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Sunday, Dec 31 2023

You will see effects, though perhaps less severe due to the slowness of this cycle. Some schools, particularly higher ranked ones, will have their classes locked in. I'd expect more WL's that would have been A's earlier on. Also if this is your only score, your apps won't be complete until the score posts in February. So lower, yes. Exponentially, no. And not to say you can't have a great outcome... I'm at a T14 via a February app. But be prepared to reapply if necessary.

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Wednesday, Jun 30 2021

dimakyure869

Don't give up.

Some of you might be disappointed with your score today. If you haven't yet, take a moment to write down everything you can recall from the test... how you felt, the difficulties you encountered, etc. This will be valuable going forward.

Now check this out: the score you want is absolutely achievable. Yes, for you specifically. Just don't give up.

I felt the same way you do right now... several times. I have 7 scores, 5 are in the 16low and below range, and just one in my target score range. The test is unforgiving, and brutally consistent at exposing your weaknesses. You just haven't figured out what works yet. What you can't see that people who have finished can (especially those of us who teach this test and remain part of this community) is that this is just one more piece of the puzzle for you. This needed to happen for you to get where you're going. Every score release I have clients who are crushed by an underperformance. Those are the same people who if they stick with it, absolutely destroy the test a few months later... I've been talking to them all morning today. People who went from almost giving up on school altogether to having a legit shot at HYS this coming cycle... people who are now withdrawing from their regional acceptances to take a swing at the T14. This happens reliably, every. single. test. The major factor that allows people to ultimately succeed? Not giving up. The rest will follow.

You want to go to law school for a reason... that goal determines the type of school you want, which determines the score range you need. Unless we compromise our goals, you just need to decide that you will do what needs to be done. Maybe it'll take longer than expected, but I'd say your dreams are worth it.

Congrats to everyone getting their scores today. Regardless of the outcome, you are now one step further along in your journey.

PT M20. Note: this test drew from the June and October '19 tests. Similar released PTs will be in the 87-89 range.

All scoring levels welcome.

Requirements:

  • Have taken the PT or at least the section you want to BR under representative timed conditions.
  • Flag or otherwise indicate the questions that gave you trouble for BR. We likely won't be doing every question on the test, just those indicated.
  • Do not check your answers. This defeats the purpose of a BR call, and reduces the potential value to be extracted. Obviously there is no one "right" way, but in this group, the call should ideally be your first look at the material since your timed run.
  • We can also explore individual issues, general LSAT strategies, and become needlessly dramatic about the new T14 rankings.

    Link to the meeting will be in this post. Venue TBD as I don't have one of those fancy school Zoom accounts. As of right now, default will probably be a google meeting so we won't have a time limit. If anyone has a school Zoom and is willing to host let me know!

    Google meet link: https://meet.google.com/uwb-vvyp-ftd

    Check back here for updates!

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    dimakyure869
    Saturday, Oct 28 2023

    Have you pulled your abstract/court records? I think that'd be the logical first step.

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    Sunday, Jun 27 2021

    dimakyure869

    When considering your June score...

    ...be sure to take into account upcoming medians, not last year's posted numbers.

    With June score release a few days away, a lot of you will soon be agonizing over whether your score is "good enough" for applications in September, or a retake is warranted. Just a quick reminder that you are heading into another unpredictable cycle, and last year's numbers are not reliable. Example: Cornell is currently sitting at medians of 168/3.86, however their average admit for the closing cycle is 172/3.89 based on self reported applicant data. Columbia is holding a 172/3.82 and admitted an average of 174/3.86. Of course this doesn't mean that everyone (or even anyone) will be jumping 2-4 LSAT points, but there is good reason to believe that in general, medians are going up. Whether schools will see the jump this year as anomalous and stick to maintaining last years medians, or see it as sustainable and try to maintain or even better their new medians I have no idea... conjecture welcome, but I think its reasonable to assume like any cycle that if higher numbers appear achievable, they will target them.

    You guys are in a weird timeframe right now where incoming class medians have yet to be released, and IMO its best to play it safe and continue to prep if there is any doubt that your score puts a target school/scholarship outcome comfortably within range. That may sound pessimistic, but you do not want to end up like people this cycle who thought they were good to go and are now looking at joining you for another cycle. There is no shortage of them at every score range. Between now and August-ish (school releases) to December (509 release) median releases, I would not want to see anyone lose valuable prep time and suddenly realize they are behind the curve. If you think you have it in you to do better, my recommendation is to play it safe and keep grinding. You can always stop if you decide it's not feasible/worthwhile.

    Contrasting opinions welcome... I'd love to see a discussion to provide everyone with a range of opinions to help with the decision making.

    Also good luck on Wednesday... no matter what happens, you all are rockstars.

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    dimakyure869
    Wednesday, Dec 27 2023

    Don’t worry about PTs until you’ve completed the core curriculum. The problem sets provide timing exposure.

    I had thought it was suggested to start timed test earlier.

    Where is this suggested?

    https://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/understanding-and-implications-of-the-new-usnwr-law-school-rankings-methodology/

    First, 3% weight will be applied to the average amount of graduate debt incurred by students in the previous year’s graduating class. Only students who have taken on law school debt will be counted in this metric. Higher average debt will hurt; lower average debt will help.

    Second, 2% weight will be applied to the proportion of a school’s graduating class who incurred law school debt. Again, higher proportions will hurt; lower proportions will help.

    To make room for these new factors, U.S. News has reduced the weighting of two categories. The “Selectivity” factors have been reduced from 25% weight to 21%. Median test scores will now count for 11.25% of rankings, median GPA will count for 8.75%, and acceptance rate will count for 1%.

    The Faculty Resources metric has been reduced from 15% weight to 14%.

