Hey, I would be really interested. I am very flexible with time. I am planning on taking the test in June/October. The help would be really appreciated.

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Thank you! Great pick-me-up before I embark on parallel flaw matching!!

Parallel flaw matching…good luck. May the odds be ever in your favor 😉

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No choice but to keep on pushing, good luck!

We willl succeeedddd, thanks!!

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Appreciate the positive message. Hope you are well

Same to you! 😊

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The best thing you can do when your brain shuts down on a stimulus is to flag it and move on! This goes against a lot of people's basic instincts - it feels like "giving up." But the reality is that often difficult questions get easier on the second pass. More importantly, time you spend staring at a question often will keep you from getting to other, easier questions!

YESS! very much against my instincts. I will try to keep all this in mind and make sure I am not spending too much time on such questions.

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Don’t spin your wheels. The most important thing for this type of question is to identify specific work to do. If you can’t do that, it’s an easy call to move on. When you’re not doing anything specific, you’re wasting your time.

As for what that work is, it’s often helpful to break down the stimulus grammatically. Identify the skeleton structure of each sentence: Subject, verb, object. This will provide a concise statement of the sentence which you can work with more easily in developing your comprehension. A lot of people struggle with this, but it would be well worth the effort to practice.

From there, the rest of the sentence fleshes out the meaning with more specificity, but you can fill that in much more easily once you have the structure for guidance. Once you’re good at this, you can start identifying more grammatical nuance. Complex sentences with subordinate clauses, for example, have very specific logical implications which are important to recognize.

I will try to do that! though after spending so much time on a question it feels discouraging to skip it. Just to make sure I understand clearly: When BR these questions I should try to spend the time breaking down the grammatical structure of the stimulus? Thank you for all the advice :)

I read "human-made projectile" and immediately thought: human throw up .... only me? yeah I think so

I'm INTERESTEDDDD!!

i'd be interested!

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@ That sounds like a great way of doing it. I will do that.

Can I ask how long it took you to get to 30% of the CC?

Yeah, about 2 months but it's full time for me. Honestly just dive in, try different strategies and you'll grow. Really it comes down to you putting the work in every day. For me, struggling over those first 2-3 PTs before getting the hang of it has helped me immensely. Every 10 days can also be helpful to make sure you're getting good CC work in between,

I think every 10 days might be better than weekly. Until I cant hit 40-50% of the CC.

I am thinking of finishing the CC for LR then doing timed sections instead of jumping into full PTs

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I was also completing one PT per week. It really helped me see how I improved with each question type throughout the CC, and for me it was helpful. I feel like I can look at question types more adequately now to see my strengths and weaknesses and try to improve with timing and answering the question in general. It took me some time to get through the CC because I was also working full-time maybe 2-3 months to finish (I don't remember the time frame tbh). Something I can say is that you realize how alike all the questions are throughout these PT and completing one PT per week helped (in my personal opinion haha)! Good Luck!

I am also working full time. I find that the CC is taking me forever to get through.

How long does it usually take you to go through a lesson if you don't mind me asking

If you're an international student planning to re-locate to the US for your studies you will probably have to take the TOEFL or IELETS for your student visa application (usually is a requirement or at-least I had to take it the first time I went to the US to study abroad) so you might as well get it done as soon as possible. You should confirm though based on your application requirements. Though I would be shocked if law schools require us to take the TOEFL after taking the LSAT (a test that should show at-least basic english proficiency...)

Congrats on the score!

@megana

@ : I think I will try to do that [ this is: not do all the PS]. I think if I try to keep doing it I will eventually give up on studying because my pace will be way too slow.

I'll try doing alternating PS instead. Thank you for the suggestions guys, I appreciate it!

Ahh alright, Thank youuuu.

I wish there was accompanying footage of a test taker solving these problems in a timed test. I find that I am unsure how much I need to diagram: I question if I am over or under doing it all the time. Also, I want to focus my time on the right skill. Meaning, should I work on my skill that writes out perfect conditional statements or should I focus on doing it in my head. Not sure if it is only me that thinks that...

Anyone else? #help

Let me join in on this conversation: I feel ya. I am studying for the LSAT outside the US and Canada. I have yet to come across a person around me that knows what the LSAT is unless I explain to them... Also, I am tired of explaining why I want to go to law school after I got a degree in engineering. People around me that aim to go into Law usually do it as an undergrad so they can't relate. I also work in a male dominated field, and I am the youngest employee in my division of the company I work at (between 400+ employees). Everyone is like 7+ years older than me, has a family and life figured out.

Regarding SQUID GAMES: can we talk about how the glass bridge game could have been avoided if the players walked on the metal railing???? Way to get yourself ded...

I write it out on my Ipad I can share with you a screenshot: DM me.

