Hello everyone. I was hoping someone could help me improve LR which is my weakest section. I just recently finished a PT and got -0 in LG, -7 in RC, but -20+ combined from the 2 sections of LR. After reviewing the questions, I noticed most of the LR questions I’m getting wrong are only 4-5 star difficulty questions. The type of questions I got wrong are all over the place so the issue doesn’t seem to be exactly the type of question but rather the difficulty level that’s tripping me up. Should I create drills to only do 4-5 star difficulty questions or is there a different way to approach this? Should I be doing drills timed or untimed until I can consistently get the answers right? I’m really not sure where to go from here or how to take on these questions which are easily the biggest factor in my scores right now.
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There isn’t really a set “diagnostic” test. Most people take the June 2007 PT as sort of a diagnostic and it’s a good way to gage where you stand. It’s also one of the few, if not the only, free PT offered by the LSAC. It’s the one I’d recommend taking though you can definitely use other PTs as “diagnostic” tests.
I would say it depends on the frequency of your PTs. If you’re doing a PT like daily or every other day then maybe 3 sections would be better just so you have enough time to BR and fully understand everything you got wrong. If you’re doing maybe only one per week or maybe even 2 then the 4 sections would work well in my experience. Hope that helps guide you! Good luck.
It seems that no matter what I do I can’t get even close to -0 timed. Either I rush to finish all 4 games and get 8 wrong for rushing or I don’t get to the last game at all and end up with a -5 or -6. I really need to get this down to below -3 if I’m to get the score I’m aiming for in October. If anyone has any pointers I’d be very grateful.
For context, I usually do at least 1 full LG section per day (4 games) but I’ll often do more (6-8 games). Then I’ll BR when I finish and then I’ll watch video explanations for the ones I was too slow on or didn’t understand. Still, I consistently score around -8 on any given timed section. Again, due to either rushing or not finishing. Please help me!!
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I found that revisiting some of the fundamentals from the CC helped me. It seems like I was overthinking most questions due to the presumption that the 80s PTs are harder. I went back to basics and the root of the questions and went back to scoring how I previously was.
What did you go back to in the fundamentals for this to click? The lessons for each question type or a particular overarching lesson? How long did it take before you started scoring as you previously were?
Yeah I basically went and rewatched a lot of the videos from the CC. The ones that specifically focused on how to approach the different question types and that seems to have helped. In terms of how long I’d say pretty quickly as in like the same week. I took PT83 and that’s where I got destroyed with the -15 in LR and the same week (after reviewing CC) I went to PT84 and got a -6 which is more in line with what I was previously scoring. For context, PT84 LR is rated 1 star higher in difficulty by 7Sage so I don’t think I did better on 84 simply because the LR section was actually easier. Not sure if PT83 is an outlier but hope this helps nonetheless.
Hey everyone. I’m taking the upcoming October LSAT probably on Friday the 14th. When would ya’ll recommend taking my final PT? Should I avoid taking any PTs the week of my LSAT or should I fit one PT in on that week? Thanks!
You'll definitely improve over time. I'm sure many of us ran out of time on our first-ever PT or had to guess on many questions in order to finish on time. I wouldn't worry. Continue doing drills and PTs and you'll be solid after enough practice.
I would definitely address that. GPA addendums are for the most part ways to explain why you received bad grades. Maybe you were diagnosed with something, a family member passed away, you took time off from school, you were working a job or more, etc. I think the most important part is that you don’t make it sound like an excuse but rather own up to it while explaining why you don’t believe these grades represent your full potential for law school. “The class was hard” or “I had a bad professor” are examples of things to stay away from, in my opinion. Nonetheless I would still address this. Believe me I hate the LSAC’s way of calculating GPA. But law schools also don’t like seeing addendums that sound like excuses so I think as long as you own up to it and explain why it’s not fully representative of your potential in law school you’ll be fine!
Honestly, it doesn’t need to be explained. It can be if you want it to but I would use the PS to let the school know more about who you are and what makes you unique. Schools don’t generally care if you were pre-med or an engineering major and decided to attend law school. Most schools really only care about hard numbers. Again, you’re free to explain why you decided to attend law school when your original intent was STEM in your PS. However, it’s not really necessary and you might benefit more from discussing other unique life experiences, challenges, and adversity.
Hello everyone. I’m a bit confused on how I should be doing my PTs and I’m hoping someone can clear up my confusion. So, up until this point I’ve been doing PTs without checking off the “simulate modern” box on the PTs. Should I be doing these PTs with the modern option enabled? In addition, does simulating modern tests still include 4 sections and only scores 3 of them or will it only include 3 sections all of which are scored? Thanks!