    Some data to play with from LST: https://data.lawschooltransparency.com/costs/debt/?scope=schools

    School Avg Loan % of students

    Yale University $134,763 70%

    Stanford University $147,385 62%

    Harvard University $169,968 69%

    Columbia University $172,656 65%

    University of Chicago $168,429 64%

    New York University $168,745 64%

    Pennsylvania $167,993 64%

    University of Virginia $162,395 63%

    Berkeley $154,203 67%

    Northwestern $135,597 65%

    University of Michigan $126,425 72%

    Duke University $143,774 68%

    Cornell University $154,195 66%

    Georgetown $166,164 66%

    UCLA $126,164 69%

    Texas $109,189 60%

    WUSTL $101,283 65%

    USC $131,938 69%

    Vanderbilt $121,684 70%

    Spivey predictions before the new methodology was announced: https://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/2022-usnwr-law-school-rankings-predictions/

    (1) Yale

    (2) Stanford

    (3) Harvard

    (4) Columbia

    (4) Chicago

    (6) New York University

    (7) Penn

    (8) University of Virginia

    (9) University of California- Berkeley

    (9) Northwestern

    (11) University of Michigan

    (11) Duke

    (13) Cornell

    (13) Georgetown

    (15) University of California- Los Angeles

    (16) Washington University in St. Louis

    (17) University of Texas- Austin

    (17) Vanderbilt

    (17) University of Southern California

    I'm thinking Chicago edges out CLS, the current 3 way split at 9 breaks up. Just outside maybe WUSTL bumps UT. All in good fun... I think rankings come out on the 30th. Also I am apparently incapable of formatting in markdown.

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    dimakyure869
    Wednesday, Dec 27 2023

    Speed is largely a product of mastery. Having just started, focus on acquiring the core skills first. Trying to force speed now does no good because to be frank, you don’t know what you’re doing yet. You have to correct and slow before you can be correct and fast.

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    dimakyure869
    Tuesday, Dec 26 2023

    If you post a higher score in Jan it might be worth explaining the disparity (some schools explicitly ask you to), but a school will generally view you as your highest score regardless, idiosyncrasies aside. That said, I'd think really hard about pushing to the next cycle. A February app is not ideal (I was a February applicant) and a 4.0 will get you into literally any school you want if you can bring your score up.

    Sub-160 scores usually indicate foundational deficiencies, meaning you don't yet have all the tools to take the test. Also meaning that many of those missing points can be picked up fairly quickly. A 10 point test day penalty is big but not unreasonable in that scoring range where we expect more volatility.

    Unless school choice and scholarships are of no consequence, I'd recommend trying for a higher LSAT and putting that GPA to better use. Feel free to message if you want some troubleshooting.

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    Tuesday, Mar 23 2021

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    In @ Cornell

    @"Lucas Carter" where are you? Tell me everything!

    5 down, 9 to go... 2 A's, 3 R's, and a WL. If anyone else was crazy enough to apply late in this wild cycle, there's hope!

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    Tuesday, Feb 23 2021

    dimakyure869

    Reach out if you need help.

    This is not an inspirational post. This great community has plenty of that... just do a search. I suppose it's a request.

    I've had a couple worrying and heartbreaking conversations with students/applicants this past week. These are challenging times; this test can seem insurmountable, this application cycle sucks, and people, in general, can be dicks.

    But you are not your score, GPA, or admissions outcomes. Your worth isn't defined by the approval of others. Realize that if you've decided that you will succeed, nothing will stop you. Anxiety and stress happen when we worry about things we cannot control. We cannot control how a school goes about admissions decisions, family negativity, or how easily this test comes to us. We can control our health (moral, physical, and mental), our personal development, engagement in our passions, and relationships with others. No event or circumstance is inherently good or bad... it's our reaction that makes it so. As important as it seems now, this test and your applications cycle will ultimately be just another blip in the great story of your life. When we look back, what will matter is how we handled ourselves and how we reacted to circumstances that were less than ideal.

    Sometimes it's hard to see those things, and thats ok. If you need help... if you are considering self-harm or some action of significant consequence that cannot be undone, reach out for help. This is one of many standard crisis hotlines:1800273TALK.

    I cannot post contact info in the forum, but if you are reading this and need someone to talk to, DM me. I promise I will get back to you. If this post is still up, the offer stands. Whether you just lurk on this forum or post like an all-star. Whether its your first day here or third year. No matter what you're struggling with. I fought in Afghaistan and was an EMT, police officer, and counselor. Nothing you can tell me will be weird. If you feel like you have no place to turn to, please, as a favor to me, send me a message and lets talk.

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    dimakyure869
    Friday, Dec 22 2023

    Many people forget that its a comparative selection. You don't need a good answer... just the least worst. You can also have several answers that weaken and answers that would be correct if the correct answer weren't there. You can have 5 incredibly bad answers... one will still be correct. Keep that in mind and combine with a solid question type strategy, e.g., make the conclusion less likely to follow from the premise, and a solid standardized LR attack (e.g., translate, articulate, prephrase, and hunt). Also stuff like your common flaws, scientific method, causal reasoning and conditional logic should be automatic.

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    dimakyure869
    Sunday, Oct 22 2023

    Your LSAC GPA is in your Academic Summary Report, toward the bottom under "Cumulative GPA." That is the number that matters.

    Credentials & CAS --> View Transcript Status --> Academic Summary Report

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    dimakyure869
    Monday, Aug 21 2023

    Do they have some kind of idiosyncratic prompt? David has a lot of excellent PS examples in the admissions materials and podcast.

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    Wednesday, Apr 21 2021

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    How many pencils does it take to perfect LG?

    For me it takes 10 (and 1/8th?) Dixon Ticonderogas in black (bc the erasers are better and black is cool). Just cleaning some stuff out and remembered I'd been saving these in my "used" pencil shot glass... just the ones I used on games. Different way to visualize that while we can tweak methods for individual efficiency, and it may seem hopeless sometimes, you ultimately just need to put in the work and have faith in the process. Eventually, maybe like 10 pencils in (or likely less for anyone besides me), you'll get there.

    https://i.postimg.cc/135FkHCP/IMG-3646-2.jpg

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    dimakyure869
    Friday, Oct 20 2023

    You should be reviewing (ideally in writing) your performances and drilling to address the deficiencies that caused that score. You can't just keep taking PTs and expect to miracle yourself to a higher score. Think of any other performance activity... playing an instrument, a sport, a martial art, driving a car. It's not enough to see what you did wrong. You need to train, such that your brain builds connections that allow you to perform at a higher level the next time. Just watching a video and saying oh I get it allows you to remember that you made the same mistake again for the 10th time on a similar question. But thats not helpful.

