the word 'great' which made choosing between AC C and E difficult. Need to remember to make a notice of key words like this!

Before I found the amazing 7Sage community I was attempting to study on my own and used a study schedule from LawSchooli. Studying on my own was a disaster but that's another story.

I bought one of their personal statement edits at about $140 in December and I STILL haven't heard from them. I emailed them a week after I bought it and they told me to sent my draft in again, which I did, and I still haven't heard from them. I have emailed them twice since then and still no response. I'm wondering if there is anything I can do at this point? This experience definitely just makes me more happy to have found 7Sage...

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Thursday, Apr 11 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

First PT after CC- Where should I go from here??

I took the first PT after finishing the CC and while my timed score hasn't changed that much my BR score has sky-rocketed.

Timed: 161 (diagnostic 159)

BR: 170 (diagnostic 164, thanks 7Sage!)

Honestly, this PT felt very disorganized and I felt extremely clumsy through the whole thing. I just felt awkward and not smooth since I haven't taken PT's in over 4 months (this is my second time taking the LSAT). So I was extremely happy with my score of 161 and even more happy/surprised with my BR of 170.

I was wondering where I should go from here? I watched the post CC webinar and was wondering if I should continue to drill, etc. with phase 1 for awhile just to see where my BR score goes and to feel more comfortable or if I should move onto phase 2 with trying to get my timed score to match my BR score? Any tips would be appreciated!

I should note that I honestly don't really have a target score at this point. I would love the very least a 166/167 because I never thought it'd be possible for be to get a 170 but that might change now!

Thanks!

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chelseatrudgeon392
Wednesday, Dec 11 2019

@ said:

Go where you want to practice! Why are you suddenly changing? Like what made you consider Toronto? If its the cost, don’t do it. Go study where you have always wanted! Debt is temporary, the law school experience is forever.

I also believe going from canada to the US is very difficult because the legal systems have quite large differences.

Honestly, as a Canadian I really cant see why you would want to come here. It can drop to -40, healthcare is garbage (try waiting 1yr+ for appointments etc), more opportunities and variety in the US, taxed to death here etc. So i do not see the appeal tbh haha.

In all honesty, the most important thing is your network. Which ever university you attend, make sure you build a strong network, order business cards, make a linkedin. This will give you all your career opportunities you need!

Good luck :)

I haven’t been suddenly changing, Toronto has always been a top choice for me I just didn’t think I’d be accepted! I guess it’s more of a personal dilemma of where I want to live and build a future at this point.

And I’m from Minnesota so it’s freezing here too and Toronto sometimes is even warmer so I’m not afraid of that (-20 here right now). And the taxes in Minnesota are some of the highest in the country so also not that. And I’ve heard great and terrible things about the healthcare but cost is so high for it here in the US and I’ll be off my parents insurance while In school so that’s something to consider.

I would reconsider for more opportunities in the US though which is something I’m considering!

Thanks for the suggestion on network though! Making business cards sounds like a great idea. I definitely have some thinking to do!

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chelseatrudgeon392
Wednesday, Dec 11 2019

@ @ i have also heard that it’s known internationally as a good school! But have also heard that it’s hard to compare lol so much different information which makes it harder to compare. And I was born and raised in Minnesota so I do have ties but nothing I wouldn’t be worried about leaving! Lol

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chelseatrudgeon392
Tuesday, Dec 10 2019

Thank you all!! I guess it really is a personal question that I’ll have to weigh the pros and cons. I am interested in big law but I am also open to exploring more options as well. Exploring career wise they both seem to have good outcomes so I guess it just comes down to the smaller logistics. Going to be a hard decision but thank you!

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Sunday, Feb 10 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

Do you review while doing the CC?

Do you review/revisit old problem types or lessons in the CC while you're still doing the CC? I feel like I should still be practicing problem types I already learned while I'm still going through the CC so I don't get weak on the strategies learned. Is this a good idea or should I just focus on finishing the CC? How do you go about review? Do you have one review day a week or some time each day?

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chelseatrudgeon392
Wednesday, Oct 09 2019

@ said:

Had something similar happen. Was out of school for four years so chose a professor meeting the following criteria: (i) got an "A" grade in their class and (ii) had a small class size (increases the likelihood they remember you)

Also it helps to send a professional photo of yourself to help jog their memory. "I've attached a photo of myself, as I know you have probably had many students since I left the school in XXXX"

To add to this, if you took a professor in more than one class and attach a paper you wrote in their class that you did well on. Then at least they can remember what type of student you were! I did this to all the professors I asked regardless to refresh their memory.

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chelseatrudgeon392
Monday, Dec 09 2019

@ said:

Depends where you want to practice. If its in the U.S, I don't see why you would want to go to law school in Canada?

I would love to live in Canada! I’m open to living there and the US which just causes more of a personal dilemma.

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Monday, Dec 09 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

Top 20 US School vs. U of T?

I recently got accepted to the University of Minnesota and was pretty set on this being the school I was going to attend. Until today, I found out I got accepted to the University of Toronto.

I now have a tough decision to make and was looking for any pointers? Which school would be a better choice for career outcomes and opportunities? I should mention I am from Minnesota and an alum from there as well. I’ve just heard amazing things about Toronto and it’s reputation.

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Wednesday, Jan 09 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

How to Go About a Retake: should I take a 7sage course?