Replying to second @. It honestly depends on a lot. For example, you might be able to perfect LG and even -0 LR. But RC is a skill you build throughout your life and you might not be able to improve on by much. However, I won’t sit here and tell you to give up or not even try. If you’re willing to dedicate at least a year or more to the LSAT go for it. It won’t be easy but not impossible. Best of luck friend.
So, I'm having a hard time with LR averaging -5 through -10 every section even after BR. My main problem is that the question types that I'm getting wrong seem to be scattered all over the place. It's not just like weakening and assumptions, for example, but rather a little bit of everything that I'm getting wrong. So now I'm not sure how to proceed. Should I just continue drilling LR sections for practice or should I take a step back and continue learning about the fundamentals of all LR questions before more drills? (Currently reading The Loophole in LR & PowerScore LR Bible but not finished with either).
So I recently started taking on the PTs in the 80s to practice the more recent content in preparation for October. I started with PT83 earlier this week and took PT84 today. Here are the breakdowns:
PT83: 152 (BR: 161)
RC: -8
LG: -8
LR: -15
PT84: 159 (BR: 161)
RC: -7
LG: -8
LR: -6
So the huge score jump is clearly justified completely by me getting destroyed on LR on PT83 while doing much better on PT84 LR. However, this inconsistency worries me. Does anyone know if PT83 LR was just ridiculously hard or was PT84 LR much easier??
In addition, with 3 weeks until my October LSAT, is there any hope left for me improving LG? I’ve scored exactly and I mean exactly -8 on my last 3 PTs. Mostly because I RUSH like crazy just to be able to get to the 4th game. Is there any hope for me on LG with 3 short weeks left? Thank you for your time!
Hello everyone. With the October LSAT getting closer and closer I was looking for help with what I should do at this point. I seem to average -8 on RC and between -3 and -6 on LG. LR is a complete tossup between like a -7 or as bad as a -15. It’s my worst section. I must clearly lack some fundamentals of LR to be doing so poorly and with how little time is left until the October LSAT my question becomes: At this point, should I even bother in reviewing LR fundamentals/drilling LR weaknesses? Or should I just solely focus on LG in hopes of perfecting to -1 or -0 for a last minute score boost? I’m honestly torn because -1 or -0 on LG is not a guarantee for me but after months of studying my LR has simply not improved either.
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Thank you! I ended up going in by retaking a PT as sort of like a diagnostic test and scored a 159 (good score for me!). Higher than my real LSAT score, surprisingly. Granted it was PT69. Not sure if that’s known to be an easier PT or about average but it’s a good starting point after over 2 months of no studying at all. Again, thank you for your feedback :)
Hello everyone. I’m looking for some advice as I’m honestly panicking now. I took PT83 today and I had heard that PTs in the 80s were much more difficult. The LG section wasn’t bad but I ran out of time and got -8. The RC was ok and I also got -8 which is around my average. Now LR… I had been averaging -8/9 and got destroyed with a -15. Even worse, 7Sage classified this LR section as a 2 star difficulty section as a whole. I’m signed up for the October and LSAT and feel completely lost now. I thought I was finally improving LR but after hearing how the current LSATs are much like the PTs in the 80s I’m really worried. -15 in LR is abysmal especially in what 7sage considers to be a 2 star (easier) section. On BR, I got an extra 6 questions correct bringing my BR score to -9 (which is still bad) but definitely not -15. Where do I go from here? I feel like all hope is lost considering the October LSAT is right there.
These questions seem easy but are actually not. These questions are usually the most difficult ones out of any given LG due to how subtle they are in appearing as easy but actually aren’t. They are, by design, time sink questions meant to waste your time and unless you consistently go -0 or close to that on LG I’d say guess and skip it. These questions often sneak in new constraints or subtly remove other constraints which is what makes them so hard. There’s some videos on this topic in the CC that do a great job at explaining it and I would highly recommend them.
https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/substitution-and-equivalence-theory/
In short, I took the October LSAT. Didn't get the score I wanted. Retaking in February. I'm starting to study again now in late December and throughout January/early February. I've done zero studying whatsoever since taking October, so it's been roughly 2 months. Should I expect a big score decrease as I start to PT again? Is getting back to where I was a quick process, or will it take multiple weeks? I'm looking to increase by about 5 pts by February. Is it possible to achieve that increase in under 2 months? (October 155 --> 160+ goal). Thanks everyone.
Thank you all for your input! It has all been very helpful and insightful. Thanks!