I try to leave some space to draw a figure that explains the stimulus (when applicable). I do that to help myself train my brain's ability to visualizing things as I read. I find that this way I will avoid misunderstanding tricky statements. The rest I do just like you, except I do not go into detail with every answer choice. About 2 or 3/5 answer choices I just write irrelevant next to: when I am sure i'd never fall for them (to save time and allocate it to other questions)

hope that helps

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I recently discovered the LR Loopholes book and it discusses this at length. I HIGHLY recommend it. People who read it usually say they end up with a -1 or -2 on LR. I've only been reading it for a few days but it is very helpful. I had a similar issue and I thought it was due to my attention span or stress happening in my life, which could contribute, but after reading the first 3 chapters of the book, I realize that it's the test. The first chapter talks about chunking for sentences, then the book goes into how to identify what's important and unimportant. Later, it discusses how to ensure you are comprehending what you read and offers a few drills. She talks about skipping and knowing what to look for in a stimulus. Please consider taking a look at it. There isn't enough space here to go over 3 chapters of a book but it can be really helpful to this in particular.

Helloooo,

I actually already have the book, I also have the LSAT trainer. I got gifted them from a family member but they've been sitting on my shelf for a while. I have been worried that I will over burden myself with different sources of material. I thought it might be best to finish the CC then move into the books. Is that how you handled it?

Follow up question for the people in this thread (if you do not mind) @ @ @: do you solve all the Problems sets in the CC as you go through it? or do you just do a few?

I tried doing them all in order and it seems way too time consuming and counter productive. Any tips?

Thank you all in advance for the advice. It is really helpful and makes this test way less stressful.

Hope y'all are having wonderful days :smile: :smile:

I started questioning all my life decisions there for a moment....

LG without a scratch paper... ha ha ...

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I will try to do that! though after spending so much time on a question it feels discouraging to skip it. Just to make sure I understand clearly: When BR these questions I should try to spend the time breaking down the grammatical structure of the stimulus? Thank you for all the advice :)

Well the trick with skipping is to do it before you've spent so much time! You've got to be able to anticipate how the question is likely to play out and make your decision to skip or not before you've tanked, not after. If you're going to skip in this situation, it really shouldn't take longer than maybe about 40 seconds. For most questions, that is more than enough time to realize you're lost, and you have to make the call to skip at that moment of realization. My process on something like this typically goes: "Okay, I don't understand. What am I going to do about it? I'm not sure. SKIP." When you don't understand and you don't know how you're going to change that, it's an auto-skip every time. I can't think of a single exception to that.

And yes on the grammatical breakdown, but you should also be doing this under time as well. It is often the alternative to skipping in these situations: "Okay, I don't understand. What am I going to do about it? Well, I'm for sure going to have to parse the grammar on that one really long, confusing sentence. Get to work." When I say you've got to identify specific work, this is the kind of thing I mean.

Non-specific work is really dangerous. The most common form of this is to just start over from the beginning and re-read the stimulus without really doing anything differently. We tend to just start over and hope it goes better. But without doing anything specific to improve our read, it's very unlikely that anything will change. This is so dangerous, I don't allow myself to do it under any circumstances. Even if I think it's my best move and I'm confident it will result in a correct answer, I force myself to skip, no exceptions. There's just too many psychological pitfalls with this to allow it.

"Non-specific work is really dangerous." ..... THISSS. Took me a while to start notice that I tend to panic and stop focusing on what exactly the end goal is. I need to stop worrying about not getting everything right and start ensuring I am allocating my efforts into the right things...

Thanks for all the advice. Truly appreciated. :smile:

i would be interested, if you got the time.....

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I mostly only use this platform for studying tirelessly but it is nice to check in and remember that there are so many others who feel my pain!! I work full time at a law firm and I study after work and on the weekends but it still does not feel like enough!

COMPLETELY RELATABLE: I work in corporate and am managing a full program/division on my own. The hours get crazy and it makes my study time limited. Even on the rare days I can fit 3+ hours of studying, it still feels like I am slacking. That just shows how dedicated we are towards this test, but it will be worth it in the end.

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Thank you so much for posting it here! I feel the same way like you said on the post and comments! Yes, I feel lonely, stressed, frustrated, daunt myself... I do not dare to tell my friends what I am doing right now as I do not know when it will be ended for my LSAT preparation. Thanks again! I really needed this as well.

Glad it could help... I had to keep reminding myself that this LSAT journey has nothing to do with the people around me but everything to do with myself and the place I want to get to. Whatever the score you get won't define you! and I am sure you'll do great.

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This really resonated with me. As someone who struggles with generalized anxiety their whole life, it can be truly debilitating when preparing for my November LSAT. I also work part time, study as a full time student, and work an internship twice a week that is an hour away from my apartment. I am graduating this December, too. All of these things feel like so much, and can really make it hard to progress, especially when it comes to confidence. At the end of the day, even after a crap study day, there is still this feeling inside me I can't describe. Hairs stand up on my neck and I can only describe it as sheer desire and will. I may lack confidence, something I work hard to improve on every day, but I know it is my motivation and work ethic that will get me into the school I am aiming for in 2023.

Thank you for helping me reflect and reminding me to take the time and be gentle. Without kindness, both inside and out, we never can succeed.

I can't explain how much I relate to this. I think as anxious people the LSAT makes life complicated because it is a constant thought in your mind. I have been pushing taking the LSAT for a long time because I alway convince myself that I won't be able to succeed. But NO MORE, I am just going to work my hardest and see whatever outcome comes from that.

YOU GOT THIS! Really happy to have read your comment.