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PT111.S1.Q23
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Thursday, Aug 31 2017

Argument Review

Some statisticians claim that the surest way to increase the overall correctness of one's total set of beliefs is by leaving it unchanged, except when there is adequate evidence to reject one of those beliefs. This gives a person two options: either to leave the set unchanged or to reject existing beliefs. Over time, one can only have fewer and fewer beliefs. Since people need many beliefs to survive, these statisticians are wrong.

What I'm looking for: First thing that jumped out to me with the premise that over time one can only have fewer and fewer beliefs. I thought this was an error because doesn't that overlook the possibility that one just never changes their belief set. No AC touched on this. The Stats people are describing the theoretical surest way to increase correctness of a belief set. That being the case, the author introduces a red herring argument because survival has nothing to do with increasing the correctness of belief sets.

A: Correct answer choice. The author assumes that the ability to survive must not be hindered. But says who? Overall correctness of belief goes up either way.

B: Incorrect. The stimulus says that beliefs cannot be added to a set.

C: SO?

D: Descriptively inaccurate.

E: Completely irrelevant.

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PT107.S3.Q25
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Thursday, Aug 31 2017

Argument Review

Out of 100 people surveyed, 50% believe (I → R) and 30% believe (R → C). Therefore, more people believe (I → R) than (C→R)

What I'm looking for: I first thought the flaw had to do with percentages. Upon analyzing the argument I realized it is correct in saying that more people in the sample believe the former rather than the latter (wont say that about the population because we dont know how well the survey was conducted).

A: Accurate but not the flaw. We can make inferences about the population from samples.

B: Correct answer. The conclusion brings up an idea that flips S/N conditions in the latter belief.

C: Inaccurate.

D: Inaccurate; the argument does not talk about a singular belief in the conclusion.

E: Inaccurate.

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Sunday, Oct 29 2017

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PSA strategy

Hey guys! Fiesta here again.

So I have come across some points of confusion with PSA question types on my last PT runs. Usually, I found success with PSA questions by thinking about them like SA questions. Find the conditional that triggers P and concludes C. However, there have been a couple PSA questions that I have had trouble with because they do not fit this mold (68.2.5/68.2.13/68.2.16). I can't remember the specific video, but J.Y mentioned that PSA questions can be treated like STRENGTHEN questions under certain circumstances. I can see how that is helpful, but I was wondering what tactics yall have for attacking these PSA types that do not conform to the usual SA structure?

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Wednesday, Feb 28 2018

@ said:

And to add to the questions, when did you submit your app?

I've been wondering if this cycle has proven to be as abnormal for applicants who submitted "early" in October or if the applicants from Dec/Jan/Feb are the ones mainly feeling what appears to be an increase in holds and waitlists.

Same! I applied a couple days before New Years.

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Wednesday, Feb 28 2018

@ said:

@ said:

@ said:

Congrats on this. Im actually curious about this. Got held at a another school and wondering how to approach this.

check out the link that @ posted in the thread! pretty helpful.

Thanks. Good luck on columbia. I hope they accept you. Are your goals biglaw?

Yeah, only thing is that I am pretty set on practicing in CA... but Columbia is in my top 3 so I'm going to try to do whatever I can to move the needle.

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Wednesday, Feb 28 2018

@ said:

@ what were you stats if you don't mind me asking? Curious about the hold pool as well.

3.6/ 163

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Wednesday, Feb 28 2018

@ said:

Congrats on this. Im actually curious about this. Got held at a another school and wondering how to approach this.

check out the link that @ posted in the thread! pretty helpful.

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Wednesday, Feb 28 2018

@ said:

I don't have much insight on this, but you should definitely check this out.

https://classic.7sage.com/admissions/lesson/loci-dos/

thank you for sending this over, extremely helpful!

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Wednesday, Feb 28 2018

@ said:

Did they provide a reason for the hold?

Yes... they essentially said that the candidate pool is one of the largest and most qualified, so they need more time to consider my application within the context of this kind of candidate pool. I've read that it's essentially a courtesy email and that it means I simply have to wait longer.

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Wednesday, Feb 28 2018

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"On Hold" @ Columbia

Hey 7Sage!!