I’m retaking in March and have full time available to study. I took the test in November and received a 155 with a PT average of 157-160. I’ve tried self studying with the Bible’s at first but found them a little overwhelming. Then, I used a tutor who was very helpful in getting the basics down but still find myself having issues. I know what my weaknesses are: reading comp as a whole, timing in LG, necessary and sufficient assumptions in LR, LR questions that are in difficulty 3-4 (Q’s 17+ on test usually). I’ve started blind reviewing and keep a log of each question I got wrong and right and why I got it wrong versus why the right answer is right. My goal is to get a 164+ on the LSAT and get into the University of Minnesota at least (I have a 3.89 GPA).

I was wondering if I should take a 7sage course or continue studying on my own? I should mention I have every PT available and PDFs of question/game types still from my tutor.

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chelseatrudgeon392
Sunday, Feb 09 2020

Depends on the school! Some schools only email/mail a decision other schools update the decision tracker with the actual decision on it (and sometimes also the scholarship)

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chelseatrudgeon392
Wednesday, May 08 2019

@ said:

While I did not have the same starting point as you, I got a tutor through the 7sage discussion page. It has totally revamped my entire outlook on the test. You should absolutely get some professional help especially if it is specifically about this one issue of LR. They can help tune you up more efficiently than you can without help.

Glad to know its helped!! If you don't mind me asking which tutor did you choose? I contacted at least 3 of them and I'm just waiting on replies back

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Thursday, Sep 05 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

Personal Statement as LGBTQ- christian schools

For universities that are christian schools but say that they prefer to have diverse bodies, including those with different sexual orientations and that they don't discriminate on orientation, is it okay to send in a personal statement that talks about your experience as part of the LGBTQ community? Or is this something you should error on the side of caution with and create a new personal statement just for those schools?

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Wednesday, Sep 04 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

University of Toronto- worth applying/my chances?

I am a US citizen with family in Toronto and I am looking to apply to a couple schools in Toronto. I am wondering if it's even worth applying to the University of Toronto and/or what my chances would be since there is not much information online that I can find (like 7Sage's predictor). My stats are as follow:

LSAT: 162

GPA (3 best years): about 3.95 (calculated online, OLSAS is still receiving my transcripts)

Overall GPA: 3.89

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chelseatrudgeon392
Saturday, May 04 2019

@ thank you sooo much! LR is the section that I seem to have the most struggle with too besides timing on RC. I’m definitely going to try some times LR sections for the next two weeks like you suggested! I think it’s really a strategy and confidence thing for me right now that I’m struggling with! And I’m also planning to take the July test as of now!! I’d love to see if our schedules work to work together on LR and just check in and motivate one another lol :) I’ll message you!

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chelseatrudgeon392
Friday, Oct 04 2019

If you are close with your supervisor and believe he can write a great letter, then I think yes. Have you been out of college for a while? If so, you may get by with even having him being one of your letters for schools that only allow 2. Either way, I think it's a good idea to have 3 or 4 people write you letters just in case.

Hi guys! I've posted on here before about improving my PT score to my BR score and here I am again lol. I'm only on my second PT after the CC but I have taken the LSAT before. On the last two PT's my timed scores and BR scores are as follows:

PT Feb 97:

Timed: 161

BR:170

PT36:

Timed: 155

BR:172

I will make note that PT36 was the first time I took the digital LSAT and I was so clunky with it and also for RC the passages were cut off (until I realized AFTER the timed test that it worked if I used the 7Sage format). I know I struggle with timing big time during LR and RC. When I do BR I feel in control and I really feel like I'm starting to master some of the Q's and I feel more and more confident with practice.

I was wondering if I should get a tutor to help me bridge this gap? If so, where can I get a tutor?? I love seeing the 170's on my BR and I'm really starting to get a hang of it (thanks to 7Sage!) but I feel clumsy and awkward during the timed PT. Any tips are appreciated!!

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Wednesday, Dec 04 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

Negotiating Scholarships

Any tips on negotiating scholarships? Can you do it earlier then is recommended on this site?

I’ve received many 100% scholarships from lower ranked (50 and under schools) and just heard back from a top 20 school and received $30,000 total. This is my top school choice. I was below their lsat median and above 75% GPA. I haven’t applied to many other higher ranked schools, only 3 others which I am waiting to hear from.

What would be a reasonable starting point for negotiations?

Should you apply to schools that are closely ranked in order to boost scholarship negoations? For instance, I know I would never go to school A but it's closley ranked to school B that's my top choice. There are no other school's close to my top choice that I'm applying to and school A is close in ranking and geographic location.

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chelseatrudgeon392
Tuesday, Sep 03 2019

@ on some law school applications though that have an employment section it asks for the months and years. So I am unsure if this will be penalized against me, for instance during the bar, if it's not correct.

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Tuesday, Sep 03 2019

chelseatrudgeon392

Employment section-unsure of dates

On the section where it asks you to list all your previous employment and the dates, if you are unsure of the exact month of when you started or ended is that penalized against you? For instance, I worked at Perkins for my first job when I was 15 and I am unsure of when the exact start and end dates were.

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chelseatrudgeon392
Monday, Sep 02 2019

I’d be willing!

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chelseatrudgeon392
Friday, Nov 01 2019

I’m not sure exactly what you’re asking but you need to report/request transcripts form every college or university you’ve ever attended and then LSAC will create one gpa based on all those schools. For instance, I too attended community college but just for one year and still needed to report those grades which were then factored in with my university gpa.

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