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Saturday, Feb 22 2020

deireneluna951

Goal Setting: LG & BR

Hi everyone,

I recently began the logic game curriculum and have been doing the LG drill sets. As you know there are two games per set. I'm usually finishing at least game with 100% accuracy but unable to finish the second game during the ~17 minute time limit. As I continue going through the drills and blind review, I'm wondering what people suggest aiming for during the blind review of a full logic game section?

I know, ideally we should all want to reach for -0 in blind review for every section. But, for someone wanting to score in the mid 160s, what is a promising score/range for a LG blind review?

Thanks!

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Saturday, Feb 22 2020

@ Found it, thanks!

Thanks!

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Friday, Mar 20 2020

@ Thank you so much for that explanation of your journey. It gave me hope and was encouraging. This past week I've been sort of stewing about the +5 gain, I like the idea of redoing the CC and the idea of checking if I know why each answer is incorrect.

I'm reviewing my test 36 right now and I'm realizing that the first LR section was really tough for me. While the second LR was not as tough. I'm also feeling like this LR 1 section was was one of the tougher LR sections I've seen thus far. Which clearly explains why I bombed LR1.

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Monday, Feb 17 2020

deireneluna951

Logical Reasoning Breakthrough Tips

Hello all,

I've been attacking logical reasoning pretty intensely lately and blind reviewing most, if not all of my timed sections. On my good days I am scoring about 17 correct. Today I scored 20/26, which I am very happy with. However this +20 isn't consistent for me. I would say I'm usually scoring ~17/~18 more often than +20. I'd like to make the +20 consistent. Aside from BR, which I am doing, do any of you have any other suggestions to break through LR? In an ideal world I would be getting them all right but I'll settle for +20 on exam day.

Recently I started reviewing my old wrong answers more regularly. To do this, I print out a fresh copy of the test, cut out all of the questions I circled, which indicates the questions I struggled with while the clock was running. I also cut out all of the questions I got wrong. After I have my stack of issue questions, I review them again and try to answer them on my own and write down the explanation or something that I missed initially, on the back. Then, I put them all in a zip lock bag. Before I go to work and before I get home, I select a handful and review them leisurely for 10-15 minutes. I have only been doing this for a few days but I am hoping that I will find it helpful over the next couple of weeks.

I also started a "wrong answers" journal. Here I will usually write down my reasoning for picking certain answers that ultimately end up being wrong, and then I write the explanation and try to identify patterns in my poor decision making. In doing so I have found some trends. For instance, in the past I used to pick the answer choice that strengthened the argument for necessary assumption questions or MSS, for some reason. Now I don't. But this method combined with cutting out my issue questions has only made a tiny dent in my progress.

Something I have noticed is, when I am scoring 17-20 right, I get 9-10 correct of the first 10. However, I'm only getting to 21-22/25-26 questions and I'm blind guessing on the 3-4 that I do not have time for. Of these 3-4 that I do not have time for, I usually get 2-3 correct during my blind review. I will say that I am slow when answering the first 10 questions. I spend about 13-15 minutes on the first 10. I'm trying to shave this down to 10-12 minutes but I'm struggling to do so. I have found that I get hung up on 1-2 during the first 10, either because I am misreading something or because the language and wording is convoluted and trips me up mid way and then causes my delay. This seems inevitable but perhaps there is a way around this? I have tried skipping these in the past but it only gives me anxiety later on because I'm worried I skipped an easy question.

Lastly, my blind review scores are usually between 20-23 ish.

Anyone know of any additional resources or advice that really helped push them over the edge on their LR success? I'm very desperate to keep improving on LR since it has been my biggest weakness on the exam and my journey to improve on this section has been a very slow and painful one.

Thanks in advance for any advice you may have.

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Monday, Mar 16 2020

deireneluna951

Test 36 LR 1

My blind review for LR is around ~20-23 correct. My average for timed LR is about +17/19. When I took Prep Test 36, I scored 12/26 (raw) and 13/26 (BR). I'm currently reviewing the section and realizing that I'm still stumped on a lot of these questions. This section particularly seems much more difficult to me than any of the previous LR sections I've done (and I've done a lot). I recently read that Test 36 LR 1 is considered one of the more difficult LR sections but I'm wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences with this section?

I'm going to continue to review the video explanations for it and read up on the explanations for as long as I have to in order to gain full understanding. I'm just shocked that I got +12, I feel like this is not representative of how I normally perform. Initially, I thought maybe I was just nervous, but now that I'm looking at the questions, I'm realizing this section is just confusing to me for some reason.

Thoughts?

https://www.reddit.com/r/LSAT/comments/71zteo/hardest_most_difficult_lsat_sections_ever_listed/

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deireneluna951
Monday, Mar 16 2020

@ that was very helpful, thanks! That cleared up a lot for me. I'll keep this in mind. I appreciate it!!

