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Hi I was stuck in 159 for a while too and I found the easiest way to break in the 160s is to nail the LG. Foolproof all games from 1-35, and aim to get 0/-1 on PTs , then ultimately on test day. Good luck!

I've found this to be very true. My LG was (is) seriously lacking. Like, -10 lacking. Embarrassing to admit, but all I've done is LG for the past 3 weeks or so in order to lock in some kind of foundation. Figured considering my average PT is between 154-157, I can easily break into the 160's if I brush up on this section.

I am literally in the same exact situation as you. I registered for the November LSAT mostly because the deadline to register was fast approaching and I didn't want to be without an insurance policy if my October test turns out to be a bust. My recommendation would be to take both, unless you way outperform your expectations on the October Flex. I don't think three takes is going to be a knock on you at all. I assume you are applying to schools that have Early Decision/regular application deadlines in Dec 2020 or early 2021?

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THANK YOU ALL!

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My journey was a bit nontraditional, and took about three years in total. For most of my studying I was working a full time job. The first year was pretty bad... I'd try my best to study an hour a day, but sometimes I'd just be so tired I'd just not study. I finished JY's CC and did some PTs and was scoring around the 150s.

The second year I knew I had to change my study habits. Instead of trying to study after work, I knew I had to study before work to get the most out of my brain. So I woke up around 4am, exercised for about 20-30 minutes, and then hit the books for a good two hours each day. That's when I started scoring around the high 150s low 160s I was unemployed for about 3 months during this time and I was able to study a lot during that time. This is when I met Sami at her free tutoring sessions. Without her help, I wouldn't be where I am right now. That's one of the reasons why I also do free tutoring sessions, because I want to help out just like she did.

When the coronavirus pandemic happened in March, I knew I had to take advantage of working from home. This is when my studying became much more intense, and with Sami's help I was able to hit the low 170s. So, I registered to take the June LSAT. My last PT before June was a 170, so I felt good going into the test. Unfortunately, I received a 160. Wasn't sure what went wrong, but I tried to stay positive and was able to work with Sami until she left for law school. Here I also decided to resign and study full time for the LSAT. There were a lot of ups and downs during this time, but the best part was meeting @ and @. Their help was so invaluable to me, and I've learned so much from them. I'm so happy that I've met them and I'm so lucky to call them my friends. I eventually started scoring in the low 170s again before the August LSAT. I took the August LSAT, and unfortunately had proctor issues. I was interrupted 3 times during the logic game section and I felt so defeated. LSAC offered me a refund, but I wanted to see how I did so I didn't take it. I received a 164. The next month was pretty bad for me. I was super stressed because of a lot of external factors - one of my close family members became terminally ill, I got into a huge fight with one of my best friends, and I was dealing with some illness (not covid) that the doctors didn't know about, and were unable to diagnose. But eventually that passed and with the help of Cindy and James and their encouragement, I started studying again for the November LSAt, started hosting free tutoring sessions to help others out, and took the November LSAT, receiving a 173.

For those who are struggling, I would love to help in any way possible. I'm currently hosting free tutoring sessions that 7sagers have said are super beneficial, so I welcome you all to come as well! If there's anything else I can do to help such an amazing community, please let me know and I'll try my best to help out.

Incredibly encouraging to see you (and others, I'm sure) continue to push through less than ideal circumstances and still come out on top. I am in roughly the same situation, working full-time and dealing with some issues in my personal life just like everyone else, so I am glad to find such a relatable story. I hope to be in your position come January! Best of luck to you in all your future law school endeavors. Would definitely like to tune in to these tutoring sessions if they are still ongoing!

Kind of in the same camp because I had the same exact thing with LG. Had 8 minutes going into the last game but I think I fumbled to be honest. Had to guess on three or four questions and it kind of psyched me out for the rest of the test since LG was my first section and it set the tone. Definitely more anxious than after the November Flex.

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This is a good question. I haven’t taken the LSAT yet, but my first PT score wasn’t great. It’d be interesting to know how much you can actually improve though. I’ve read that it’s only 5 or so points but I am hoping this isn’t always the case.

