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We value constructive criticism because that's how we improve. Since I don't see any suggestions for improvement in the original post, I am "sinking" this discussion for now. This just means that new replies won't bump it up to the top of the Discussions.

Translation: Since we are worried about our revenue, we will censor any opinion that could put our revenue in jeopardy. Keep sucking at LSAT 7Sagers, we love you.

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So if you don't like 7 sage why are you on here talking bad about the company on their website as well as having a subscription and claiming that you killed the lsat? Make it make sense?

I don’t have a subscription – you don’t need one for discussion – and I did kill the test. I am sorry that it doesn’t make sense to you.

This doesn't make sense. You literally don't have an subscription but you saying that 7 sage is a waste of money when you haven't fully experienced the full version of 7 sage. What you are saying is flawed. Please don't speak for the rest of us because different people have different learning styles.

Who the hell spoke for anyone ??? Relax.

You did obviously by telling people not to subscribe due to your experience with 7 sage. However you didn't fully experience 7 sage due to not having a subscription. And I'm chill I'm just pointing out the obvious. If you want to rant go on reddit LSAT. That site is full of negativity lol.

Honestly, this explains why your prof was trying to convince you to go to Cooley. It is a nice school.

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So if you don't like 7 sage why are you on here talking bad about the company on their website as well as having a subscription and claiming that you killed the lsat? Make it make sense?

I don’t have a subscription – you don’t need one for discussion – and I did kill the test. I am sorry that it doesn’t make sense to you.

This doesn't make sense. You literally don't have an subscription but you saying that 7 sage is a waste of money when you haven't fully experienced the full version of 7 sage. What you are saying is flawed. Please don't speak for the rest of us because different people have different learning styles.

Who the hell spoke for anyone ??? Relax.

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lmao I got above a 170 just from 7sage. Without them, I would probably be going to Cooley.

Congratulations. I wonder if they can also help you win your trials or think for you when you encounter a case with no precedent whatsoever.

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Sufficient assumption: everyone learns the exact same way.

Except everything you need to answer the question is given to you on the test. So I don’t know what exactly are you learning?

This is a skill my friend and everyone improve their skills the same way. Practice.

If you think there is a set of knowledge that you can learn and kill the LSAT, think again. This is a skill.

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Sufficient assumption: everyone learns the exact same way.

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All the basics that you need are made freely available on LSAC website. Relaying on explanations during the early stages of preparation is very detrimental. You need to let your brain develop the neural networks it needs to overcome tests obstacles independently.

I don't agree that LSAC's free materials are sufficient for most people to reach their best score, especially in a section like LG where that material is notoriously incomplete and poorly constructed. But even if they were, it wouldn't mean that commercial prep doesn't offer a ton of value in other ways. There is a lot more to 7sage than explanation videos.

But, I can get behind your larger point that students would be better off locking themselves in a room with nothing but preptests and going through them over and over than they are being spoonfed solutions and otherwise not engaging directly with the exam. This is exactly why JY recommends taking 40 PTs and then conducting a rigorous blind review of every question, and then further reviewing those questions you miss in BR, or struggle with.

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All the basics that you need are made freely available on LSAC website. Relaying on explanations during the early stages of preparation is very detrimental. You need to let your brain develop the neural networks it needs to overcome tests obstacles independently.

I don't agree that LSAC's free materials are sufficient for most people to reach their best score, especially in a section like LG where that material is notoriously incomplete and poorly constructed. But even if they were, it wouldn't mean that commercial prep doesn't offer a ton of value in other ways. There is a lot more to 7sage than explanation videos.

But, I can get behind your larger point that students would be better off locking themselves in a room with nothing but preptests and going through them over and over than they are being spoonfed solutions and otherwise not engaging directly with the exam. This is exactly why JY recommends taking 40 PTs and then conducting a rigorous blind review of every question, and then further reviewing those questions you miss in BR, or struggle with.

I didn’t want to spell it out, but here it goes. Khan has everything you need. Period. I think locking yourself in with nothing but you and your PTs is the best way to improve your score.

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Look, at the end of they day you get to believe and do what you want. I don’t care about your response. This post is a wake up call for all LSAT takers who fall victims for LSAT prep companies who are more interested in increasing their revenue than increasing your score.