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Monday, Mar 16 2020

@ @

Thanks for the encouragement. I can now see and envision a world where -1/-0 on games is possible. I'm going to make this a goal of mine.

Could you share with me some ideas as to fool proofing games? About 1.5 months ago when I was still learning the curriculum, I simultaneously experimented with the fool proof method for games. As suggested by JY, I fool proofed tests 18-26, I remember feeling really good about majority of them at the time, but I got wrapped up in the curriculum shortly after this. I haven't fool proofed games since.

Would you suggest redoing this set now that I have the CC under my belt?

Additionally, are there any other sets you would suggest I fool proof?

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Monday, Mar 16 2020

@

After I completed CC and full proofed about 20 suggested games (I can't recall specifics now but you can find the suggestions in a CC lecture by JY), I am confident that I can accurately complete 19-21 questions correctly untimed. At this point, I'm struggling with speed but I'm prioritizing accuracy over the games right now.

For example, on my most recent practice test (yesterday) I made it a goal to get through 3 full games accurately versus 4 full games under the time limitation. This allowed me to take some pressure off of myself since I had not yet done a full timed LG section for practice prior to my practice test.

I study before work for about 4 hours 2-3x a week and most of Saturday and Sunday. On the days I don't study before work I go through my wrong answer journal for LR. When I get questions on LR wrong, I make sure to review the question, write down why I picked my answer, if I was struggling between two and I also diagram it if I can. Then I write down what is wrong/right about each answer choice. Lastly, I read the explanation online. I have found 7Sage, Manhattan Prep and PowerScore explanations online to be helpful. I have even re printed these same I questions and cut them up into "flash card" type things and place them all in a bag. So on the days I don't study before work, I try to select as many as I can out of the bag and review it before I head out. I try to repeat this before bed on the same nights. Typically, I'm only getting maybe ~15 minutes of "studying" in on these days, but it's better than nothing I suppose. Plus, it feels less stressful to review previous work on days I only have 15-20 minutes to spare.

I work full time, so studying on weekdays are difficult. What has helped me is a strict and disciplined routine. I go to bed very early each night (between 7:30PM - 8:30PM), no exceptions. This way I can wake up as early as 3:30 AM and study 4.5 hours before work (2-3x/week, I may up it to 4x soon since I was so upset with only getting +5 on my recent practice test).

I hope this helps.

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deireneluna951
Monday, Mar 16 2020

@ I usually feel fine and unaffected after full practice test + an hour break with some food, but if you suggest more than that between the exam itself and BR please advise.

Side note, I'm only reviewing the questions I flagged during BR ~9 questions per section.

Should I be reviewing each question? I noticed someone mentioned that they do that above.

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Sunday, Mar 15 2020

@

If I do one timed LR section, I usually take a 30 minute break or so for a snack then do the BR.

Today I took an hour break after I finished the exam before I blind reviewed.

Would you suggest more time between?

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Sunday, Mar 15 2020

@ I didn’t do BR the day of the diagnostic because I didn’t know what it was. I took it before I did the curriculum.

I consistently BR everything when I’m practicing now. My BR LR is usually +22-23 and my raw LR is usually +17-20

@ how doable is -1/-0 on games. I always here success stories with ppl barely missing anything on games and I hear it’s the most doable to get -0 but it just seems so out of reach.

Side note, I have done all the core curriculum for LR, LG but not RC.

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Sunday, Mar 15 2020

deireneluna951

My raw score only improved by 5 Points...

When I took my diagnostic exam I scored a 151. With the following breakdown:

+11 LG

+17 LR

+17 LR

+14 RC

Raw Score: +59

I studied for two months and I recently scored a 154. With the following breakdown:

+15 LG (+19 BR)

+19 RC (+20 BR)

+12 LR (+13 BR) (I usually get 17-20 right when I practice timed LR and 22-23 BR)

+18 LR (+18 BR)

Raw Score +64

My BR Was +70

I'm frustrated because I only improved by 5 points. Am I being unreasonable for expecting a bigger jump? My goal is to be scoring in the 160s by June, thoughts?

I haven't looked closely at the analytics yet because my brain is fried (just finished the exam). The only thing I want to add is that I cannot believe I got +12 on the first LR section. I haven't gotten below 20 in about a month so I'm shocked by this. I'm thinking it was nerves since it was my first section. I'm not sure. I would appreciate thoughts on the +5.

Thanks!

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Saturday, Feb 15 2020

deireneluna951

Method of Reasoning Question

I'm constantly getting tripped up over some of the language in Method of Reasoning answer choices. Can someone dumb down the explanation of "an overly broad generalization" for me?

In my head, this is a statement about ALL of something based on ONE example. Whenever I see this in an answer choice I get really insecure and am hesitant. But because it "sounds good" and "applicable" I pick it under time pressure, which is not always the smartest thing to do.