Hello everyone. I was hoping I could get some thoughts on score fluctuations. For context, I usually score in the low 150s (sad, I know), however, my last PT was a 158 (BR: 164). Is there a chance this was an outlier? Under my analytics page, my score has slowly been increasing every PT but for the most part there are fluctuations in the curve on some PTs. Last week, I scored the 158 but exactly one week before that I had scored a mere 149 while scoring a 148 the week before that one. Could this be a sign of improvement? Or a simple outlier? I guess I won't know until I PT again but was hoping I could get some opinions anyway! Thanks.
Hello everyone. I was hoping to see if I could get some tips for in-out games. I’m currently going through the CC on it and honestly, many of the explanations are just confusing me even further and feel overdone. I’m really struggling the most with the “harder” and “hardest”difficulty level in-out games. I just cant finish these on time at all despite being able to go back during BR to get most of the answers right. My main problem is knowing when to divide the game board into separate worlds/translating some of the rules/knowing when they’re activated or not. Should I just keep drilling these games until I get faster or is there something else that I am missing? If someone could drop some tips on how to improve at this I’d greatly appreciate it!
Hello everyone! Was hoping to see if those who average -5 or less on any average LR section can drop some tips that we can all learn from! :) What can help someone averaging minus 7-10 bridge that gap to -5 or less?
Thank you all for your input! I think I’ll definitely do some studying tomorrow but maybe just not too much. I think wasting my time all day tomorrow would just feel unwise and add to my anxiety. Might also throw in an easy LG before the test on Friday for a last minute confidence boost. You guys all had some great points, thanks!!
Hello everyone. Is it really so bad to study the day before the real test? I keep hearing that I should do nothing test related the day before the test, but I feel like I should be studying. In addition, what're your thoughts on studying the day of the test itself? As in maybe doing 1 LG or a handful of LR questions a few hours before the test. Would this approach just be a waste of energy and I should really just do nothing at all?
Funny enough I also took PT89 as my last PT before the real exam yesterday and dropped by around 6 points from where I had been scoring. At this point, it feels like a mix of burnout plus the stress of knowing the real exam is right there. I went over what I got wrong and did my best to understand why I got it wrong and I’m just gonna try to not worry too much and prepare for the real one.
Hello everyone, I was hoping someone could explain what could’ve caused a sudden score increase. For reference, I typically score in the low 150s sometimes as low as 148/149. My last 3 PT scores were:
PT76: 152 / BR: 160
PT64 (Modern): 148 / BR: 154
PT75: 149 / BR: 158
Then:
PT58 (Modern): 158 / BR 164
I just started going through the CC after completely ignoring it for months (my previous routine was strictly drills and PTs). So, while I am happy with this increase, I was curious; is PT58 exceptionally easy? Or should I feel like I earned that score? Is it possible that the “modern” setting inflated my score? Just a bit confused as to how I could’ve achieved such a big jump. Hoping for some clarification. Thanks!
Taking the LSAT Friday as well. Planning on taking my final PT Tuesday too! Gonna do some LG maybe LR drills on Wednesday and review the PT I took on Tuesday. Not gonna do anything at all on Thursday. Maybe a single LG but absolutely nothing more until the real test.
Hello everyone. I have some questions regarding when and how to explain a GPA below a school’s median.
Essentially, I was majoring in Biology during my freshman year of college which was something kinda pushed onto me by my parents and not something I wanted to pursue. In addition to this, I moved houses during my very first semester of college and COVID hit during the middle of my second semester. After performing poorly these first 2 semester in college I decided to switch majors to Psychology and went on to earn an A in every single class I took from there until I graduated. Unfortunately, the failing grades I earned those semesters are counted by the LSAC’s cumulative GPA despite me graduating Summa Cum Laude with a 3.98 GPA. This brings my LSAC GPA to a 3.45. I know, yikes.
Is this something worth writing an addendum for? How will law school view me switching majors and my drastic change in grades?
The last 3 PTs I’ve done I’ve scored exactly -9 on all three tests. I don’t ever seem to do worse as in -10+ but at most I’ll come down to -7 but usually it’s -8/9. I have no idea what to do anymore to improve this section I feel like it’s holding me back so much. If anyone has any tips or just any advice on something I could try I’d be very thankful. Really frustrated at the moment with this consistently mediocre performance.
@ Awesome response. I pretty much agreed with every single point you made. Just became a bit concerned because I was starting to see many more posts of people advising against 3-section tests on other sites. Will definitely be taking more 4-section tests before the real exam but I would agree with every point you made. Unless there are big fluctuation between scores in a 3-section PT vs a 4-section one I think 3 is just fine.