I hope you don't take those words as gospel as they are very far from the truth. My initial diagnostic (granted with very little exposure to study materials) was a 143. I considered not even pursuing my law school endeavors at first and getting a refund for my PowerScore class with that score. But, my highest score now is a 159 and I'm not even close to being done studying. I started studying hard in early May, so only 3 months time. Even if you aren't fully convinced of it yourself, drill into your head that persistence and hard work will get you the score you want.

You can still apply to your target schools even if you take the September test. The schools you will apply to will see that you have a pending score and then it can always be updated later if you score higher than your 172. Unless it's financially burdensome, I would take the September test. You really don't have much to lose and you are more than capable of an even higher score.

I've gone through the same process. I was signed up for April and postponed it twice. Now I have a coupon that I can use up until April 2021 due to the ongoing circumstances. Honestly, I wouldn't stress taking it in the near future, and use this time to study as much as possible. Especially since your environment at home is unfortunately not conducive to putting forth your best effort. Unless you are planning to apply late for the Fall 2020 semester and need to take it ASAP? From what I've seen, a lot of admissions offices are extending their deadlines, so there's less pressure to take the test early on if that is what you're worried about.

Thank you for sharing this! It's nice knowing that I wasn't the only one who, on their diagnostic, had not a damn clue as to how to properly arrange and diagram a LG, or who was perplexed as to who Nisa the !Kung woman was after reading the passage 3+ times :)

Best of luck to you on your law school journey and all your other personal and professional endeavors!

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I'm at work refreshing and I feel like I'm having a heart attack. Send help.

YOU'RE ON COMPANY TIME! GET TO WORK! :D

Well now I stopped refreshing but I'm too riled up after seeing my score to focus.

I hope "riled up" in a good way!

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I'm at work refreshing and I feel like I'm having a heart attack. Send help.

YOU'RE ON COMPANY TIME! GET TO WORK! :D

To be honest with you, I wouldn't stress about studying too much, especially RC. I am of the belief that RC is already the most difficult section to improve on, even in the long term. That is because RC is a culmination of your ability to break down very dense material over the course of your lifetime really, which is something that can't be changed overnight. I'm sure throughout your high school and collegiate career (depending on your major), you were not exposed to such material on a regular basis, if at all. So, my belief is that improving in the RC section of the LSAT is more of a long-term goal. Much more than say, LG, which can be improved upon relatively quickly if you are able to 1. Recognize the game type, and; 2. Set up your game board properly.

I don't say this to discourage you, so I apologize if that's how it comes across. Sounds like you put in a lot of work over the last 3 months preparing for this test, so I hope it pays off. I would just recommend as someone who has taken the digital test already and tried cramming that you don't follow suit. Relax, maybe do some LG, or brush up on some of the basic Lawgic from the CC, and go into the test with a clear and focused mind. I think that is a prerequisite to success on such a demanding test. Also, do NOT break routine (if you have one)! Carry on like any other day.

Best of luck to you and let us know how you do!

Thank you very much for the clarification! Makes me feel a bit better :D

I took my test Sunday morning, and I guess I am the only person here that had LG, LR, then RC! Lol. LG was just about where you could expect in terms of difficulty, increasing slightly with each game. Last game I had to guess on four questions even though I got to it with a little over 8 minutes remaining. Bummer.

LR was a little more difficult than I had anticipated. At least in comparison to my October LSAT Flex. I don't think I bombed it, but I felt less confident coming out of it than other LR sections.

RC was moderately challenging, although I think the fact that I know a bit about, and enjoyed, the subject matter of the passages helped me out a little bit. Luck of the draw in that respect. I had the passage about the Big Bang Theory/ever expanding universe, and the only other topic I recall was about Japanese-American immigrants and their culture.

If you had this test, did you think it was particularly difficult in any regard? I think that overall, it was what you could expect. Hope you all did well and good luck to you!

Very happy that you've chosen to share your experience with everyone! I hope you find the time to post here often. I'm sure you could do a lot in relieving some anxieties that prospective law students alike will surely have. Best of luck to you and just keep swimming!