I am telling you there is a more effective and free way to increase your score. You can listen to me or ignore everything I said.

I agree with some of what you are saying but not about prep courses in general. I think it's true that most top scorers eventually move beyond explanations, but most people are better off in the beginner and intermediate stages having specific curricula/reliable sources of information to build the foundation of knowledge and skill they need to get to the 99th percentile. As a result, I think courses like 7sage make most students' journey up the scale more efficient not less. And believe it or not, not everyone has the ability to "figure everything out" on their own. I'm a 99th percentile scorer (174 in June, and multiple 180s on PTs) who frequently learns things I didn't know from JY's videos and the discussion on 7sage. This is to say nothing of the tools 7sage provides to identify and isolate areas where I need work, practice individual questions, take timed sections, etc. Sure, I could do much of this on my own but it would be far less efficient.

All the basics that you need are made freely available on LSAC website. Relaying on explanations during the early stages of preparation is very detrimental. You need to let your brain develop the neural networks it needs to overcome tests obstacles independently.

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I'm not here to knock your opinion. But what kind of response did you honestly think you were gonna get on a message forum that tends to be frequented by people who find 7sage helpful?

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I'm not here to knock your opinion. But what kind of response did you honestly think you were gonna get on a message forum that tends to be frequented by people who find 7sage helpful?

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I'm not here to knock your opinion. But what kind of response did you honestly think you were gonna get on a message forum that tends to be frequented by people who find 7sage helpful?

Look, at the end of they day you get to believe and do what you want. I don’t care about your response. This post is a wake up call for all LSAT takers who fall victims for LSAT prep companies who are more interested in increasing their revenue than increasing your score.

I am telling you there is a more effective and free way to increase your score. You can listen to me or ignore everything I said.

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Went from a 143 diagnostic to a 155 June 2021 lsat. I say its working. What I regret wasting my money on is Princeton review. 7sage has been amazing

I am afraid you wasted your money on both. If you focus on practice and independently figure out the reasoning behind all questions, your 155 will turn into 175+. But you have a choice to make when you hit a wall:

do I run to 7sage

do I believe in myself and figure it out on my own.

Believe me, choice 1 won’t get you far

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7sage is ripping us off. If you want to kill the LSAT, all you need is practice. Nothing will save your rear-end other than practice. When you pay the big bucks for 7sage and start watching their videos, you are losing very valuable practice opportunity – the chance to dig deep and truly figure out what went wrong on your own. There is a huge different between someone explaining the question to you and you figuring it out on your own. 7sage will not write your exam, you will.

Trust me, cancel your subscription now and relay on yourself. You will see a huge improvement. Don't give up and handout your money to 7sage, so they can do the work for you. You have to do it, because you will be on your own during the exam.

This is how I killed the LSAT. DO NOT SEEK HELP FROM ANYONE. Doesn't matter how long it will take, figure it out on your own.

Good Luck All.

As someone who made a 16 point improvement (so far) almost exclusively using their resources, I would say this post is wrong if we were speaking about everyone. Maybe you meant for this to be some logical reasoning problem for us to solve? If you said some people might not benefit, therefore those people shouldn't buy 7Sage, you may have an argument. However, I -- acting as a MBF example -- contradict what you say directly. Have a great day!

Have you made those improvements on your real LSAT ?

Likely, which is based on how I feel I performed on the test, but we will see.

Let's be real here, though. You realize that you do not HAVE TO watch the explanation videos. You can both rely on your own intuition and work ethic while taking advantage of the test bank/problem sets/analytics, which is what I primarily use 7Sage for now. Also, painting this broad brush on what is appropriate for all people neglects that people learn differently from you and each other. This argument seems full of logical assumptions, which makes me doubt that you killed the LSAT. Either way, no tough feelings but please steer away from these type of ultimatums.

Again, if you have any doubts about my ability to kill the LSAT. Pick a PT and come proctor me.

But if I got a 180, you have to unsubscribe from 7Sage for life.

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Please just stop commenting (notifications are exploding) and this post will fade away to obscurity.

Who the hell put you in charge of telling people what to do ?

Go away, Karen.