If you scored a 164 during BR then it’s definitely a time issue. You need to work on time management in order to close the gap between those two numbers. A 164 means you clearly know what you’re doing in terms of fundamentals and and how to solve the questions. But scoring a 137 timed means you must be leaving like half sections unfinished. You need to be confident in your answers! If you think you have the answer but aren’t 100% sure, pick a choice, flag it, and move on. If you have spare time at the end go back and review as many flagged questions as you can. You can’t afford to leave blank answers on this test especially if you’re looking to close such a big gap. That being said, you just started to PT so lack of time management and struggling to finish is a common issue. The more you PT and the more you drill the faster you’ll get. The knowledge is there! Now it’s just time to practice and work on timing.
Hey everyone. I wanted to gauge everyones thoughts on doing PTs with 3 sections vs 4 sections. I’ve heard a lot of people mention that doing 3-section PTs inflates your scores due to stamina being less of a factor. I usually opt for the 3-section PT as I find it more efficient and just better overall for days when I don’t have much time. However, I recently took a 4-section test and actually received the highest score I’ve ever gotten on it. This takes me back to my question on what people think is best. Is it really so bad to do 3-section PTs? I understand it doesn’t simulate real exam conditions but, again, I’d like to hear some opinions on what you guys do!
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So would you recommend against pairing the 7sage curriculum with the Bibles?
I wouldn’t recommend against it, per say, I think the bibles can be a great assets. However, they should at most be supplemental in your studying and you should only stick to one or two resources to approach questions. If PowerScore is your choice for how to primarily approach questions then just be careful mixing in different approaches from other resources. Mixing too many resources can lead to a lot of confusion in my experience because it happened for me.
Hey! I found that what helped for me was to just find one resource and stick to it. If you’re using the LSAT Trainer, 7Sage, Powerscore, The Loophole in LR, etc etc you’re bound to feel lost. All of these LSAT study programs have different approaches to getting the same answers but if you start mixing things up you’ll end up more lost than you originally were. Take a step back and take it back to basics. I found that the loophole in LR complimented the 7sage curriculum very well. If you’re getting -12 and still -8 on BR you must be lacking some fundamentals. I would recommend picking a single LR section and doing it untimed. See what questions take you the longest and which questions you still get wrong without time being a factor. Identify those and then go back and watch videos or read on how to approach those questions. Every question type requires a different approach and a different strategy. Unfortunately, there is no one universal strategy that can be used to attack every single question. Also, take breaks! Burnout is real. If you recently started drilling purely LR and noticed a drop in performance either work on other sections or take time off LSAT completely. Let your brain breathe so everything you’re studying and practicing has time to process and stick. Hope that helps.
Hello everyone. This might be a bit of a long post but I’m writing this post to pretty much look for advice as to what I should do with my study plan since I’m losing hope and considering giving up.
For context, I took the LSAT November of 2021 and scored a 150. This was with no studying at all as I was doing school full time at that point. Prior to taking that LSAT, my cold diagnostic was a 144 on the June 07. Since then, I decided to opt for the gap year and focused on finishing undergrad with good grades. I began studying again June of this year post-graduation and have been putting between 3-6 hours every single day except on weekends where I study less due to other responsibilities. My goal was ~160 by October of this year. I have already registered for that date btw.
My issue becomes that I’ve scored nowhere near my goal. My highest actual score has been a 154 despite scoring in the 160s during BR a few times. Besides the 154, I’ll score anywhere between 148-152 for the most part. The 154 was due largely to me scoring -3 on the LG on that PT. My routine consists of mainly drilling LG and LR as I’ve heard RC is not worth practicing as much. I average -9 or -10 on RC. Despite me drilling hundreds of LGs and LR questions I’ll still get 7-15 wrong on any LR section. On LG, I can go either -3 or -14 under timed conditions despite being capable of -0 on BR. I’m very inconsistent on the games because I struggle with diagramming rules and setting up the games. This often forces me to brute force through answer choices because I don’t make inferences and waste time only allowing me to complete 3/4 games.
Now, with that being said I’ll mention that I have not gone through the entire CC. I recently started going through the CC for LR and plan on finishing it and moving on to the LG CC. I’m also reading the LR Loophole but I’m only halfway through the book. I am well aware that these are things I should have done from the start before I even began drilling or doing PTs but I unfortunately didn’t.