    Use your analytics to identify problem areas. Review to (1) ensure you understood the content, (2) identify where you reacted to that content in a less than ideal way, and (3) output an actionable plan to improve. Then execute your plan to a predetermined benchmark. Only then do you have a reason to take another PT—you expect that you've improved, uncovering the next level of issues to work out. Otherwise you're just burning content.

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    dimakyure869
    Friday, Oct 20 2023

    LG is almost a free section to anyone who puts in sufficient time. The main barrier is a psychological one as it never feels like you'll make it. Given this move, I'd be interested to see if they also do away with LR questions that lend themselves to diagramming.

    Interesting how we've come full circle back to 2 graded LR sections. I've been in it long enough to remember 5 section paper tests where you did 6 section PTs for stamina and people were taping phones to their heads to video their PT takes. My first official test was LR LR LG RC RC... did not go well.

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    dimakyure869
    Friday, Oct 20 2023

    I wouldn't worry about that until you have your Nov score. You don't have the info required to make that decision yet. Maybe your Nov score is viable but you think you can do better. Maybe you bomb or have to cancel. Maybe you nail it and it becomes a non-issue. Focus on realizing the last outcome for now. Stress is worrying about things that are beyond our control... and that takes away from what you should be doing right now.

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    dimakyure869
    Sunday, Aug 20 2023

    Good to see you around still! No definite answers here and mandatory "I'm not an attorney and this is not legal advice" but some considerations:

    A new app may ask if you've assented to any deferral contracts. The bar you ultimately apply to will have access to your law school application.

    I've never heard of the bar pulling apps other than the one for the school(s) you attend, not to say they couldn't get them. Inconsistency between school applications and bar applications are a major flag.

    I've never heard of a school going after someone for breach, but sure they could. It would not be difficult for someone from one admissions office to figure out what you did if they were so inclined.

    admissions offices don't talk to each other nearly as much as some people seem to think or imply... but they can and sometimes do. There is definitely a non-zero risk of having your deferral yanked and then not getting into the new school.

    the questions for my bar's moral character component would not have captured this issue... others may. You can look up a state bar's C&F app. Be careful of broadly worded questions as you would not want to omit something reasonably covered by the call of a question.

    one thing you absolutely do not want to signal to the bar is dishonesty.

    my GPA/LSAT are right at the 25% for this school

    The deferred school or the one you want to apply to? Either way, I'd say that weighs toward sticking with your current acceptance... if the latter, slightly more so.

    Efficient breaches happen all the time and your reasons and the particular schools are also significant factors we can't evaluate here that likely change the balance. But for me at least, given the info available, this seems a bit too risky.

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    Sunday, Aug 20 2023

    They will be able to see the pending test date as well as the new score when it posts. How a school treats that depends on the individual admissions office. Schools can default to progressing with the current score or a hold pending the new score. I would assume ED programs tend not to hold. Most programs (but not all) allow you to request the other (non-default) option. But best to call and verify.

    Couple points you didn't ask about...

    ED is generally a bad idea IMO unless it includes an acceptable-to-you scholarship. A strong applicant is a strong applicant regardless of ED status and the fact that you apply ED does not make up for sub-median stats. In other words if you don't have the numbers, ED isn't helping, and if you do have the numbers, you don't need to apply ED. ED is good when signaling yield is important, like when you really want to go to a school that may see you as a yield risk, or you are playing the long game on a reach school, signaling yield for a waitlist pull. Regardless, you are giving up all negotiating power.

    By Feb (when your Jan score posts) many schools will be full. I was a Feb applicant and the effect was substantial. But good outcomes are definitely still available and every cycle is different.

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    Thursday, Aug 19 2021

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    Quick PSA from the other side...

    Like many if not most (all?) of you, I heard many times about how the LSAT isn't really useful in law school, just a rough predictor of 1L grades, you just have to do it to get in, etc.

    That is a fucking lie.

    I've lost count of how many times I've thought or written in my notes this week, "oh, just like the LSAT" particularly when it comes to translating dense material, and critically examining the reasoning behind decisions. Not only is it not irrelevant, I would say a great deal of it is directly applicable. Unless my school is some weird radical outlier (narrator: its not) expect to use the skills you're honing now. Hopefully that motivates you to put the time in and learn this stuff the right way. It'll not only help your score and therefore your admissions outcomes, but also your potential understanding of the material, and ability to examine and destroy hypotheticals and pick apart issues, therefore your test scores, therefore your grades, therefore your job outcomes...

    Not that you can't rock law school without having learned this stuff previously, but damn its so much of the same skills. Maybe that we believe these skills don't translate over says more about the type of prep many people/companies push, or why the test seems so difficult to us.

    All scoring levels welcome. Flex test version.

    Requirements:

  • Have taken the PT or at least the section you want to BR (section 4, the 2nd LR section will not be addressed) under representative timed conditions.
  • Flag or otherwise indicate the questions that gave you trouble for BR. We likely won't be doing every question on the test, just those indicated.
  • Do not check your answers or review questions No exceptions. This defeats the purpose of a BR call, and reduces the potential value to be extracted. Like seriously, don't show up if you do this. BR calls are not for impressing people. I would be more than happy to go over any questions with anyone regardless at another time, but please don't do this in a BR group. Obviously there is no one "right" way, but in this group, the call should be your first look at the material since your timed run.
  • For those looking to review with people above/below/at your scoring range, I have an official 172. My last 5 PTs have been a steady 176/180BR. Last 10 average 173.

