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Monday, Dec 06 2021

Congrats on the wonderful increase!!

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Wednesday, Dec 01 2021

Congrats on the wonderful score improvement!

My dream score is 168+ and I am currently in the low 160s…hopefully it comes sooner than later

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Wednesday, Dec 01 2021

Congrats on the incredible score! I hope your applications and law school endeavors go well for you. That is my dream score.

For someone who is currently in the low 160s, what are your tips to getting out of the low 160s to high 160s?

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Wednesday, Nov 24 2021

Very interesting. I would like to read more on this !

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Wednesday, Nov 24 2021

Thanks for the information everyone.

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Wednesday, Nov 24 2021

Hello, I am very interested! Planning on taking in March and June if needed.

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Wednesday, Nov 24 2021

@ said:

I've noticed this as well. When I'm in that zone I go -0 to -2. Super hard to read slowly and deliberately though. Any tips to get in that zone? I've tried to force myself to read slowly, but even then I still end up doing the ADD thing and "reading" without actually reading.

Hi @, tips to get in that zone for me would be to not think about the clock and hide it from your screen. You can click on the clock with your cursor and it will hide it. Then I would just solely focus on the stimulus and the argument presented and take pauses after reading, etc. I think this will get you in that zone.

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Wednesday, Nov 24 2021

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I'll be sure to try this! Something's gotta give for sure with me. I haven't been diagnosed with ADD/ADHD, but I'm having a terrible time with focusing and comprehending.

Hi @, yes I think the timing element gets us into this mode that we have to go fast, which is relatively true. But, sometimes that aspect of time and the clock can take over our focus when our focus should be on the passage in LR. And for us ADD/ADHD folk, having to read 25 convoluted arguments, think very critically of them, and do it under time is just a hard task for our brains. So, if you can not think about the clock and just think about the arguments in the stimuli I think it helps.

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Wednesday, Nov 24 2021

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Thank you for sharing this. I also have ADHD and for the life of me cannot get past a -9, usually end up getting -12 on sections. it is very difficult for me to understand without re-reading over and over again and then I begin to daydream. Definitely time for me to switch it up!

Hello @, you’re welcome. That is how it has was for me.

They key is to not think about time when doing the problems. That way you can zone in to each question like it’s own test. It’s harder that I am making it sound but I would first try to do like 20 in 35mins as accurately as you can and if you get to the last 5 questions great, and if not, that’s okay too. Then keep honing the skill over practice timed sections. If that’s still not enough time, I would consider testing accommodations.

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Tuesday, Nov 23 2021

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Reading slow and ADD/ADHD for LR.

Hello all,

For the longest time I was hitting around -10 in LR while still understanding the review and having a higher BR scores of -3/-4 per section. For a long time, I was rushing through sections, staring at the time, trying to spend less time on "easy questions" and allot times to questions generally. The result from this, at least for me, was a whopping average of -10 in LR timed sections.

Recently, I switched my approach to the section when doing timed sections. I have started to read slow word for word, and I mean slowwwww, for the stimuli, and have been able to score -5 on timed sections, usually getting my -5 wrong answers on the harder 5-star questions.

In true LSAT fashion, I know multiple competing explanations may explain for this phenomenon or increase. But, I would like to believe it is because I am reading much slower and actually taking time to understand the stimuli in LR which has improved my accuracy tremendously. Also, I think this has to do with my really bad ADD/ADHD that I have been diagnosed with for a long time. It is hard for me to read fast, I have to read slow to fully understand something. But, once I understand something I have read, I usually have a really good grasp of the logic, reasoning, assumptions, etc.

Just thought I would share for my fellow ADD/ADHD sages out there that maybe this can help with the overwhelming timing element of LR, since there are generally 25 separate stimuli that you have to really understand and focus on to get questions right under timed conditions, a task that is presumably very difficult for most ADD/ADHD test takers like myself.

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Tuesday, Nov 23 2021

Great post. Thanks! Best of luck

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Monday, Nov 22 2021

Congrats on the incredible increase and journey! I am sure you worked really hard for it. I hope the best in law school.

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Monday, Nov 22 2021

If you think you can get a higher score, I would definitely retake and try to get your high PT score of 161.

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Monday, Nov 22 2021

With weaken/strengthen questions, do some untimed or timed, to which you prefer, and focus on IDing conclusion, premise and the gap of the argument. Once identified, then you need to hone in on the gap/assumption in which the argument makes. Only once you have a good understanding of stimulus, then you should move to the ACs with critical eye of the assumption and look for the AC that attacks assumption.

You need to do this over and over again with many questions before it becomes mechanical in a sense. This is when you will be able to go fast.

When I first started, I was very slow at the entire test. But, with good process of logical reasoning, I am now much faster. I only focus on question stems, trying to understand stimulus, what the argument is, and what the gap of the argument is. Then, doing to task that is being asked. But, I think the most important thing for LR is just trying your very best to understand the stimulus FIRST, then moving to ACs ONLY after you have understood the stimulus. If you don't understand stimulus, you may get lucky on certain questions, but this is a recipe for false confidence and you getting wrecked on other PTs, etc.

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Monday, Nov 22 2021

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Focus on your weakest question types. I thought I was just "making silly mistakes", but for some reason focusing on question types is the thing that raised my score 10+ points.

I also second what gabes900 said about sticking with a process. Before you start studying you might answer questions intuitively, but you basically want to turn yourself into a computer that executes a script. When you take a test you want to be CONSCIOUSLY reasoning, which does take practice.

