Hey - I know the writing sample doesn’t get as much attention as the rest of the lsat , but how did everyone prepare for that section ? Did you only prep for it while taking the pt
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That's fine as long as they can speak to your academic capabilities and potential to succeed in law school.
That’s what I figured just wanted to make sure thank you
Hello everyone hope y’all are well - for my references I need an academic one (I had one in mind but I’m just seeing if I’m going to go through with it ) that being said I’ve started to look at back ups. I have a prof who offered to do it but no longer teaches . Is that fine ? Looking for opinions
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Ignore the Naysayers, seriously. That kind of negativity will only slow you down and waste your energy. Focus on the things you need to do to accomplish your goal and ignore the riff-raff. The Naysayers will ALWAYS be there throughout life, it never gets better. The feeling of proving them wrong though always feels amazing :)
Absolutely
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In my experience everyone I know has been extremely positive! I’m usually the realist that brings everyone back down to earth. A few of my friends and family have been telling me “Yale or bust” lol
Hahaha too funny
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They shall become your motivation. They became mine
Spoken like a true champ
Did anyone notice how many naysayers there are as you get closer to applying ... fascinating.
Thank you there are soooo many naysayers out there , I wish you all the best
Hey everyone for rc did you use older passages for drilling ? (Under pt 50 ). I’ve seen discussions saying they are too different to be useable . Thanks
Hey everyone- with the ultimate I have up to pt 72 for the explanations. I also want access to the more recent pts. Should I purchase a few individually ? Upgrade my package ? I also need to renew my account as well.
Post your suggestions below ; here’s one of my favourites
Hello everyone- should we memorize the types of valid and invalid argument forms . I reviewed them from the cc but can’t seem to commit every single one to memory. What’s everyone’s take on this ?
Hey everyone,I noticed when I time myself doing a section / question I get more concerned about the time then the question itself. If I don’t time it (keep timer nearby but not checking it ) I end up doing it faster and more accurately. Is this common ? Should I just not keep checking the time and develop a good pace ? Also should I bubble in answers after every page ? General timing strategies also appreciated. Thanks
Hey 7sagers hope everyone is well , the lsat seems to trigger a lot students , myself included . I know jy says in the cc to get in the habit of meditating . The calm app is a great free resource that you can get from the App Store. It has guided meditations/ nature music / masterclasses / sleep function . Try to get into the routine of daily meditations if that works for you (it has helped me tremendously) Hope this helps !! Feel free to add suggestions on staying calm and collected while prepping and during the lsat
Hey everyone- just looking to see where people put their purses / bags / phones during the actual test . I heard some proctors or most just let you put them at the front of the class (I know it’s a luck thing ) as I’ve heard it both ways. What did you do on test day ?
Agree with above - have them send it in , don’t want to risk it
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There are 95 days until November. How are you going to use them? Maybe figure out a plan of attack or a schedule for the next few months. Give yourself some time away from the test if you feel burned out and then come back with fervor. Stay disciplined, follow the schedule.
Thank you - you’re right I need to figure out timing
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Is it a slump or still burnt out? I think if it's a slump you just gotta jump back in with maybe an untimed section of your fave section, whether it's LG, RC or LR. Just lightly to warm yourself up before you jump down the rabbit hole that is the grind.
Lol def not burnout from Lsat but maybe from work - thanks for the tip
Hey everyone- wanted to get advice on how people got out of the lsat slump / burnout . I took a break after the July lsat but it turned into a vacation lol (not literally). I took on a job on the side so I’m also factoring that in with the recent slump. Need to retake in November.. any advice is appreciated
There is a group on here that are applying to Canadian Law schools if you want relevant info for schools / want advice from a Canadian perspective check out lawstudents.ca
I’ve been using low res summaries , drilling timed and untimed . And developing an annotation strategy . My rc score keeps going up and down (I know this can depend on the passages ) . I seem to struggling the most with Law / science passages . How were y’all able to implement a consistent score with rc ? I’ve also been keeping track of reasoning errors. I know some people swear by reading material other then rc but I did some research it seems like a waste of time because rc passages are structured a certain way . Feel free to challenge that !