    We can also explore individual issues, general LSAT strategies, commiserate on this wack ass cycle, and talk about @"Burden.of.Floof" 's cat.

    Link to the meeting will be in this post. Venue TBD as I don't have one of those fancy school Zoom accounts. As of right now, default will probably be a google meeting so we won't have a time limit. If anyone has a school Zoom and is willing to host let me know!

    DONE PT 69 FLEX 3/22/21 @5pm EST Google meet link: https://meet.google.com/vxg-gysc-ptu.

    Check back here before the call for updates!

    UPDATE: PT69 section 4 LR (second LR section) BR call - Wednesday, March 24th, at 6pm EST. Refer to @"Law and Yoda" 's post below

    Same structure as Monday's BR session (please review original post guidelines)

    Thank you @lwilliams for creating a zoom link and allowing me to host!

    Looking forward to seeing you all again!

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    dimakyure869
    Monday, Sep 18 2023

    @ said:

    @ said:

    @ Great post... good to see you in here. Funny how some of us keep hanging around. I think it says a lot about how great this community was for us. What market you headed to?

    Absolutely man.. love 7sage

    Going to NYC what about you?

    Los Angeles! Commercial litigation.

    ...here in the discussion forum as well as in the explanation video comments. That means the hard ones you don't wan't to answer. The ones from earlier PTs that don't have videos to check your understanding before posting. The ones about RC you don't want to do because you don't want to read the passage or maybe you're not even sure you understand it.

    This is one of the highest value things you can do for your prep. There is no better way to learn and test your understanding of a concept than to try to teach it to someone else. You all should be pouncing on these questions as soon as you see them come up... like they shouldn't last 5 minutes going unanswered. It is beneficial for you, the person asking, and the community as a whole.

    Be brave and push yourself. Seek to be proven wrong, don't avoid it. We improve the most at the threshold of failure.

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    Thursday, Jan 18 2024

    @ said:

    @ - is URM on the basis of ethnicity / race still relevant for the application process?

    Yes

    Would being a first generation college student entail being a URM (e.g. parent's highest-level being high school)?

    No, though it would likely still be a favorable fact.

    Also to the preceding comment, addendums are great for explaining anomalies that would otherwise leave an app reader with questions and provide a nice opportunity to succinctly exhibit your writing and additional facets of your background. But having (1) worked with admissions offices, (2) friends who are/were admissions officers, and (3) helped dozens of applicants compose applications, I'd advise against any illusions that an addendum is going to carry sub-median stats to an admit. Is that always true? Of course not. Might they carry the day for the right app reader? Sure... but don't bet on it.

    Admissions are a business, and stats are by no means dispositive but they typically control. No one is saying, "oh, this person has an excuse for their low GPA/LSAT so lets take the hit." A better strategy IMO is to use circumstances that contribute to low numbers as positive events to relate your strengths... ideally coupled with a higher LSAT score.

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    Tuesday, Jan 16 2024

    Unfortunately not great, though better if you are a URM. Ideally get your LSAT up. Failing that, invest in your essays and apply broadly... I'd expand beyond the T14. Your numbers aren't bad and work experience is great, but below median is below median. That's a heavy lift for the rest of your app.

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    Wednesday, Feb 14 2024

    So long as your app doesn't flag maturity issues, you'll be fine with good stats. Maybe just make sure your ECs are decent to show some kind of experience. I'm at a T14 that skews younger. One of my clinic partners is graduated UG at 17, did a masters, and will be 21 when he gets his JD. We also regularly admit UG juniors as part of a 3+3 program. I think plowing through school "early" is fine for professionals that know what they want to do.

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    Sunday, Jan 14 2024

    Don't try to cram it all in. Write about one maybe two things well. It shouldn't read like a resume, manifesto, or life chronicle, but an engaging story about an event that compels your reader to think a certain way about you. You can tie events together but don't force it. Your entire app paints the broad picture of who you are. Your PS uses a discrete story to provide insight and also serves as a writing sample. It isn't to cram your whole life's story into.

    Also keep in mind that legal writing is crisp, punchy and concise. Concision is a skill—a highly valued one in this profession. Unless you're submitting to Berkeley, no weird 4 pagers. Stick to 2 pages. Use 12 point font, no cheating the spacing and margins. I review essays now and those tricks are noticeable and make me wonder why you had to resort to tricks instead of just editing. And trust me when I say you do not want to saddle your reader with a wall of text jumping from one event to another. Pay attention to the cognitive burden you impose, because it affects how a reader perceives your essay. Your essay should be engaging, like a good book you can't put down. Not a chore. Of course this is all subjective. You may get an app reader that doesn't care... but I woudn't risk it.

    You can also save your military experience for a DS... thats what I did. I'm a T14 3L, former tutor here, writing instructor for our LLM program and the university, law review editor, and have racked up a few national bar association essay scholarship wins. Feel free to reach out if you have questions... happy to help another vet/7sager.

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    Saturday, Jan 13 2024

    @ said:

    @ Really?!?

    I used LSAC to find the school that fits my UGPA/LSAT & it listed about 18 schools that I have over 50% chance to get in. So I thought I can get in somewhere at least.

    LSAC has a pecuniary interest in getting you to apply to schools.

    And even if that were the case, that "somewhere" would likely be somewhere predatory. You don't want to find yourself with loads of debt and no job. But really, a sub-150 score is just not viable. The test is learnable... get that score up.

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    Monday, May 13 2024

    @ said: Woah, CONGRATS!!!!! Time really flies—I feel like we were JUST brainstorming essay topics last week. Thanks for letting us be part of this chapter, it's been a pleasure. Wishing you the very best of luck with everything that comes next!

    It does. Thanks Nora... I definitely couldn't have done it without you!

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    Monday, May 13 2024

    @ said:

    I'm so happy for you!

    Thanks man. Bro... Jackson still talks about you to this day.