I received an email from Columbia expressing my status as "on hold". Apparently, it just means I have to wait a little longer for a decision. Has anyone ever dealt with this? Any tips on things I can do to tip the scale in my favor? They said I could send a LOCI (which I definitely will do), is there a format for this as well? I really hope I get in... Thanks in advance everyone!

Cheers,

Chris

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PT141.S4.Q13
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Sunday, Nov 26 2017

This is a necessary assumption question. There argument proceeds as follows:

In 2003, scientists detected methane in Mars's atmosphere. Methane falls apart when hit by UV in sunlight. Therefore, any methane in Mars's atmosphere must have been released relatively recently.

What I'm looking for: There is a jump from premise to conclusion. Our premises tell us that methane was detected and that this methane falls apart when exposed to UV. How does this support the conclusion? Isn't there a possibility that there is methane that has lurked in the martian atmosphere for centuries?

A. This is unnecessary. So what if there was methane before 2003?

B. Correct AC. This is necessary because if negated, then there exists the possibility that there is some methane that is never exposed to UV. If this is the case, then the argument does not hold since this can very well be the methane in the martian atmosphere.

C. So what if methane can be detected before it begins to fall apart? We don't need this to be true.

D. Unnecessary.

E. Irrelevant.

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Wednesday, Jan 25 2017

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MBT & SA Inquiry

Hey everyone, just wanted to get clarification on something. I find myself, when confronted with a MBT or SA question, immediately translating to logic. It is hard for me to find the correct answer choice otherwise. However, it does seem to eat up some time. Is there a better strategy to approach these questions? I would be very comfortable with the questions if it wasn't for the timing element, due to the formulaic nature of their structures.

Wasup 7sage community. So I took my LSAT in February... had been studying for 3 months at that point, but did not feel like I was at my peak. There was definitely room for improvement in all three sections. I still took it, and although I got a solid score, I know I can do better. So I'm deciding to take again and get it right this time...

The thing is, I am taking a two-year gap before law school. Ideally, I want to get solid work experience during this time. I am debating between taking it June or September... and am leaning towards September because the last thing I want is to rush myself again and put myself in a tough situation if I don't perform in June. However, I do not see myself full-time studying for 6 months... I want to look for a full-time internship/position. If I am giving myself 6 months, + the time I have already spent with the exam, is it feasible to hit my goal score range? Basically, is it necessary in the months leading up to the exam to be zeroed in on the LSAT or can solid prep allow for a more relaxed schedule? If anyone has been in a similar situation or can lend some words of wisdom, I would truly appreciate it.

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PT102.S4.Q20
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Tuesday, Sep 19 2017

This is a PMOR question:

Stimulus: Some research has claimed that higher apes have the capacity for language but have never used it, a highly unlikely claim. That is like saying an animal has wings suitable for flight but has never thought to use them.

A. Incorrect, does not adequately parallel the stimulus. Could be right if said "arguing that some humans have the capacity to sleep but never do is like saying some lions who have the opportunity to eat meat never do."

B. Wrong.

C. Correct answer; this AC parallels the analogy used in the stimulus by presenting something advantageous (telekinesis) and pairing that with an example of a insect having legs but never using them.

D. Incorrect because 1) you have to assume that tobacco and alcohol are positive things and 2) the last sentence says a society that knows how to brew alcohol does not drink it instead of saying that a society that knows how to brew does not brew.

E. Wrong.

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Monday, Dec 19 2016

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Need some advice

So I recently finished the curriculum and took my first PT last Friday. I improved from my diagnostic but not by a considerable margin. I definitely struggled with pacing and made some errors that I usually wouldn't make. I'm hoping that my test anxiety will go away as I take more PTs and I will be able make the gains that I have been training for. Anyway, I am registered to take the February LSAT. How many prep tests do you all recommend is a good amount to take? My target score is a 165, but I'll be happy to break 160's.

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Friday, Aug 18 2017

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In search of #MajorKeys

Hey 7Sagers! Im curious how you all as JY puts it "get the most" out of every PT. I understand that it is foolish to burn through PTs without gaining as much LSAT juice as possible from each. I'm wondering what you all do after every PT to review?