Is there a way to make the analytics accurate (total percentage ) if you only do certain sections from a test . For example for pt 52 I did 2 sections but it scored the ones I didn’t do as incorrect .
Hey everyone- what advice would you give to someone that is struggling to grasp conditional logic in a fast mechanistic way (what we need on the lsat) . I’m thinking of grabbing all the indicators and writing them out onto a sheet (I’ve written out notes on valid / in valid forms ) but it didn’t click. Review the cc ?
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Hi, great question, hoping I can provide some insight:
There are pros to cons to working as a paralegal before attending law school.
I personally took 2-3 years out of undergrad and worked as an entry level Paralegal. I was lucky enough to start with a very respectable and medium to big sized firm.
I learned so much during my years as a Paralegal. I was in the litigation department and was frequently given substantial work. Of course I had a lot of (female dog) work, too, like photo copying, etc., but the connections I was able to make and learning how a case goes from complaint all the way until trial is honestly priceless. I've been to trial several times, even some of the litigators I've worked with have never been to trial. You get more substantial work as the Attorneys trust you more.
I'm barely applying for law school now. Do I wish I went straight through to law school out of undergrad? Sometimes. But I am glad I did what I did, and do not regret it one bit.
I think the bottom line is becoming a Paralegal is a really good idea if you're unsure of whether or not you want to go to law school, but it is important to find a firm that will give you meaningful work. Law school is a HUGE commitment, so being a Paralegal will definitely help you decide whether or not you want to make this commitment - I've always wanted to be a lawyer, but a lot of things made me reconsider it. After being a Paralegal, I'm positive that this is what I want to do.
Some of the cons I would say are opportunity cost and you might get stuck doing meaningless work. Another con would be that: at some firms, the money might be really good which would lead to a person not wanting to quit. I'm in the bay area, so the compensation was respectable (especially during trial when overtime is required.) The senior paralegals at my office were breaking 6 figures easily with a 40 hour work week. (but they have like 10-15+ years of experience)
Feel free to PM and good luck. Thanks for reading.
Thanks for sharing your insight super helpful will pass on
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I know some people who do 3 passages, like @ does, but I read in a prep book that you shouldn't do that because it puts a lot of pressure on you to get those 3 right. It definitely works for some people, though. Anyway, with a skipping strategy, I would not plan on coming back to those questions (unless you have extra time and skipped in the last passage).
Yeah doing it this way gives me more time to work on 3 well then 4 poorly - just my way of doing it , depends on your scoring as well
Hey - can you send me a direct msg so I can send you the list from my laptop
Hello Hope you are all well -a friend of mine is thinking about doing paralegal then going to law school. Anyone that took this pathway ? pros /cons ... ect
My rc strategy thus far is do 3/4 passages , try out diff approaches , timed/untimed until you get something that works for you
Following off a thread stating that we should be focusing on pts 60-80s for rc ... does the same hold for lr why or why not
Hello everyone- I have 1 prof who is writing on of my lors as an academic reference , the school then wants a non academic reference for the second lor . Would it be ok to use a high school teacher providing I volunteered with him in my first year of undergrad. The recent places I worked at were Work study’s so I don’t want a peer to write the lor (they are the supervisors). The same goes for my voulenteer experience. So should I pick a peer supervisor/ coordinator or go with a high school teacher? And I can’t use another prof because they said non academic.
Reaching out to see what some general techniques are for lr (for someone that br, drills question types and has gone through the cc but is not seeing large gains ).
Hey everyone... how did everyone stay sane waiting for scores to come out ? And what about the aftermath ? Would love to hear your feedback
With regards to Canadian Law schools should you let the schools know you are also taking the nov lsat if the deadline to apply is November 1st. Or will they be able to see that you are registered to take it . Thank you
Title is pretty self explanatory. Should you apply only to schools that you could see yourself working / staying there or should you apply to schools outside of your state / province . Some context I live in Ontario and plan on applying for Ontario based schools . That being said they are pretty competitive. Applying up north might give you more chances, but I would probably like to practice in Ontario and that could hinder my chances of networking as well as a feel for the laws of that area. Would love to hear feedback on this topic.