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    Monday, May 13 2024

    @ said:

    Hey I am very interested in joining and just want an idea on how to even approach this course. Currently I am thinking about going through all the curriculum(I have 8 hours a day to spend on this), taking a diagnostic test, seeing where I am at, going to sign up for either a class or coach version, take drills and get a custom study plan. Is this a good plan, what plan do you suggest? I also want to know how do i know when to take my prep tests, do you guys offer any type of timing or anything so i can know whether or not I am taking an exam to early or too late. Also what is the difference between the coach plan and a private tutor. I mainly just want to have a structured plan (without me having to guess when I have to take a exam etc) while also getting real feedback?

    I'll defer to someone more familiar with the current version of the site. But generally, a class is going to give you the same review of foundational concepts you'd get in the core curriculum, so doing one right after seems redundant. Once you collect all the conceptual tools required to take the test, I think it becomes more of a performance task... like a sport or playing an instrument, where the question changes from "do you know" to "can you do." That is where individualized instruction can be useful.

    IMO, PTs are for when you've done adequate work to expect a performance increase. They're to provide data on the efficacy of your methods much more than they are a means of improving in and of themselves. You'll get different opinions on this but I don't think unpurposed content consumption is the best way to improve.

    I'm sure someone else more qualified will be along shortly to give you a better answer.

    I was a community college to state school grad that pieced together a bachelors degree from random credits and studied for the LSAT while working and supporting a family. I started with a 154 and took the LSAT seven times. My application was a C&F nightmare and reading the first personal statement I applied with makes me cringe so hard I get a headache.

    This community, including @"J.Y. Ping", @"David Busis", @"Cant Get Right", @Mike_Ross and way too many other people to mention, helped me unfuck my approach to this test and admissions. @"Nora Miller" basically got me into law school and set me on a path to become the somewhat serviceable writer I am today. Three years later, I've won multiple national bar association essay competitions, published with HLS, and worked as a law review editor. I've taught written advocacy for our LLM program and at our local prisons, and worked death penalty cases that I'll (hopefully) be taking with me as part of my pro bono practice. I've CALI'ed four classes and "passed" the UBE with an approximate 98th percentile score. Doing a second non-UBE bar exam before heading off to a big law litigation job.

    Hopefully that doesn't sound too pretentious. The points I'm trying to make are (1) that if I can do it, anyone can do it... including you, and (2) I wouldn't have achieved any of that without 7sage and the great people here—the people I learned from, the people who allowed me to tutor them (a great way to improve your own understanding of the test), and the people who were willing to candidly tell me all the ways my application sucked or how dumb my essay about surfing in Boston was.

    Do hit me with any questions, but like most people who pass through 7sage, my time here is probably done after this. Besides, I think I have to retire the username now that I haz JD. Make use of this great community, help each other out, and don't give up.

    It's been real. Thanks 7sage.

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    dimakyure869
    Friday, Jan 12 2024

    Anecdotally, no. I'm at a T14 with several part time (and community college) semesters, and have several classmates and colleagues with less traditional transcripts. And if there were a risk, say for faculty review at Yale, it's so subjective that theres no way to predict. GPA matters far more than anything else.

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    Monday, Feb 08 2021

    dimakyure869

    Free Tutoring

    Hello good people... I'm going to try something different this time. I've set up a coupon code on my booking portal that I'll keep open for a limited time today, and cut it off when I reach capacity. It'll be one time use and allow you to book a "standard session" free of charge. It'll be 1 hour... I usually go longer for tutoring sessions but for these we'll try to keep it at an hour to fit more people in.

    https://parabellumlsat.as.me/

    Hopefully this will allow better access than my usual last minute offerings...

    ...which I'm also doing again as well. If you are free between now and 8 pm EST and would like to talk LSAT or throw some questions around, let's hit it! If this is up, I'm still open.

    Code is: removed

    Edit: Done for now so I can control volume. Will likely open back up later. Appointment for today is still open!

    Hey all. Getting ready to head off to Cornell on Monday, and while I expect to be checking back in from time to time, I'm sure I'll be much less present from here on out. I don't have a "here's all the stuff I learned" post for you, as that's just not me, but to leave you all with one thing: this test is absolutely conquerable... yes, even for you. Just don't give up.

    Final office hours... open discussion and August test run-up - 8/8/21 @12pm EST - TBD. Apologies in advance if I'm a bit haggard... I'll be waking up pretty early to be able to do this and hopefully jump start my transition from Hawaii time to EST.

    Google meeting link: https://meet.google.com/njn-rgvd-ouo - timed out... use link below.

    2nd link: https://meet.google.com/hyd-swsh-zek

    Edit: Thanks everyone!

    Continuing this discussion: https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/29007/what-to-do-in-your-last-week

    Commiserate amongst ourselves and some last ditch efforts toward those target scores. Let's spend an hour or so getting this out of our systems and transitioning into fuckin kill mode.

    Tentative link (check back prior to meeting):

    canihazJD is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom google meeting.

    Topic: AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

    Time: Jun 7, 2021 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

    https://meet.google.com/dvm-fcqm-pky. DONE! Thanks everyone!

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    Friday, Jun 04 2021

    dimakyure869

    What to do in your last week.

    Of course this isn't a one size fits all thing. We all learn differently and different routines benefit each individual, but if anyone needed some direction, here are some tried and true practices for your last week before test day. Take and use what suits you. You guys are fucking warriors and you got this.

    Take 1-2 more PTs the weekend prior to test week... so like this weekend. I normally advocate for 1 PT/week, in order to give you time to extract the maximum value from the material through deep review, but here we are looking for a last minute push in volume of exposure to identify any residual weaknesses, and a final polish on our stamina. Take them at your scheduled test time with the exact setup/conditions you will have on test day.

    Review everything that gave you trouble - not just wrong answers. More than on the content, focus specifically on what caused you to get this question wrong, and what specifically you can do this week to prevent you from making the same mistakes. Be specific. Saying something like "oh I got a lot of flaw questions wrong so I'll just work on those" is only a little better than saying "my score is too low so I'll just make it higher," why are they giving you trouble? What specific actions will help you address it?