This is the system that I have been using recently:

For LR, I blind review and type out a doc that outlines my thinking for all missed questions, confidence errors, or overall difficult questions. Currently seeing most improvement on LR (going -5), although I know I can improve more... looking at you PM/ PF/ SA/ MBT.

For LG, I have been fool proofing all games where I missed a question or if I didn't get through the game as fast as I thought I should. I have only started doing this from PT 59 and up so tbh haven't full proofed games before that (PT 52-58). I had been doing well for my target score (-6) up to the last couple PTs I took where I have not done as well.

For RC, I have not found a review strategy that has helped me increase my points. RC was honestly natural to me when I first started taking PTs last December, would score -6 while my other sections were trash lol. But my score has gone down which is super frustrating to me (avg -8 rn). I know the reason is that I switched to focusing to 3 passages because time was an issue, but I have not been able to go perfect on three passages for this method to be beneficial. So I'm pretty lost on this end of it. I want to go back to completing four passages but its becoming hard for me to think that speeding through passages more quickly while risking misunderstanding is going to be the solution.

September was my goal, have been studying 30+ hrs since June, but I feel like I have so much to work on that it's feeling like pushing back my test date is the right choice... Going to keep grinding for the next couple weeks to see where I'm at then.

Any insight would be great, I'm all ears!

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Thursday, Aug 17 2017

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Memory Method

Hey 7sage community! Quick question- I don't quite understand how we're supposed to correctly practice the memory method? When do you move from phase 1 to phase 2? Is it basically like full proofing LG? Should we be repeating passages until we've mastered them?

Thanks you guys are awesome!

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Sunday, Sep 17 2017

Contract Law/ IP Law/ Entertainment (particularly in music and sports). We got this y'all! Happy studying!

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Thursday, Sep 14 2017

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7 Sage Tutoring

Hey everyone!

I've seen throughout these forums that there are some sages/mentors that offer tutoring services. Is there a specific page on the site for this or somewhere I can find info in regards to this?

Cheers,

Chris

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Thursday, Sep 14 2017

Count me in!! Will be sitting in for Dec

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PT135.S4.Q13
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Tuesday, Nov 07 2017

NA Blocking

P: Reducing class size means that more teachers will need to be hired.

P: There is a shortage of qualified teachers in the REGION.

P: Smaller classrooms, although beneficial to some extent, hurts education when teachers are underqualified.

C: Reducing class size is unlikely to improve overall student achievement.

NA prediction: isn't it possible that qualified teachers from other regions can be brought in?

A: Not necessary. Negating this statement does not wreck our argument.

B: Not necessary. If we negate it translates to... if we reduce class sizes, none of the qualified teachers will be able to improve overall student improvement. this does not wreck the argument. We still have a shortage of qualified teachers in the area and the conclusion still stands.

C: irrelevant.

D: Negation goes... Most or all teachers are underqualified but hiring more teachers would improve the achievement of some students. Not necessary. Some students =/= all students.

E: correct answer; this must be true... if not, there is a possibility that qualified teachers can be brought from other regions, which wrecks the argument.

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PT135.S4.Q26
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Monday, Nov 06 2017

Flaw question type. There are two flaws in this argument. It proceeds as follows:

P: We have the best players in the city.

SC/ MP: Therefore, we have the best team.

- - - - - - - - - - - - -

P: The best team in the city will be most likely to win the championship.

C: We will almost certainly win the championship this year.

The first flaw is a part v. whole flaw. The characteristic of having the best players doesn't ensure that this characteristic transfers up to the team. The second flaw is that the argument equates most likely to win with have a %50+ chance of winning. Take this scenario for example:

Team 1: 25%

Team 2: 30%

Team 3: 20%

Team 4: 25%

Team 3 is the most likely to win the championship, but it is more likely that they don't win (since there is a 70% chance that they don't win). These are arbitrary numbers but they embody the flaw. D is the correct answer choice because it picks up on this notion.