Last time I checked, Karens had a high tendency to tell people what to do. Plus if you don’t like the post, you can mute it.

Karens spend a lot of time complaining. Sounds familiar?

Oh it sounds very familiar actually. Reminders me of someone you might know.

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7sage is ripping us off. If you want to kill the LSAT, all you need is practice. Nothing will save your rear-end other than practice. When you pay the big bucks for 7sage and start watching their videos, you are losing very valuable practice opportunity – the chance to dig deep and truly figure out what went wrong on your own. There is a huge different between someone explaining the question to you and you figuring it out on your own. 7sage will not write your exam, you will.

Trust me, cancel your subscription now and relay on yourself. You will see a huge improvement. Don't give up and handout your money to 7sage, so they can do the work for you. You have to do it, because you will be on your own during the exam.

This is how I killed the LSAT. DO NOT SEEK HELP FROM ANYONE. Doesn't matter how long it will take, figure it out on your own.

Good Luck All.

As someone who made a 16 point improvement (so far) almost exclusively using their resources, I would say this post is wrong if we were speaking about everyone. Maybe you meant for this to be some logical reasoning problem for us to solve? If you said some people might not benefit, therefore those people shouldn't buy 7Sage, you may have an argument. However, I -- acting as a MBF example -- contradict what you say directly. Have a great day!

Have you made those improvements on your real LSAT ?

Likely, which is based on how I feel I performed on the test, but we will see.

Let's be real here, though. You realize that you do not HAVE TO watch the explanation videos. You can both rely on your own intuition and work ethic while taking advantage of the test bank/problem sets/analytics, which is what I primarily use 7Sage for now. Also, painting this broad brush on what is appropriate for all people neglects that people learn differently from you and each other. This argument seems full of logical assumptions, which makes me doubt that you killed the LSAT. Either way, no tough feelings but please steer away from these type of ultimatums.

You know that you can do everything you just described without a monthly subscription?

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I am really happy that you did well on the LSAT, but your claims are very general. Research shows that everyone learns differently. So some may benefit from this resource and others like yourself may not. I also do not understand how you can fairly evaluate this resource if you have never used it.

Most people who use it can’t answer killer games/passages/LR questions, because they missed out on the opportunity to self identify their mistakes and self overcome exam obstacles. Your brain’s neural networks will not look the same if you simply watch a video explanation the minute you encounter a strange question. 7Sage’s explanation videos doesn’t allow for your brain to develop the necessary neural networks it needs, should you face a tough question on the real test(and trust me there will be a few of those on the real test)

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Not me coming on here innocently to be productive and seeing this 7sage beef/drama 😭

See, more reasons to unsubscribe. 7Sage sucks. It sucks. It sucks. It sucks.

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So if you don't like 7 sage why are you on here talking bad about the company on their website as well as having a subscription and claiming that you killed the lsat? Make it make sense?

I don’t have a subscription – you don’t need one for discussion – and I did kill the test. I am sorry that it doesn’t make sense to you.

If you don’t believe me, pick a PT and come proctor me.

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So if you don't like 7 sage why are you on here talking bad about the company on their website as well as having a subscription and claiming that you killed the lsat? Make it make sense?

I don’t have a subscription – you don’t need one for discussion – and I did kill the test. I am sorry that it doesn’t make sense to you.

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Please just stop commenting (notifications are exploding) and this post will fade away to obscurity.

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Please just stop commenting (notifications are exploding) and this post will fade away to obscurity.

Who the hell put you in charge of telling people what to do ?

Go away, Karen.

Last time I checked, Karens had a high tendency to tell people what to do. Plus if you don’t like the post, you can mute it.

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Please just stop commenting (notifications are exploding) and this post will fade away to obscurity.

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Please just stop commenting (notifications are exploding) and this post will fade away to obscurity.

Who the hell put you in charge of telling people what to do ?

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7sage is ripping us off. If you want to kill the LSAT, all you need is practice. Nothing will save your rear-end other than practice. When you pay the big bucks for 7sage and start watching their videos, you are losing very valuable practice opportunity – the chance to dig deep and truly figure out what went wrong on your own. There is a huge different between someone explaining the question to you and you figuring it out on your own. 7sage will not write your exam, you will.

