How important is the written portion of the LSAT? Considering admissions boards will have a personal statement, essays you've written, and so forth, how much do they really consider the written part of the LSAT? I did the written part in March, but with the June administration (which I took), it's online and optional I believe. I'm considering doing the June LSAT written portion as well since I could probably do a better job on it than the March one, but I'm wondering whether it's worth the time, since I've heard the written part of the LSAT is nearly ignored.
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@ 165, and I'd like to get into the 170s
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@ I started studying in August of last year and spent the first three or so months just doing the core curriculum. After I finished the core curriculum, I spent about a month just foolproofing all the games in PTs 1-35. After I finished with that (at this point it was the beginning of December), I began taking the full-length practice tests starting at 36. I wanted to get all of them done by March of 2019, so I took three full tests a week and took Sunday off (my mental health thanked me for this). That way I was able to get through all of the content before I took the LSAT for the first time in March.
In terms of my actual studying, I have to assume it was the same as most 7Sagers. For the full-length PTs, I timed them and Blind Reviewed them. The one difference, and this may not be a good thing to emulate, is that I found 3 PTs a week tolerable only if I split them up in half (I would do the first two sections of a PT on Monday and then the other two sections of that same PT Tuesday, and so on). I assume the downside of this is that you may lower your endurance for testing, but I can't say I noticed anything on test day and I think it was probably worth it because doing all 4 sections of a PT on the same day is GRUELING. lol
Let me know if you have any more questions! I'd love to help :)
@ About a year! I started seriously studying in August of last year.
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Your username is pretty funny btw :smiley:
This process can be grueling - I try to inject some levity when I can :lol:
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I just started learning them and they're the first type of question that has completely thrown me off... Any tips?
@ I have 42 PTs left... It's probably worth noting that I'm studying full-time until March. I was thinking I could definitely do 2 a week, which would leave me with about 10 left by the time I take the actual LSAT in March. I'm really just trying to find the optimal balance between quality and quantity
I plan on taking the March LSAT and I could get through all the PTs before then, but I am considering whether I should save at least 10 or so in case I want to also take the June or July test. What is recommended in this situation?
@ Honestly, sometimes it's hard for me to tell if I'm burned out. During undergrad I pretty much ignored my mental health, and it's been difficult to break that habit. I think I may take a bit of time off and then get back to it.
@ I'll do this. Thanks!
To you both, @ and @, do you guys think I should set aside 10 or so PTs in case I want to retake? I'm planning on taking the March LSAT and I could get through all of the PTs before then, but I think it may serve me better to save 10 or so in case I want to take June or July as well. If I didn't save any and DID still want to retake, I imagine I could get rusty not having any new material to work on (and worse yet, maybe fool myself into thinking I'm doing better than I am because of inflated scores from retaking old PTs).
PT 43 destroyed me. I missed more on LR than ever before AND I missed more on RC than ever before. By a lot. No idea why. Has anyone else experienced an off-day to this degree or am I actually burned out and just need to walk away for a few days?
I've been re-doing PTs 36-86 and my scores are obviously inflated, so I'm not sure how much I'm actually improving or even getting out of it. Would it be better to focus on PTs 0-36? I've done all the LG but I haven't done the LR/RC except for what was covered in CC. Thanks!
@-1 So the reason I was panicking is because Duke WAS my safety lol
I wrote a Why Duke but it was probably pretty weak and transparent. I won't stress about it. If something is seriously wrong with my application, I'll know because every school will reject me and I'll just apply again next year after fixing the issue. Hopefully I get into some of the t14 though.
Can somebody explain what this means? I've gathered from some that it could just be yield protection and there may be nothing to worry about, but others seem to say it could spell trouble. I'm honestly just confused. Can somebody offer me insight as to what this means and whether I should be panicking?
Game 1 from PT 34, for example. I couldn't even set up the board... Is this normal, or am I doing something wrong? I've been foolproofing exactly as 7sage says, even using 10 clean copies for each game.
@ Ok, got it! I'll be sure to review the circle games then
I know during the actual LSAT, it'll be 5 sections. Does anyone know what JY recommends? If it's recommended to use 5, I'll just take a section from an earlier PT and add it in.
JY said it wasn't a relevant game, but the video was made years ago. Curious to see if anything has changed.
Or should I wait until I'm done with all the CC to actually start foolproofing, as in doing each game several times? If the latter, I think I'll finish up the CC and then take PT 1-35 timed and then BR each one and foolproof them at the same time.
@ What a bizarre flaw. I don't think I've ever seen this type before.
https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-57-section-2-question-15/
The answer to this question is A. I understand why the other answer choices are wrong, but I have a hard time accepting A because David literally concedes Carla's premises... I don't think he can then be considered to be ignoring any part of her answer. That doesn't make any sense to me. If someone can help me out, I'd appreciate it!
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@ It's frustrating because I'm on PT 57 but my LR score is fluctuating (in my mind) by a lot. Some times it's -1/-2 on a section and then sometimes it's -5. I don't know if that is pretty standard but it's tough to swallow considering I'm already BRing thoroughly
I keep hearing that LR in the newer sections is more difficult or at least different. When does that change take place?
How much improvement did you see by the end of it? Were you going -0 on your next PT? Or was it the PTing that really solidified your LG skills?
I'm about two weeks into foolproofing and I've made a good bit of progress, but I'm curious about what other peoples' experiences have been.
I've FP'ed all the games up to this point, and I didn't do TOO badly on this game, but it definitely tested me pretty hard. The other three games were extremely standard so they weren't a problem. Are these games (like Game 3) worth focusing on, or are they so unique it will be difficult to carry anything substantial forward from them? I know JY said there were several games in PT 1-35 that are no longer very applicable, and I'm wondering if that goes for any of the games in 35 and up.