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PT135.S4.Q7
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Sunday, Nov 05 2017

This is an evaluate question. There argument proceeds:

There's this prehistoric Bolivian cities that were able to transport heavy stones over long distances. To try to explain this, experimenters built reed boats and transported a heavy stone under the same circumstances as the prehistoric society. They built the boat using local materials and traditional methods.

Experiments hypothesize, then, that reed boats were used in this civilization during prehistoric times to transport the stones.

The assume here is that prehistoric and traditional mean the same thing. Does prehistoric imply traditional? Maybe, but maybe not. This makes answer A correct. Knowing whether the traditional methods for reed boat building were in fact in use during prehistoric times, the argument is strengthened. If not, it is weakened.

D is a little tricky. It states "whether greed A stones are the heaviest stones at the site. This is incorrect because we don't really care if other stones are bigger than A stones. So what if they are? We just care about the A stones.

I say the answer choice is tricky because the stimulus is pretty ambiguous as to whether the "up to 40 tons" of A stones at the site is collective or just a single stone. I think it means collectively, because if not the stimulus has an even wider gaping whole since the experimenters only transported a stone weighing 9 tons. Regardless, its tricky because it does play off of this idea involving the weight of the stones in the stimulus. Its still incorrect however.

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PT135.S4.Q10
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Sunday, Nov 05 2017

This is a RRE question. The stimulus goes as follows:

On average, people have reduced the amount of red meat they eat by one-half over the last two decades. However, on average, their fat consumption substantially exceeds the fat consumption those who have not reduced their red meat consumption.

If group A reduced their fat consumption by 1/2 on average, then how can it be that group B consumes less fat on average then group A does? What explains both phenomena?

A. Incorrect... does not resolve the tension... why does group A consume more fat on average despite cutting down on red meat?

B. Incorrect for the same reason A is wrong.

C. This is a tricky answer choice because of the language used... if not carefully parsed out, it makes an attractive wrong answer choice. But C is also incorrect. It actually further confounds the tension between both phenomena. If both groups are consuming the same amount of other fatty foods, then one would expect that group A would consume less fat since they have cut down on red meat. So this doesn't explain either.

D. Correct answer choice. This explains both phenomena. Sure group A reduced their consumption of red meat but they replaced it with FATTIER foods such as cheese and baked goods. Since group B is presumably eating the same amount of red meat, this AC explains why group A is consuming more fat. Yes they cut down on red meat, but they increased their intake of other fatty foods.

E. Irrelevant.

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PT101.S3.Q18
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Thursday, Oct 05 2017

This is a necessary assumption question.

Argument: the staff reductions in a region are said to be causing those who have kept their jobs to cut back on purchases. However, actual spending by such people is undiminished, since there has been no unusual increase in the amount of money held by those people in savings accounts.

What I am looking for: the argument is suggesting that activities in savings accounts is an indicator of spending for these people. If I save x amount, I'm spending y amount. The assumption here is that there are only two places where money can go for this population. I am looking for an AC that plays on this idea.

A: Correct Answer choice. It is essentially saying that for these people, money is not going to debt collectors. If you negate, the result is "some people who have debts are paying back their debt at an accelerated rate". This wrecks the argument because now, for some people, their money is being spread out three ways. So what if the savings activity has remained constant? They are paying more of their debt off which decreases their spending in other areas.

B: Incorrect- this AC seems to weaken our argument since it introduces yet another way for these people to use their money. If this AC was rephrased as a blocking type, it would be correct.

C: Who cares what they make at new jobs?

D: No one cares about this either.

E: Incorrect, this statistic is irrelevant to our stimulus. We care about saving activity and the impact it has on spending. Who cares about sales of goods? If anything this seems to slightly strengthen our argument since there is less evidence to prove whether spending is actually decreasing or not.

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PT135.S1.Q20
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Saturday, Nov 04 2017

Flaw/ Descriptive Weakening

P1: Newspapers report only on scientific studies whose findings sound dramatic.

P2: Newspaper stories on small observational studies (generally more unreliable) are more frequent than ones with large randomized trials (generally more scientific results)

C: Therefore, a small observational study must be MORE LIKELY to have dramatic results than large randomized trials.