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Saturday, Mar 14 2020

deireneluna951

Diagramming Unless, Except issue

Can someone help diagram the question below? I'm having a lot of trouble wrapping my head around it.

Manuscripts written by the first time authors generally do not get serious attention by publishers except when these authors happen to be celebrities. My manuscript is unlikely to be taken seriously by the publishers for I am a first time author who is not a celeb.

I diagrammed "except" the same way I would diagram "unless".

not CELEB --> FIRST TIME AU OR not SERIOUS ATTN

When I looked this up, the CORRECT diagram was:

not CELEB --> not FIRST TIME AU OR not SERIOUS ATTN

My first question, Why is it: not FIRST TIME AU?

Second, I'm having trouble diagramming the parallel argument below for the same reasons:

"Fruit salad that contains bananas is ordinarily a boring dish unless it contains two or more exotic fruits. This fruit salad has bands in it, and the only exotic fruit is a guava."

I diagrammed this as follows:

not TWO OR MORE --> contains bananas OR boring

But the correct way to diagram it is:

not TWO OR MORE --> not contains bananas OR boring

Why?

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Saturday, Mar 14 2020

@ EXACTLY! I'm struggling to identify whether the question is MSS or strengthen. How did you differentiate between the two?

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Friday, Mar 13 2020

Based on my understanding of the Q Stems Quiz, if the stimulus direction flows up, you strengthen. If it flows down, you find the MP. For example, a question stem that says, "Which one of the following, if true adds the most support to the argument?" you would find the answer choice that strengthens the argument. You accept the argument as true and find the answer choice that strengthens the argument.

For a question stem that says, "Which one of the following is best supported by the above?" Or "Which one of the following is most strongly supported by the info above?" You find the MP.

I guess the "Which one of the following is most strongly supported by the info above?" confuses me. I don't see how this flows down.

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Friday, Mar 13 2020

deireneluna951

MSS - MP or Strengthen

I thought I understood the direction of argument lesson but I just took a timed section and found myself going back and forth when I saw MSS questions. I kept getting confused on whether or not I should look for the MP or a answer choice that strengthened the argument, can someone explain?

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Friday, Mar 06 2020

Nevermind, I was looking at the wrong explanation. Thank goodness. I understand now.

I'm confused by the question stem here:

The information above provides the LEAST support for which one of the following?

When I read the explanation, it said this is a MBT question. I thought this was a MBT EXCEPT question stem.

https://forum.powerscore.com/lsat/viewtopic.php?t=9232

Admin note: edited title; please use the format of "PT#.S#.Q# - [brief description]"

Admin note: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-26-section-3-question-20/

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Sunday, Feb 02 2020

Thanks for your thought out response @

I have been keeping my old attempts and looking back at the questions I missed, randomly but not strategically per say. Maybe I will try spending 30-45 minutes at the beginning of every study session to review some of my old missed questions. I like the idea of keeping a log. I tried this in the past during the beginning of my LSAT journey but I didn't find much use from it. Perhaps it was because I was still unclear with the fundamentals at the time. I know I can score 20-22 on LR since I've done it before but only a handful of times. My average, unfortunately is 17. I would really like to break into the 20s consistently to feel safer in this whole process.

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Sunday, Feb 02 2020

Also, I'm practicing from tests 1-20 right now out of paranoia. I do not want to "waste" the good/more recent exams. Is this legit reasoning or is it smart to "save" the more recent exams for full practice test practicing purposes?

Thanks!

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Sunday, Feb 02 2020

deireneluna951

Can't break 17 on LR

I am struggling to get more than 17 right on LR consistently. I reviewed all the LR curriculum but I'm still unable to break the 17 right during timed sections. I have noticed a few trends. During timed LR I am usually getting the first 10 correct in about ~12 minutes. I usually run out of time and don't get to 3-4 questions so I blind guess on these. Of the 3-4 it's very unlikely that I get one of them right by chance. During BR I am usually able to get 3-4 correct out of the 3-4 I skipped.

My BR is usually around ~20-21 and ideally I would be scoring as close to ~21 as humanly possible! Any advice?

Also, I'm practicing from tests 1-20 right now out of paranoia. I do not want to "waste" the good/more recent exams. Is this legit reasoning or is it smart to "save" the more recent exams for full practice test practicing purposes?

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Wednesday, Sep 02 2020

deireneluna951

RC Strategy?

Does anyone have a good RC strategy?

My LR is around +22 on average. I just completed my LG strategy attack and I'm now getting +17 versus my previous +13. I'm still working on my accuracy with LG but now am incorporating RC into the mix before I take a practice test sometime this month. I'm taking about 10 minutes per passage + questions, which I know is too long, and I'm missing 10 questions on the whole section generally so clearly my 10 minutes per passage isn't time well spent.

If anyone knows of a method similar to @"Cant Get Right" LG strategy attack but for RC, please share!

Thanks!

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Tuesday, Sep 01 2020

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