I know this seems bizarre, but I am consistently doing better on RC sections that I drill online rather than ones I have printed out from the official PTs... The only explanation I can come up with is that the printed RCs are always tiny and really dark, which makes it harder to read, which may in turn be reducing my comprehension and speed. Does anyone else experience this difference?
@ How big of a deal would it be if you, hypothetically, put off law school for another year? IF that wouldn't be a problem and you feel confidently that you can score significantly higher, I would say retake. The score you have isn't going anywhere, so at worst you can reapply next year with the same stats and likely be back where you were.
Granted, I'm a risk-taker. I just accept that things might not work out, but I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't give it a try.
For example, the necessary assumption section has 21 problem sets... Do you do all of these before moving on to the next section?
Just curious. I imagine they give you plenty, but just wanted to know
Because law school applications won't become available for at least another month or two, I'm trying to figure out roughly how much time each will take. Do all of the top 10 have additional essays, or are most applications easily/quickly filled out and submitted? Just trying to plan ahead and schedule time. Thanks!
I've been getting anywhere from 169 to 174, but those were PT35-50s
Have you taken PTs 50-83? If not, it may help you out to take them in order. I don't necessarily think the newer tests are harder, but I do think there are some subtle differences. These differences are probably easier to adjust to if you go through the PTs in order, so you make the adjustments naturally.
I believe JY said 40 is the ballpark number of PTs a student should aim to take before the LSAT, but I may be misremembering.
@ I think it may have been a number of factors. One, I had a head cold in March so I wasn't feeling my best. Two, it was my first take, so I was really nervous. Three, I got a much better night of sleep in June (probably because I didn't have a cold). Four, I think the June test wasn't easier per say, but I do think it played more to my strengths. My weakness is LG, and I'm pretty sure ALL of the hard questions were LG for my June test. Because I can miss LG whether it's hard or not, this test played to my advantage because it isolated all of the difficulty in a section I don't normally do well in regardless of difficulty, allowing me to knock out LR and RC.
I'm sure it varies from person to person. I ask because I'll be able to get through about 30 PTs before I take the March 2019 LSAT and am curious if I would be cheating myself by not doing more
PT 1: Game 3
PT 2: Game 4
PT 3: Game 2
PT 4: Game 2
PT 5:
PT 6:
PT 7:
PT 8:
PT 9: Game 2
PT 10:
PT 11:
PT 12: Game 3
PT 13:
PT 14:
PT 15:
PT 16: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3
PT 17: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 18: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 19: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 20: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 21: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 22: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 23: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 24: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 25: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 26: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 27: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 28: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 29: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 30: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 31: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 32: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 33: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 34: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
PT 35: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3, Game 4
The reason I wrote this up is because I wanted to know how many extra games I would need to foolproof before moving on. Hopefully somebody finds this helpful! Happy studying!
@ so hypothetically, if I don’t want admissions officers to see my March writing sample, I could just take the June, July, and September writing samples and it would be effectively washed from my application?
I understand that the downside to this would be that you don't necessarily get accustomed to your own confidence/accuracy (since you aren't circling specific questions to blind review), but I think it may still be a net gain because you're blind reviewing far more questions. Anyone have insight on this?
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"YOU THINK THIS IS BAD?! THIS... CHICANERY?!" :wink:
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That is INSANE! Congratulations!!!
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Agreed lol! How often (if at all) did you take timed 4-section PTs in one sitting?
Probably... twice? Lol! 36 and 37. I then realized how unsustainable it was for me - I was going to burn out in about a week. Thus, I started splitting them up over two days.
And were you just sticking to BR'ing these PTs or were you also squeezing in timed/untimed drills for your weak areas?
I used the 7Sage analytics to see which question types I was missing the most, then went back and reviewed the teaching on those question types as well as did untimed individual questions to really focus on my technique and understand the question type.
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Hi! What specific 7Sage course plan were you on?
Ultimate+! I can't overstate how excellent it is. I really think the depth of the course's coverage was necessary for me.
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How long did you study for and how many days a week/hours? and did you use 7sage all throughout ur study sesh?
I've been studying since last August! The number of hours varied per day (probably an average of about 4), but I did 6 days a week, always taking Sunday off. And yes, 7Sage only, and all throughout my studying!
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Thanks for the detailed response, Selene. It sounds like I should go ahead and submit an additional writing sample since I have the opportunity. Do you think admissions officers would read both, or just the more recent one? I can't imagine they have that much time for each applicant.
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Were you studying while in school or working PT or FT? If so, do you have any tips for managing studying and other commitments?
Unfortunately, I can't help much with this :/ I graduated college 1 year early so that I could use the next year to focus on the LSAT. That said, I did do a couple of internships, but certainly nothing that took the lion's share of my time.
The best advice I could give on this is to sit down, write out your priorities, and figure out the best schedule to reflect those priorities. When I was in high school, I was a part of a special academic program that took a TON of time, and as a result I had to ask for fewer hours at my job and I couldn't play in my church's band every Sunday. It hurt, but I knew it was worth it in the end. You just have to know your limitations and what is truly feasible for you to do.
*Disclaimer: I know nothing about your financial situation, etc., so I can't speak as to whether you have the privilege to ask for fewer hours at work and whatnot. These are just suggestions that happened to work in my life, and I hope they can be of help to you as well.
I haven't seen much info about how takers are expected to do LG on the computer, but I have to surmise it will be much different than what everyone is used to.
According to this article, a computerized version will be offered as soon as spring of 2019. Can anyone confirm or deny this information with a source?
https://www.law.com/2018/07/30/number-of-law-school-applicants-surges-especially-among-high-scorers/
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JY mentioned you two when I asked him this question. Any insight is appreciated!