My question becomes: With only ~5 weeks until my October LSAT, what should I even do? Should I fully focus on finishing the Loophole and the CC and stop doing PTs until then? Should I do that but continue weekly drills or cut out even drills until I understand the CC? Should I still be doing at least 1 PT per week? Or should I simply just drill LG for the next few weeks in a last ditch effort to score higher given that this is the section I feel like I can improve on the most? I’m really not sure where to go from here with 5 weeks left and morale at an all time low. Btw, if you made it this far, thank you. I’d appreciate any tips.
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This was a great response and I’m very appreciative of it. Some very good points!
Hey! A 25-point increase is quite the jump. That being said, it isn't impossible. Especially if you can perfect your LG. That's definitely the section I'd start studying first as it's the easiest to improve and will help you see the biggest score jump. You also have time on your side as roughly 9 months of studying is a great timeline to set yourself up for success. I definitely think you can achieve your goal. However, I will say that studying 4 hours daily after working a full-time job and then doing 8 hours on the weekends seems exhausting. Give yourself time to rest and relax! Consider taking weekends off or maybe at least Sundays off. If you come home from work too tired one day, consider taking the afternoon off. I'd argue that there are more benefits to letting your brain rest for some time than frying it further and ending up making no progress due to burnout. Good luck!
Hello everyone. So for context, I’m not looking to go to a T14 so a 160 is pretty much what I need to get into my picks for law schools. Even a 161/162 would be amazing for me. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to crack this magic number. I usually score in the high 150s with few outliers but have never made it past 159 despite always scoring in the 160s upon BR and in the very high 160s nearing 170 as of more recently.
I’ll admit I don’t have LG down to -0. I’ll usually score around -5 or -8 due to timing but then get -0 on BR. LR and RC is where the gamble comes in. I’ll always either do like -6 or -7 on RC but then -10 on LR or I’ll go -6 on LR but -11 on RC. LG is about the same every single PT. The most frustrating part for me is my inconsistency on LR. Like I could do a drill on just weakening questions and do well but then on my most recent PT, 3 out of the 9 questions I got wrong were all weakening questions. It’s seriously frustrating knowing that had I gotten those 3 weakening questions correct my score would have gone from a 159 to a 162. 🥲
No matter what I do I can’t seem to crack that magical 160 (maybe not so magical for others lol). With only days left until my October LSAT, should I just fully focus on LG at this point to hopefully get it below -5?
I mean the clear answer imo would be the 7Sage CC. However, I know the $70 a month can be a good bit for a lot of people so I would also recommend Ellen Cassidy’s “The Loophole in LR” which is around $35 on Amazon and a solid asset to understand premises vs conclusions and just LR in general.
Literally same. -0 through like -3 on drills then -6 through -8 on PTs due to nerves and misreading rules etc. Following 🥲
Hello everyone. Basically, I’m looking to see how to approach short RC passages as in passages that have around 5 or maybe 6 questions at most. In my experience, these passages are usually the first to come up in any given section, tend to be on the easier side, and seem like they can be completed in 6-7 minutes maybe 8 at most. However, as someone who struggles reading all 4 passages and often can’t finish the 4th, I need help with how to approach these passages with fewer questions.
Should I focus on completing these types of passages with less questions first in hopes of getting a likely 5-6 extra correct answers given the easier nature of these passages? Or should I skip it and move on to the passages that have more questions but are likely harder which can lead to more incorrect answers?
I hope this makes sense! My October LSAT is quickly approaching and I’m just looking for some last minute refinements to maybe score better on RC given that timing is my #1 enemy in RC. Thanks!
I would say the 5 most recent tests are a good indicator of your overall "average". There's a good chance there might be some variation over 10 PTs, for example, so really the latest five might be more accurate. However, I think it's worth considering outliers (positive or negative) as you could always have a terrible or perfect day. Your score could shift substantially compared to your "average" if this were to be the case. Nonetheless, I'd say the 5 most recent are the best estimate, in my opinion.
Waiting to get me score tomorrow. I either did similar to my PTs or abysmal. I’d be more comfortable if not for that RC sadly.
This happens to me as well. I find that what helps me is to close your eyes before doing a PT and just take deep breaths and remind yourself that you’re in control. You’re taking the test. The test is not taking you. Remind yourself that you’re in control and you know what you’re doing while taking deep breaths and when you feel calm then you’re probably ready to begin. It’s what works for me at least, hope it helps.
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Thank you, ClaudioD21! I just took the cold test, and received 151... I did very poorly on LG. It's a disappointing score. How can I improve and make a realistic plan?
A 151 is actually a really good starting point! I would recommend the 7Sage core curriculum. It’s a good way to build and learn the foundations you’ll need for the test. Try identifying the areas where you struggle most.