I got to consistent -0/1 in LR by always (1) reading the question and identifying type (2) reading the stimulus (3) putting my mouse on the conclusion (4) pre-phrasing answers (5) eliminating wrong choices (6) choosing the right choice or skipping and coming back.

You have to do this for every question. The prephrase is the most counterintuitive part, but it's the secret to being analytical and fast.

This is great advice on process!

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gabeshelton3715
Sunday, Nov 21 2021

Not getting something is okay. But, trying is important. Some people, including myself in the past, would not get something, get angry and then not address the problem properly or fully. This is where you don’t want to be if you want to improve significantly on this test.

Instead, I think it’s smart to assess what I don’t know and work on it, a lot, while still working on my strengths too. As long as I am doing this with my studies, I feel good despite my score maybe staying the same for a while on a given section. At least I’m putting in the work.

I hope this helps.

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Sunday, Nov 21 2021

I used to experience this a lot more than I do now. What you’re going through is, at least in my opinion, normal response to how much harder the LSAT is to what most people’s expectations are of the LSAT before they start studying.

I would try to journal what is bothering you and try to set reminders to keep studying or attack that thing that is giving you trouble.

If you are burnt out, and this is why you are stressed, then maybe taking a break is a good thing.

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Sunday, Nov 21 2021

Update: Still foolproofing and noticed that it is very beneficial to foolproof sections when foolproofing games.

Example, If you foolproof a new LG section from one of the sections of the 1-35 PTs, and you get questions wrong on game 4, for example, what I do, is, instead of foolproofing that one game, I will foolproof that one game but re-doing the entire section over and over (with that game included) until I have mastered that game. This gives me more exposure to games I've already conquered, but it works that section muscle that is required of you on test day as well. In other words, I am constantly testing/foolproofing section ability as well, not just individual games. Some may ask: why? Because on test day, or during PTs, you are not only required to have game types down, but you need to be able to operate smoothly, and efficiently, through an entire section with four games, and some of them being different types.

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Sunday, Nov 21 2021

Yes very interested!!

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Saturday, Nov 20 2021

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@ Same for you as well! I just took Nov but am anticipating an additional take sometime in 2022. Hbu?

@ shooting for anytime after March 2022 to take exam so March and June probably!

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Friday, Nov 19 2021

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Additionally, here are two links to flashcards for Q stems!

https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/quiz-on-logical-reasoning-question-stems-mixed-1/

https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/quiz-on-logical-reasoning-question-stems-mixed-2/

Thanks!!

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Friday, Nov 19 2021

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I quit my job recently to focus on studying for few months since i still live at home and dont need to pay rent, but if I study more than 5 hours a day I lose focus and get fatigued. Only study Mon-Fri so I dont overload myself and Taking 20-30 minute breaks every hour or two is also essential, especially with topics I dont like, such as logical reasoning for me.

Hi @ thanks for commenting. Yeah, I feel like logical reasoning is one area where you brain demands a break after awhile. I feel LG and RC are actually more forgiving when it comes to focused, insensitive-style days.

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Friday, Nov 19 2021

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@ I do 2 hours AM and 2 hours PM. Any more than this and the zoning out effect @ mentioned begins to happen. Unless you're going near perfect in LG, I think drilling a game or two is always a great way to start the study day.

Hello @ thanks for the comment. That seems like a cool study system that I may try. I like the 2 hours AM and 2 hours PM idea with a break in the middle.

Also, about LG, I completely agree that it is a great way to warm up as well. I hope your studies are progressing well. When do you plan on taking the exam?

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Friday, Nov 19 2021

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I think another way to zoom in on flaw questions even if you feel like you have maybe missed it in the first read is remember “the reasoning is faulty and the jump from the premise to conclusion has a flaw.” I’ve used this many times to cope with a potentially hard-to-understand stimulus, where I may have been prone to error in my understanding.

This is definitely a good heuristic--remind yourself that obviously something has gone wrong---what am I missing here?

For me, the phrase I would repeat to myself when I was stuck between answers was "be sensitive to the support". This was my way of reminding myself that the flaw had to address that relationship between the premise and conclusion, or as you say, the flaw that describes "the jump from the premise to conclusion"

The trick is knowing what steps to take and then knowing when to disengage. The mistake I tend to see is test takers who just keep reading and re-reading the same answer choices without any gains in comprehension.

I always remind the students I tutor that if you are going to attempt another read, make sure you take the steps that count--the ones that help improve your comprehension of the argument and the relationship b/w premises and conclusion. If no gains in comprehension are made, time to let go and come back later, knowing you have done everything you could at this moment. Get it in round 2.

Hi @ , thanks for the comment and time! I really appreciate it.

I completely agree with the point you make on comprehension. I have noticed in my own long, laborious prep that I used to take way too much time in the answer choices when, instead, I should have spent more time in the stimulus--which is a habit I do now.

Yes! the battle is won in the stimulus, not bouncing around in the ACs!

For sure!!

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Friday, Nov 19 2021

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I study about 3 hours a day as well. I work full time as a nanny and study for 1.5 hours while the baby sleeps in the afternoon and then another 1.5-2 hours between 5:30PM and 8PM. I've been on this study schedule for about 2 months now and have improved my score from a 162 to 166 in that time frame, so I think it is working for me. I agree it causes minimal stress which helps me to do better in the long run.

Hi, thanks for the comment. Congrats on that score increase! That's awesome. Yeah, I agree I think 2-3 hours max for me while working full-time seems to be the best bet for long-term success on my performance.

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