I have taken the LSAT before in a testing center (when they first became available again after COVID). I plan to take the June 2024 LSAT and am thinking of taking it remotely because I feel like in the testing center, I was distracted and it caused me even more stress, especially since it was not the same as my study area. So, for those who have taken the remote LSAT, what was that like? I know I have heard some horror stories but I do not know if that was the testing experience for the majority of test takers.
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Logic games is my worst section ... I am in the beginning learning stages and I am struggling with diagraming, which I know is an important first steps Any tips? I am struggling with diagramming in the best way and how to diagram for new rules.
I definitely recommend making sure you understand conditional logic and practice making rule diagrams. I have the Powerscore Logic Games Bible and it provides some drills specifically for diagramming rules because it is so so important, so if you have the resources and you have reviewed the logic section on 7sage, then I would recommend getting it! But yeah, knowing conditional logic and knowing your sufficient / necessary condition keywords really helped me better and accurately diagram the rules (though I will admit sometimes I do make mistakes)
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I will keep it short, It is not only about practicing more but it is also understanding your puzzle pieces and how they come together. When your mind can understand how restricted some pieces are the faster you'll get an understanding.
Okay! I will keep that in mind as I progress in my studies!
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Hey Cira! Glad you're starting your LG journey. When reviewing and foolproofing LG, you should be focused on three things.
Board creation - Learn how to make your board and split when necessary. If you get really good at board creation, it will make the questions go by faster because you're so organized and can see the information clearly.
Rule diagramming/representation - When you watch JY do his videos on LG, look at how he diagrams and represents his rules. He keeps his rules as neat and representative as possible. Learn when to write rules directly on your master game board or when to write them to the side. Also, focus on conditionals and correct representation of rules.
Inferences - Probably the most important part, but as with everything with the LSAT, there are recurring patterns that the test makers use again and again that students can pick up on, and eventually get really good at. On LG, this takes the form of recurring inferences made across different games of the same type. For example, a common inference in in/out games is when one side fills up with pieces, the remaining pieces have to go to the other group. Or for sequencing games, you'll sometimes be able to figure out where a piece HAS to go because there are no other possibilities. Watch JY's videos and understand what each inference he says does for the game and also how he gets there.
Foolproofing will get you really good at games, but doing only a few games won't show much improvement. Once you get through many game sets you will start to understand games a lot more (and be able to do them faster). This section is super learnable, you just gotta grind. :)
I did the above method and kept an excel sheet for each game section I took and my time. Tracking this info got me to -0 from an initial -14 on my diagnostic.
Hope this helps, and good luck!
Thank you so much! Hopefully I also get my LG section down to -0!!!
Do you recommend me drilling sequencing games and just fool proofing those? Since you said that only doing a few games won't show much improvement.
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Hey Cira! Glad you're starting your LG journey. When reviewing and foolproofing LG, you should be focused on three things.
Board creation - Learn how to make your board and split when necessary. If you get really good at board creation, it will make the questions go by faster because you're so organized and can see the information clearly.
Rule diagramming/representation - When you watch JY do his videos on LG, look at how he diagrams and represents his rules. He keeps his rules as neat and representative as possible. Learn when to write rules directly on your master game board or when to write them to the side. Also, focus on conditionals and correct representation of rules.
Inferences - Probably the most important part, but as with everything with the LSAT, there are recurring patterns that the test makers use again and again that students can pick up on, and eventually get really good at. On LG, this takes the form of recurring inferences made across different games of the same type. For example, a common inference in in/out games is when one side fills up with pieces, the remaining pieces have to go to the other group. Or for sequencing games, you'll sometimes be able to figure out where a piece HAS to go because there are no other possibilities. Watch JY's videos and understand what each inference he says does for the game and also how he gets there.
Foolproofing will get you really good at games, but doing only a few games won't show much improvement. Once you get through many game sets you will start to understand games a lot more (and be able to do them faster). This section is super learnable, you just gotta grind. :)
I did the above method and kept an excel sheet for each game section I took and my time. Tracking this info got me to -0 from an initial -14 on my diagnostic.
Hope this helps, and good luck!
Thank you so much! Hopefully I also get my LG section down to -0!!!
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I am not an LG expert (yet, you will be too!) but what seems to be working for me in doing all types of games and yes, memorizing when rules triggers. You do that because these games rinse and repeat. If we do as many as possible to perfection (or near it) then we will see inferences quickly and know where the game could do. I will be following this thread to also gain tips. It really just sounds like repetition will be the key for all game types. Praying for us all.
I will definitely try that! It sounds like a promising way to memorize inferences for replication in other games! Wishing us both the best of luck for our studies!!!
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In addition to drilling LG, the Logic Games Bible by Powerscore is a must! That would be my best recommendation to master LG.
I read through the LG Bible and unfortunately did not fully utilize its capabilities (never drilled because I did not know where to find extra problems by game type) but I will definitely reinsert into my studying!
In the section titled "Fool Proof Guide to Perfection on Logic Games," J.Y says you have to drill the game over and over and that is how you will remember the inferences. Are we supposed to be memorizing the general inferences? For instance, remembering that if there is a new condition in the question stem that creates a block, there are only like two places it could go, which causes one of the leader - follower rules (L - N) to go before the block and the follower to go after the block (like l would be in spot three and the block would start in spot 4 and then n would be the last spot to be filled)? Or are we supposed to memorize the exact inferences of the game (specifics)? I have been drilling the pure sequencing problem sets and got the time down to five minutes to six minutes on all of them and get the answers all correct. I felt like I owned the games and decided to try to drill more sequencing games. I did two, and they both turned out terribly (2/5 or 3/5). Please help!