    Focus on LG. In my opinion, this section has the best potential for a last minute breakthrough. This is especially important if you are not consistently going -0 on games.

    If you haven't yet, get on a schedule that centers around your test time. Make sure you will be rested even if you fail to get a good night's sleep the night before the test. Account for natural cognitive fatigue - if you have an afternoon time, maybe plan a nap or some downtime into your late mornings this week.

    Pay attention to what you consume. Nutrition matters. You want a good balance of complex carbs, protein, and omega-3 fatty acids. My pre-test fave was salmon. Hydrate throughout the week so that you don't have to worry about it the morning of the test. The last thing you want is to chug a bunch of water and then have to go to the bathroom mid-section.

    Work out. Physical activity improves learning. If you aren't a physically active person, maybe go for a walk or something each morning.

    Minimize stress. Focus on relaxation. Don't take on any new stressful projects or get into fights with your family/partner. Stress is a performance killer in so many ways.

    No drastic changes. If you're not a coffee drinker, now is not the time to start. If you are a smoker, now is not the time to quit. Whatever homeostasis is for you, that is your foundation for good performance in the next week.

    Check your setup. Get on the ProctorU chat, and have them run you through an equipment check using your exact test day setup. One less thing to worry about. Also collect all the items you will need... ID, pencils, paper, earplugs, etc. Prepare your room, and make any necessary arrangements with friends/family (be out of the house, off the internet, watch the dog, stfu, etc.) ahead of time. You want to avoid any last minute stress and ease your overall cognitive load as much as possible.

    Get your mind right. Meditate and practice positive affirmations. I am the least new-agey person you'll meet but whatever... this works. Don't stress about the right way, just do it. A 10 minute guided meditation (I liked Khan Academy's videos) every day did wonders for me. Remind yourself that you put in some good hard work for this, and you are well equipped to succeed on this test. You are confident and in control. No matter what you are going to beat this test so it might as well submit to you now. Visualize a successful performance on test day. You will be prepared, and zen AF, and ready to just destroy this test. Efficiency is the balance of speed and accuracy, and you will achieve this through economy of effort... slow and methodical when needed and explosive violence of action where allowed. If your first section is LR, you will be critical, smooth, read for understanding, and rely on your strategies. If it is RC you will read as fast as you can understand and translate as you go, summarizing each paragraph and maintaining a critical mindset as you attack the questions. In games you will remember your form and remember to push rules together. You will articulate exactly what criteria the stem gives you for your answer choice. You will skip aggressively and eliminate ACs aggressively because we don't have time for that nonsense. If you get stressed you will put your pencil down, close your eyes and take a few deep breaths. During breaks you will visualize my attack on the remaining sections and relax. Or something like that. Don't wait until the morning of... start now.

    For the love of god take a break. If you do any one thing in the run up to the test, make sure you don't try to cram. You will burn out and waste all the months of hard prep you put in. Take at least a couple days off. For some people a few days off followed by a light day of prep before the test works. For others a break right up to test day with a good warmup the morning of is better. You know yourself best.

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    dimakyure869
    Sunday, Dec 03 2023

    This may or may not apply to you but it's worked for many of my students still missing those last few points. Speed work on easy stuff.

    A lot of those last few points are careless errors which typically go unnoticed when committed. So being able to blast through that first game or those level 1-3 questions gives you more time for another look at your work. This test is about efficiency, which is a balance of speed and accuracy. So when you are as accurate as you can be say on that level 1 sequencing game, ask if you are also going as fast as you could be, i.e., picking up those points in the most efficient way.

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    dimakyure869
    Sunday, Dec 03 2023

    Your scoring should call your timeline. I wouldn't retake until you reasonably believe you can achieve your goal score. What you've been doing so far isn't working. What will you do differently this time?

    Sub-150 scoring typically indicates issues with foundational concepts. The CC (or any basic course/prep system/book) should get you into the high 150s. But you have to (1) do the work, to the point that you (2) actually understand the concepts.

    Reviving this excellent resource so we can add to it and keep it alive. Credit to @alyhobbs and the 3 years ago crew. Hope you all are killing it wherever you are.

    Original thread: https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/16979/help-with-flaw-type-examples

    Will be adding to this but hey, don't make me do all the work... please post your examples up (especially for unaddressed categories) and I'll add them to the OP. It would be sweet if you copied the general format that follows too so I can just copy and paste. I'll credit you and you can be immortalized in the sage archives for all time.

    Future 7sagers: please do continue to do this... copy what follows and make it your own. Please credit the original poster below and carry the flame.

    @alyhobbs wrote:

    Hey everyone, I am having a hard time with Flaw Questions. I know we are supposed to memorize the common argument flaws but that is where my struggle is. I am very much a visual/example type of learner. When going through the flaw types I realized it would really help me to understand and memorize them if I had examples. So I have been going through PTs and Drills that I have done trying to match them up with the flaw types and could use some help. Some I am able to easily match up to the type of flaw and others I am not. I have listed the different types below, some have specific question examples and then underneath I have a list of questions I need help matching. If anyone knows of any specific PT questions that match up with the other flaws please let me know so I can add them to my list. I hope this can also help others that struggle with flaws.

    Flaw Types with Example Questions

    1) Attacking the source of the argument

    PT19S2Q14 *Thanks keets993

    "rejects a claim by attacking the proponents of the claim rather than addressing the claim itself"

    PT25S4Q04 *Thanks keets993

    "assails legislation on the basis of the questionable character of supporters of the legislation"

    PT39S4Q11 *Thanks keets993

    "diverts attention from the content of the article by focusing on the writers' actions"

    2) Uses terms unclearly/equivocation

    PT25S04Q17

    "The argument ambiguously uses the word "afford""

    PT53S1Q12 *Thanks keets993

    "ambiguity of risk"

    PT59S2Q15 *canihazJD

    "the meaning of a key term shifts illicitly during the course of the argument"

    PT22S2Q24 *Thanks keets993

    "draws a conclusion based on equivocal language"

    3) Analogies that really aren’t analogous enough

  • PT24S3Q02 *Thanks keets993
  • "It relies on an analogy between two things that are insufficiently alike in the respects in which they would have to be alike for the conclusion to be supported"

    4) Appealing to authority in an area outside their expertise

    PTJ07S2Q17 @WickedLost @"Granger Danger"

    "The argument relies on the testimony of experts whose expertise is not shown to be sufficiently broad to support their general claim"

    PT20S4Q20 @"Granger Danger"

    Parallel flaw with classic appeal fallacy.