Gaps/ Assumptions: my attention is on the "more likely" in the conclusion. I don't think this has to be the case? what if large randomized trials are rarely done because of cost reasons? they can have the same likelihood of dramatic results its just that newspapers pick up on the small observational studies more because they are more plentiful. D is the correct answer choice because it picks up on that flaw.

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PT135.S1.Q18
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Saturday, Nov 04 2017

Block NA Question type

Each domesticated large mammal species still in existence was domesticated a long time ago. Since then, humans have tried many times to domesticate large wild animals that seemed worth domesticating.

Therefore, most wild large mammal species TODAY would either be difficult to domesticate or not worth domesticating.

Gaps/ Assumptions: this argument makes an assumption that animals that were difficult to domesticate before are still difficult to domesticate. Technology could have changed that would make domesticating animal x easier.

A. Incorrect; this is a repeat of one of our premises.

B. Correct; if we negate this, we are saying that it is now easier to domesticate wild animals, which wrecks the argument. Then how could we say that wild animals today are difficult to domesticate?

C.Incorrect and irrelevant.

D. Incorrect, we do not need to link up the ideas of difficulty and worthwhileness... this is not a bridging NA

E. Irrelevant.

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Tuesday, Oct 03 2017

Necessary Assumption

Premise: Robbins cannot dismiss Stuart's art and Robins cannot praise it either.

Conclusion: Robin's cannot pass judgment on Stuart's art.

What I'm looking for: due to the heavy use of logic indicators, I am focusing on the logical structure of the argument. What is the conditional bridge that will connect the premises to the conclusion?

A: Correct answer choice. This AC reads-

PJ → D or P

Our premises give us D and P, conclusion is PJ.... Therefore our logical bridge is (if D and PPJ)... Our AC uses demorgans law to take the contrapositive of this logical statement. It is both necessary and sufficient.

B: We do not need to link the concept of understanding with the concepts of dismissal/ praise. Incorrect.

C: This AC establishes the conditional (U → PJ). This does not bridge the conditional gap between P and C. Incorrect.

D: Incorrect- this AC does not link out premises to our conclusion.

E: Incorrect- premises is not linked to conclusion.

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Tuesday, Oct 03 2017

@ said:

You got any inspiration for a Tuesday ? ;)

Hahaha, I'll leave the Tuesday motivation in your capable hands @ !

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Tuesday, Oct 03 2017

@ said:

I will do "awesome lawyer things" ... best thing I've heard today.

Lmao a necessary reminder tbh

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Tuesday, Oct 03 2017

@ said:

Thank you, needed that!! @ you will make it and do amazing thing's one day too :smiley:

Lol yes thank you! a little perspective never hurt anyone

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Tuesday, Oct 03 2017

@ said:

"FiestaNextDoor" :smiley:

I'm not a PND fan, BUT I appreciate your wittiness. Hats off to you, sir.

Haha, it was either that or "fin de semana"

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Monday, Oct 02 2017

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A little Monday Inspiration

You will start your week off right. You will get through the LSAT. You will get your score. You will apply and get into law school. You will be a lawyer and do awesome lawyer things!

For any 7sagers out there feeling stressed/ frustrated/ fatigued/ etc, you're not alone; and you are more than your current circumstance. Keep grinding!!

Cheers,

Chris

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Friday, Sep 01 2017

@ I hear you man. One of the deterrents when approaching these questions for me is that I usually have to write out the logic so I don't mix up ideas, which ends up taking too much time. I get that "seeing it in your head" comes from hours of practice with these questions. What did you do to practice with these?

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Friday, Sep 01 2017

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Cookie Cutter LR Questions

Hey 7sagers! Happy studying to all.

Throughout the curriculum, JY talked about four LR question types that are usually so formulaic that they can become "freebies". I think he put SA, MBT, PMOR, and PFMOR in this category. I am noticing that these questions, especially when the stimulus seems long and daunting, make me have a mini heart attack lol. I want to overcome this weakness and turn it into a strength.

For those that attack these question types with confidence and accuracy, what did you do to get to that point? I want to redo all problem sets for the question types but don't know what to do aside from that.

Thanks you guys are the best!

Cheers,

CP

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