I would love to join the group!
I am going to get at least a 157 on my April LSAT!!!
Hey everyone. I am doing the core curriculum and have noticed a lot of my answers I get wrong are because I simply read the answer choice wrong / argument wrong because I was so nervous to get it right within the time limit, even when I do not show the time elapsed. I plan on taking the test the second time in 2024 because my mind absolutely blanked during the actual test. It was like everything I had learned went down the drain and was like I didn't spend months studying for the test. I would greatly appreciate it for some tips to help this from happening again, whether it be for drills, etc. Hope everyone has a great day!
Hi! So, my method of study is going through the CC and just practicing and doing drills for each question type and trying to make sure I could explain the reasoning out loud to someone why each answer choice is wrong and why each one is right. For context, I am still going through the CC and have seen improvement, even if it is slow but steady. So, in short, just practice practice practice and I in the beginning of my studies I also stressed quantity of hours spent over quality. Make sure you are spending enough time on each subject (question type, etc) and using everything to your advantage. Best of luck on your studies!
I have a quick question about drilling specific game types. I have finished the lessons on pure sequencing and am about to move onto Sequencing games with a twist. In the videos explaining the sequencing problem sets, J.Y says to practice practice practice. I have done so and have finished each game down to an average of 6 or 7 minutes (in the problem sets) but there are sometimes where I forget the inferences that have been made and it takes me longer sometimes. Should I just focus on drilling sequencing before moving onto sequencing games with a twist? Or complete the sequencing games with a twist and then practice at the end both types of sequencing games (pure and twist)? Any help would be appreciated!
Context: I plan on taking the April 2024 LSAT so I feel I would have enough time to just focus alone but I would love to hear other perspectives!
Hi! I feel like if you know you can get your goal score to get into your schools, then I would say to take the LSAT again. However, if your score is on the low side of the schools you want then I recommend taking more time to study. I do understand the feeling of being behind as I am almost done my gap year studying. It is better to get the highest score you can to get more scholarship opportunities and just more of a chance of getting into the schools you want. This is just my advice. Hope it helps and am wishing you the best!
Did not realize the last sentence said ALL WORKPLACES. Got rid of A because I thought we did not know that.
Hey everyone. I am currently going through the core curriculum and have done almost all the weaken problem sets. I cannot seem to remember / apply the tips that J.Y goes through. And even when I get some questions right, I feel that I still cannot explain why one answer is completely wrong and the other is right (I always get it down to two answers and I pretty much pick the wrong one). I usually average 3/5 on the sets. Does anyone have some tips? It would be greatly appreciated :)
Omg congratulations!!! Sending you the absolute best for your test Friday!
Is it recommended to try to redo the LR questions we got wrong a few weeks after so they are not fresh in our mind?
Does anyone know where the section or something went or what it is under where JY provides a link to articles that can help us get use to reading complex topics?
Hi! I understand this struggle too. Although I am getting out of it myself, what I did was to focus on one question type I know I am having trouble on and focus on that. I find focusing and trying to employ the strategies methods over and over again helps me even if it means I understand why one answer choice is wrong where I would not have seen that before. In terms of logic games, I just do the foolproof message and try to explain in my head why this world could work, etc. Hopefully this helps! Best luck on your studies.
Hello everyone! I have been studying for the LSAT for quite a while and took the test and completely let me anxiety get the best of me and my mind went blank. I am studying again for hopes of applying Fall 2025 and plan to take the test in April 2024. Although I am not done the Core Curriculum, I know I am in desperate help especially for Logical Reasoning. On my previous prep tests, I always get -10 to -14/15 on each section. I am seeing slow improvement in the logic games section because I am using the foolproof method. However, I am thinking about getting a tutor from 7Sage. For those currently working with a tutor, do you recommend it? I work full time and am saving up for law school but am scared that tutoring may just not work for me and I just blew away money that could have been used for law school tuition.
Hi! I recently completed my first confidence drill and it was for LR, but I definitely will try it for RC! Reading your comment makes me feel better that someone else was in the same boat as me and was able to get out of that rut. Have a great rest of your day!
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Thank you!! It's ironic you suggested it I've been using the book over the last few days and trying to practice the diagramming drills. I do miss some things like noting all not laws that emerge from a rule etc... I just feel like my diagram has to be perfect to answer the questions cause one mistake can cause incorrect answers.
When I was doing the diagramming drills I did miss a couple not laws so I understand the struggle :(
Hi. I have been doing weakening questions on and off about a month and I just cannot seem to get the hang of it. I usually get like 50-60% right on any set I do. Sometimes I make the wrong jump in the answer choices and I would really appreciate some tips and tricks you guys use that have helped you.
Does anybody have tips on how to improve on RC? I typically get like -14 or -16 on this section and doing low res has helped but when the passage is difficult / under timed conditions, it does not seem to help me at all. I would greatly appreciate any help!
Congratulations! I do have one question, how did you get better at LR? Any tips you recommend?
I got it down to B and E and ultimately chose B, because I thought just because the grandson expressed his desire to own a farm that it didn't mean that he expressed it to her and did not want to make that assumption so I eliminated E. How do I know when to not make the jump or to make the jump?
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