    5) Causation confusions

    PT47S3Q23

    “It takes for granted that if a correlation has been observed between two phenomena, they must be causally connected”

    PT30S2Q25 *Thanks keets993

    "because hormone levels are correlated with heart disease they influence heart disease"

    PT47S1Q23 *Thanks keets993

    "ignores the possibility that an increase in theta waves may not always be accompanied by a state of profound creativity"

    PT18S4Q9 *Thanks keets993

    "It mistakes a correlation between the type of brain damage described and Parkinson's disease for a causal relation between the two"

    PT39S4Q20 *Thanks keets993

    "overlooks the possibility that the same thing may causally contribute both to education and to good health"

    PT20S1Q10 *Thanks akistotle

    "ignores the possibility that drivers who drive recklessly have a preference for red cars"

    PT20S4Q14 *Thanks akistotle

    "It concludes that one thing was caused by another although the evidecnce given is consistent with the first thing's having caused the second"

    PT30S2Q25 *Thanks akistotle

    "Because hormone levels are correlated with heart disease they influence heart disease"

    PT31S2Q9 *Thanks akistotle

    "offers no evidence that the individuals queried would have responded differently had they been asked the same questions in years prior to the survey"

    PT64S1Q5 *Thanks akistotle

    "dogs' misbehavior is the cause of, rather than the result of, frequent discipline"

    PT65S1Q8 *Thanks akistotle

    "illicitly infers a cause from a correlation"

    PT66S4Q25 *Thanks akistotle

    "foods containing fiber also contain other substances that, when consumed, tend to prevent colon cancer"

    PT89S4Q15 *canihazJD

    “surmises from the fact that two phenomena are correlated that one causes the other”

    6) Circular Reasoning

    PT17S2Q2 *Thanks keets993 and akistotle

    "draws a conclusion that simply restates a claim given in support of that conclusion"

    PT17S3Q20 *Thanks keets993 and akistotle

    "assumes what it sets out to conclude"

    PT6S3Q8 *Thanks akistotle

    "It assumes what it seeks to establish"

    PT24S2Q8 *Thanks akistotle

    "presupposes the truth of the conclusion it is attempting to establish"

    PT49S2Q23 *Thanks akistotle

    "The purported evidence that it cites in support of its conclusion presumes that the conclusion is true"

    7) Confusing necessary and sufficient conditions

    PT63 S1 Q25

    “infers that something that is sufficient to provide a motive is necessary to provide a motive”

    PT22S2Q25 *Thanks keets993

    "confuses a sufficient condition with a required condition"

    PT17S2Q11 *Thanks keets993 and akistotle

    "It mistakenly interprets P to be claiming that a factor assures, rather than is necessary for, a legislator's effectiveness"

    PT17S3Q9 *Thanks keets993

    "does not establish that only a bird could have made the track"

    PT18S4Q3 *Thanks keets993

    "Grass seeds will not germinate well unless they are pressed firmly into the ground. The grass seeds sown in this yard were pressed firmly into the ground, so they will germinate well"

    PT22S4Q21 *Thanks akistotle

    "presupposing that if an action's having a certain property is necessary for its being a certain type of action, then having that property is sufficient for being that type of action"

    PT23S2Q19 *Thanks akistotle

    "taking the nonexistence of something as evidence that a necessary precondition for that thing also did not exist"

    PT23S3Q17 *Thanks akistotle

    "mistakes being sufficient to justify punishment for being required to justify it"

    PT24S2Q23 *Thanks akistotle

    "From the assertion that something is necessary to a moral order, the argument concludes that that thing is sufficient for an element of the moral order to be realized"

    PT30S4Q14 *Thanks akistotle

    "It mistakes something that is necessary for its conclusion to follow for something that ensures that the conclusion follows"

    PTJ07S3Q25 *Thanks akistotle

    "confuses a condition's being required for a given result to occur in one case with the condition's being sufficient for such a result to occur in a similar case"

    PT64S1Q24 *Thanks akistotle

    "confuses a claim that under certain conditions a certain action should be taken with a claim that the action need not be taken in the absence of those conditions"

    PT67S2Q09 *Thanks akistotle

    "treats a statement whose truth is required for the conclusion to be true as though it were a statement whose truth ensures that the conclusion is true"

    PT68S3Q21 *Thanks akistotle

    "takes for granted that the speech could not be inappropriate if it was not inflammatory"

    PT89S4Q20 *canihazJD

    "mistakes necessary conditions for sufficient condition"

    8) False dichotomy

    PT22S4Q09 *Thanks keets993

    "treats two things, neither one of which can plausibly be seen as excluding the other, as though they were mutually exclusive"

    PT38S1Q11 (Thanks to @"Slow is Fast" for finding it!) @"Burden.of.Floof"

    "fails to consider that some students may be neither fascinated by nor completely indifferent"

    PT39S4Q26 *Thanks keets993

    "Since there is a storm moving in, the outside temperature cannot rise this afternoon. Therefore, it must fall."

    PT59S3Q20 @cldennis94

    9) Confusing probability for certainty

  • PT54S4Q16 *Thanks keets993
  • "It takes for granted that the economic incentive to construct colonies on the Moon will grow sufficiently to cause such a costly project to be undertaken."