Trust me, cancel your subscription now and relay on yourself. You will see a huge improvement. Don't give up and handout your money to 7sage, so they can do the work for you. You have to do it, because you will be on your own during the exam.

This is how I killed the LSAT. DO NOT SEEK HELP FROM ANYONE. Doesn't matter how long it will take, figure it out on your own.

Good Luck All.

As someone who made a 16 point improvement (so far) almost exclusively using their resources, I would say this post is wrong if we were speaking about everyone. Maybe you meant for this to be some logical reasoning problem for us to solve? If you said some people might not benefit, therefore those people shouldn't buy 7Sage, you may have an argument. However, I -- acting as a MBF example -- contradict what you say directly. Have a great day!

Have you made those improvements on your real LSAT ?

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is this a flaw/descriptive weakening question

No, this is you getting ripped off without even realizing it.

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Cringe troll post. There are more productive ways to use your time fyi

How about you worry about your time and let the rest of us spend it how we see fit.

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(you wrote subscripted, lol)

I feel obliged to defend LSAT Killer in that case, mainly since I am also a non-native English speaker and I can totally understand that we are more susceptible to spelling errors than native speakers.

Besides, spelling errors do not have a bearing on the LSAT score, therefore I wouldn't criticize anyone here based on these.

I wasn't going to let the LSAT or anything defeat me.

Ah I see. Thanks for sharing that.

Reading this part honestly reminded me of myself, and of the initial spark which triggered my decision to sacrifice a multiple-month-gap on my CV for cracking the LSAT. I tried to tell myself that I want to get into HLS, but the truth is that the deeper reason why I made this decision is that I already had tried to practice for the LSAT on my own last year, before starting my job, and got so frustrated by not being able to improve that I later decided to conquer the LSAT no matter what it takes. Therefore (silly as it sounds), I'm not sure if I really want to become a lawyer, but what I'm definitely sure about (like you) is that I won't let any test on this planet beat me.

However, sometimes the benefit of using a (legitimate) shortcut outweighs the disadvantage of not entirely figuring it out on our own (this definitely is the case for me regarding LSAT preparation). I think it's true that, if I decided to spend the next 3 years of my life for LSAT prep (entirely on my own), I might had gained a better understanding of the test (regardless of the score) compared to taking the help of 7sage. Though, I think this increase in understanding would be minimal, and I definitely prefer getting a 177 with 5 months of prep compared to getting a 180 and finishing the test in 3/4 of the required time with 3 years of prep. It's a personal preference though, and I understand that not all of us need to share this opinion.

All the best!

7 Sage wants you to stay in the 155 - 163 range, this way they can keep billing you. I will not spend a dollar on LSAT help. I know I can figure it out on my own(and it takes long sometimes) but I can do it for free and gain more benefit.

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Anyways (in case you are not trolling): whatever your LSAT score is, I would strongly advise you not to say anything close to what you're posting here during the interviews. Interviews are there for a reason, which is filtering out arrogant applicants.

Good luck!

If I got rejected, it is the school's lost. Not mine. They should consider themselves lucky, if I accepted their offer.

lol "sChoOl's lOsT. nOt miNe."

Yeah, They will miss out when I get elected twice the Xth president of united states.

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You say you never subscribed (you wrote subscripted, lol) to 7sage, so how can you know what it does and does not offer? I can tell you and everyone reading this that 7 sage has opened my eyes and thought process to new horizons and without their program, I doubt I could be at my current level with the time and effort I've put into it thus far. You sound very troubled, I hope you get well soon.

And who is going to open your eyes when your 7sage makes you a lawyer and you go to trial ?

Maybe you can ask the judge to adjourn until you can find someone to open your eyes.

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(you wrote subscripted, lol)

I feel obliged to defend LSAT Killer in that case, mainly since I am also a non-native English speaker and I can totally understand that we are more susceptible to spelling errors than native speakers.

Besides, spelling errors do not have a bearing on the LSAT score, therefore I wouldn't criticize anyone here based on these.

Thanks for the defence, but I am native english speaker and I don't care about spelling when chatting with people casually. I don't care what law school I go to, but I am not lazy. I wasn't going to let the LSAT or anything defeat me.