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Why are they due on November 1st? Is this for early decision? Sorry if I'm missing something obvious haha. I think your schedule depends on a lot of personal factors, but I would be aiming for about fifteen-twenty hours of study a week. For me this looks like a couple hours each weekday, a PT on Saturday, and blind review on Sunday (and make sure to take a day off too!). I don't have an official score yet (taking on Saturday!) but this has worked pretty well for me I think. It's manageable (I have a full time job and I'm a full time student) but still enough to get some good progress.
Canadian schools - deadline for my school application but not lsat and thank you
Hey everyone. I know the rule of thumb is rc doesn’t improve by much - that being said I know my rc goes up and down depending on how long / dense the passage is and whether it’s humanities based vs science . What are some tangible ways to improve ? Ive been doing sections timed and untimed. And looking up strategies from different places . I annotate and Mark the passages . Seems like timing it gives me added anxiety and makes me rush . (I don’t run out of time usually few mins extra ) Also when it’s a science passage my comprehension goes down .
Hey everyone - I plan on taking the November lsat (non negotiable lol) and apply for the upcoming cycle. I don’t need massive gains I already took the exam in July . But I do need to up my score. What type of schedule/ hours per week would you use for studying? I’ve been
Studying for awhile so it seems like I’m burning out faster ... I’m thinking of knocking out my applications then getting back to the lsat. So I don’t have that on the back burner (due November 1st) .
Hello everyone, I’ve been having some conversations with various people in the legal field / students and we got talking about mental health. Don’t think if you’re a high achiever that you’re immune to stress / other symptoms of mental illness. It’s important to learn strategies and get help if needed early on ; the lsat is one part of the journey to becoming a lawyer. It’s ok to ask for help. Journal, write , paint , dance do whatever you need to do to feel at ease (besides harmful self destructive behaviour).
Figure out your career path and what your end goal is . If you stick with the lsat make sure to pace yourself or you’ll burn out since you have a far stretch if you plan on retaking. Prep for October (if that’s what you plan on doing ) then make a plan after that (time line ). Continue to seek work that provides you with the ability to use your current skills and experience
Remove the need to be perfect - can be a long journey for some especially for us that grew up with that mentality
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I'm a total perfectionist, I have a strong work ethic, and people believe that translates into me being some kind of genius. So when I tell people that I'm not doing well, they think I'm full of shit and that my standards must be out of control. My mom, on the other hand, went to Penn for law school back when it was ranked even higher than it is now. When I talk to her, I avoid talking about numbers as much as possible. She will ask about specifics sometimes, but I just feel like an idiot compared to her. In all honesty, I did tell her at one point that I was averaging a certain score that happened to be my highest PT score. So yeah, that would be some bluffing.
High achieving perfectionists united lol ... I’m slowly trying to slow down the self talk
Rest up like everyone is saying
I don’t think we should mock the op - they shared their opinion with hopes of getting legitimate feedback
Leah thanks for elaborating on my point - it can be a valuable journey of self discovery if you have the passion and discipline for it . But you really need to get to the root of why you want to go to Law school in the first place
Redemption is always possible- what others think of us is none of our business, safeguard your character over your reputation. Best of luck
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One of my letters was from a professor that transferred schools to a different country. I expect this is fairly common practice.
Also a tip for getting LOR's from a professor that you don't know super well is to ask them to write a letter that is focused on a skill that they would have noticed in their class. This can be asking an English teacher to focus on the strength of your writing ability. Just give them something to write about and explain why they are the best professor that can do that for you. It will be easier for them to start writing.
Also a teacher that is retired will still probably have a template for LOR's. If they do, it might be helpful to ask them if they can include details about your performance relative to your peers. Was there anything unique about your performance in the class? etc
Thank you