    10) Confusing "is" for "ought"

    PT60S3Q16 *thanks @"cole.davis10"

    "Takes for granted that preserving a currently endangered species in a habitat does not have higher priority than preserving species in that habitat that are not endangered"

    11) Percentages v. quantity

  • PT39S2Q5 (not a flaw question but RRE) *Thanks keets993
  • "Far more pedestrians cross at corners than jaywalk"

    12) Surveys and samplings to reach a general conclusion

    PT 63S1Q3

    “It relies on the opinions of a group unlikely to be representative of the group at issue in the conclusion”

    PT51S1Q4

    “fails to state the number of dermatologists surveyed, which leaves open the possibility that the sample of doctors is too small to be reliable”

    PT31S2Q03 *Thanks keets993

    "Those who are best able to provide answers to the question are patients, rather than physicians"

    PT39S4Q21 *Thanks keets993

    "that there may be few if any other plumbers working in Moore's town"

    13) Hasty generalization

    PT51S3Q6

    “draws a generalization that is broader than is warranted by the findings cited”

    PT30S2Q13 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

    "Treats a claim about what is currently the case as if it were a claim about what has been the case for an extended period"

    PT39S2Q2 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

    “draws a conclusion about all cases of a certain kind on the basis of evidence that justifies such a conclusion only about some cases of that kind”

    PT18S4Q25 *Thanks keets993

    "He attempts to refute a general claim by reference to nonconforming cases, although the claim is consistent with the occurrence of such cases"

    14) Experiments to reach a general conclusion

  • PT35S4Q08 *Thanks keets993
  • "playing the study's card game perfectly requires fairly low levels of perception and memory"

    15) Your argument fails therefore the opposite of your conclusion must be true

    PT47S1Q8

    “takes for granted that the fact that a claim has not been demonstrated to be false establishes that it is true”

    PT51S1Q15 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

    “the argument, in its attempt to refute one theory of species classification, presupposes the truth of an opposing theory

    16) Relative v. absolute

    PT 53S1Q22 *Thanks keets993

    "mistakes a merely relative property for one that is absolute"

    PT 85S3Q24

    "takes for granted that there are not significantly more households with a dog than ones with a cat"

    17) Confusing one possible solution for the only solution

    PT30S4Q6 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

    "Confuses being an adequate solution with being a required solution"

    PT59S2Q8 *canihazJD

    "fails to consider alternative explanations of the decline in sales of ice cream"

    18) Red herring

    PT26S2Q11

    "it appeals to the emotion of pity rather than addressing the issue raised"

    PT18S4Q11 *Thanks keets993

    "relies on an irrelevant reason for rejecting the civil libertarian's argument"

    PT18S2Q04 *Thanks keets993

    "He argues against a point that is not one that Marianna was making"

    19) Tradition fallacy and novelty fallacy

  • PT51S1Q10 *Thanks samantha.ashley92
  • “fails to show that a certain conclusion of the recent report is better justified than an opposing conclusion reached in older studies”

    20) Confusing part v. whole

    PT 47S3Q25 *Thanks keets993

    "To put together this year's two All-Star Teams, the best players in the league were selected. Half of them were put on Team One, and half were put on Team Two. Since each player on the two teams was one of the best players in the league this year, it follows that the two All-Star Teams are the two best teams this year."

    I also describe this is as 'falsey transfers attributes that can't be transferred' *Thanks keets993

    PT17S3Q19 *Thanks keets993

    "Of all the flowers grown in the university's botanical garden, the Oakland roses are the most beautiful. Since the university's botanical garden is the most beautiful . Since the university's botanical garden is the most beautiful garden in the region, the Oakland roses grown in the garden must be the most beautiful flowers grown in the entire region."

    PT17S3Q16 *Thanks keets993

    "assuming that because something is true each of the parts of a whole it is true of the whole itself"

    PT62S2Q7 *Thanks LCMama2017

    "This paragraph is long. So the sentences that comprise it are long."

    PT87S3Q7 *canihazJD

    "infers that a food will have a certain property simply because one of the foods ingredients has that property"

    21) Beliefs v. facts

    PT 80.S1.Q19 @cldennis94

    "opposing higher taxes is not a factor contributing to good leadership."

    Note: a Weaken question, but belief vs. facts is the flaw here in the argument.

    PT 28.S1.Q19 @cldennis94

    "infers that something is the case because it is believed to be the case."

    22) Relies on people's opinions as fact

    PT28S1Q09 *Thanks keets993

    "a claim is inferred to be false merely because a majority of people believe it to be false"

    Match the flaw

    PT47S1Q23

    “ignores the possibility that an increase in theta waves may not always be accompanied by a state of profound creativity”

    PT51S1Q6

    “It fails to take into account that what brings someone happiness at one moment may not bring that person happiness at another time”

    PT51S1Q18

    “overlooks the possibility that most people may have voted for small cities even though a large city received more votes than any other single city”

    PT51S3Q4

    “fails to consider that the total amount of money spent on education may be much greater than the total spent on sports”

    PT51S3Q9

    “fails to consider the possibility that the vehicle related fatality rates in other areas are also rising”

    PT67S2Q9

    "treats a statement whose truth is required for the conclusion to be true as though it were a statement whose truth ensures that the conclusion is true"

    PT67S2Q21

    "the argument fails to consider that bees might be present even in the absence of a particular condition that would ensure their presence"

    More added by @samantha.ashley92

    PT30S4Q8: "The argument presumes that no other evidence is relevant to the issue at hand"

    Relative v. absolute? I have no idea.

    PT30S4Q14: "It mistakes something that is necessary for its conclusion to follow for something that ensures that the conclusion follows"

    23) Unrepresentative sample

    PTM20S3Q18 *canihazJD

    "making a generalization on the basis of a sample that is likely to be unrepresentative"

    PT88S4Q19 *canihazJD

    "draws a conclusion on the basis of a biased sample"

    24) Sneaking something in (dont have a good name/category for this yet).

  • PT92S1Q25 (weaken)
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    Tuesday, Mar 02 2021

    dimakyure869

    Live on zoom now... [DONE]

    Have some time to kill. Anyone want to talk prep strategies, commiserate about this crazy app cycle, or throw some questions around?

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