Oh, and I really think that if I do well enough on the LSAT, it matters less (or maybe even "not?") when I apply :smile:

I took the digital LSAT in July (undisclosed). My immediate plan after taking the test was to prepare for the November 25th test, mostly because it is the only disclosed test in the relatively near future, and I feel that I need to see where I am going wrong. Then again, I am taking the tortoise approach for Law School in an attempt to maximize my score. If your goal is for the first wave of applications, I don't think November would be optimal. Depends on your personal aspirations, though.

Will say as someone who took a full-length, in person course that the PowerScore Bible is a good supplement to reinforce what I learned - or didn't for that matter. I'm actually in the same boat as you in terms of time and it's left me unable to complete the LG section just about every time I take a PT.

I quickly learned after the conclusion of my course that I am clearly missing some things that I shouldn't be in terms of making timely inferences and the like, so I pretty much started back at square one for LG. I think for most of us LSAT folks, LG is our weakest section, but probably is the section where you can most quickly improve. I figure if I solidify this section to be around -3 at worst, I'll be in good shape. Always shooting for -0, though! Best of luck to you.

Answer choice B is just... (sigh). These test makers man.

Have they never heard of Shakespeare's, "Brevity is the soul of wit" quote?

Maybe I approach questions that are phrased like this a bit too cynically, but when I read the exact words, "knew about the danger beforehand," and an answer choice states the "city administration knew about it minutes beforehand, I feel like that is hard for me to say with the utmost confidence that this is the correct answer. Am I the only one that sees it this way? I mean obviously in the real world, if this were actually the scenario, this wouldn't even be a debate. But within the context of the LSAT where there is supposed to be rigorous logical structure and I am supposed to pay close attention to every detail? I just struggle with the fact that the wording of this question appears contradictory. With that said, I understand why the other answers are incorrect, but felt forced to guess. Maybe someone can clarify? #help

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I worry about structure too. I think one of the biggest reasons I failed so hard on the August LSAT was because I was trying to self-direct my studying too much. 7sage is helping a lot. Thank God for fee waivers.

Other than that, the only aggravatingly persistent problem I have is STILL with logic games. I average around -2 on RC and -5 on LR, and - fucking 9-12 on LG (nope, not joking). Everyone on earth talks about how LG are the easiest to improve on, but I just cannot wrap my head around them. I've been studying for six months, and it's just not happening.

Does anybody else have this issue or am I just completely useless with LG?

Favorited this post, nice to have a cohort of people taking the exam same month.

You are not alone =) My best LG section in the the last, say, 2 months or so has been -8. And only because it had the easiest sequencing game I have ever seen in my life. I suck at them, but trying. I usually do better on the tests when LG is the last section because I get way too mental when I have good reason to believe I just got cooked by an earlier Games section. Do you use any other materials to study games?

This is the kind of question that gets me frustrated. If the last sentence of Answer Choice D. read, "...and pass such works off as the work of major artists," this would have been a no-brainer. How am I supposed to make the leap from the supposed value of the paintings, and why is that at all relevant to the author's conclusion? Where in the question stem does it infer that major artists paintings were valuable? The conclusion simply states that the attributions to major artists is erroneous? I feel as if D is not fool-proof. Am I being too skeptical of the arguments? #help

I am now going to approach every single question with the utmost skepticism. 2+2 = 4, you say? Not so fast.

READ THE QUESTION STEM! Easy question if you read it right :)

Please don't feel too discouraged. My score dropped eight points on this LSAT as well, and all I really wanted out of it was an extra two points or so. Kind of upset with it, but I didn't study this much to quit on it now. Put too much time and effort into it. Take a nice break and come back to it with a fresh set of eyes and different mindset. It actually can make all the difference.

Could this be explained in slightly different terms? I understand E as explaining that, if the people who cultivate this "environment" are majority law abiding citizens, then how could criminal acts arise from a law abiding environment? In this regard, it seems to contradict an implicit principle. #help

I actually just spoke with LSAC on Thursday morning. I was told we will be able to select our test time and date approximately 8 days prior. So that would be about January 9th or 10th0ish.. I was worried about the same thing.