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Thursday, Feb 28 2019

I'm having a difficult time trying to figure out when to use conditional reasoning. Can someone explain to me which questions types are most common in which to use these CR?

MSS & MBT, Strengthen, Weaken, Flaw, and (Flawed) Parallel questions come to my mind. If you are having a difficult time trying to figure out when to use CR, I strongly suggest you don't move on from that lesson until you really, really know it. You don't want to spend time figuring out whether you are dealing with a causal or a conditional relationship, trust me.

Second Question - When should I use the questions from the test bank? I feel like there is no time set to use these questions for practice. Should I do them when Im working on that exact lesson?

You use them when you feel like you need practice or revisiting a certain question type. Don't use them too early, or you will have burned up some questions by the time you start tackling PTs.

I feel like if I work on these I'll forget them towards the end of the CC. That's what happened last time, I wasn't able to remember anything. While Pting I forgot how to spot an arguments premises, conclusion, context, etc...

I suspect you have not been internalizing the lessons you went through, i.e. waltzing through each lesson because you think you got it, only to find yourself blanking out during a PT. Spend time on and actually learn each lesson. Write short summaries in your own words; keep visiting them until it literally becomes your second nature.

That said...

Also, I'm incorporating powerscore lessons with 7sage.

Don't. One curriculum is more than plenty, especially if (1) that curriculum in question is 7Sage or PowerScore, and (2) you are not internalizing the lessons you go through. Give up PowerScore, and spend that time on reinforcing each lesson.

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Thursday, Feb 28 2019

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only 62% of UVA grads took on Jobs at Large Firms. That's really low for a high ranking school. I think typically the number is closer to 80%.

It's actually quite decent. If I'm not mistaken, only Columbia has something like the rate you mention (78%). If that 80% figure were the golden standard, schools like Yale (61%), Harvard (57%), Stanford (50%), and Chicago (61%) -- or the whole legal education system, for that matter -- should have been labeled educational scams a long time ago.

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Thursday, Feb 28 2019

an internal devil is telling me WHAT DO I HAVE TO LOSE?!

Your odds are quite low at this point (unless you happen to have something like... I don't know, +3.9 GPA and +174 LSAT). If you get rejected and reapply to the same school next cycle, you will be deemed a reapplicant, meaning that your chance of admission to the school may be significantly lower.

And I found that a good number of top programs don't grant fee waivers to reapplicants. Might have been just me, of course. Since it's your alma mater, you might be lucky.

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Sunday, Feb 24 2019

The world would be a perfect place if those words indicated context every single time (and the global workforce would be operating on a four-weekday calendar, and we would have conquered cancer and hair loss).

It all depends on the context.

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Sunday, Feb 24 2019

The latter. See "Miscellaneous Logical Indicators" under "Introduction to Logic."

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Saturday, Feb 23 2019

Depends on the school's policy. If they send acceptance and waitlist notifications by email and you haven't received one, chances are a rejection letter is on your way.

Here's what I hope will serve as a Chicken Soup for the Soul for those who have yet to hear back and are starting to doubt or even despair...

I received my acceptance to a T13 about two hours ago. I submitted my application on Halloween (or October 31st, for those who are not familiar with Halloween or its variations). I also applied to the same school in 2016; I submitted my application around late-November and was accepted on January 4th back then.

In other words, about 6-7 weeks elapsed before I heard back from the school during the 2016-2017 application cycle. This cycle? About 12 weeks. So, all other factors notwithstanding, it took me almost twice as long to hear back from the same school.

Now, I said "other factors notwithstanding." Chances are there was at least one factor (e.g. the fact that I'm a reapplicant) at play. Not to mention that this is just a datum out of tens of thousands. But I just wanted to tell y'all that things are still happening.

Also, I received my acceptance email around noon (PST) in 2017. This year, however, I received the email around 5 p.m. (also PST). So it seems that at least one school doesn't have a strict temporal guideline for sending acceptance emails.

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Friday, Feb 22 2019

Are they necessary? Will I be at a disadvantage if I don't use them?

This is not my first time studying for the lsat. I have used other prep courses before and have also self studied with the LSAT trainer (which i loved).

No, especially since you meddled around with at least two prep courses and the Trainer. Taking a proper prep course is more than enough to get you equipped to tackle the LSAT. And you had the Trainer. They all point in the same direction. So do the Bibles. So does 7Sage.

Stop theorizing. Start practicing. Get your target score.

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Friday, Feb 22 2019

So far I've had 4 waitlists (GULC, Cornell, Michigan, Columbia)... Was pleasantly surprised by Columbia.

I am not a fan of breaking bad news, but Columbia is infamous for its waitlist admittance rate: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=225363

This is not to imply, of course, that getting waitlisted by Columbia is an insignificant feat. It is entirely impossible for some Reserve applicants to be admitted off the waitlist. If you turn out to be one of those people, feel free to point your finger at my ID and laugh at me.

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Wednesday, Mar 21 2018

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What's your LEAST favorite RC passage(s)?

(Warning: Spoiler aler... t?)

In an ideal world, each of us would treat each RC passage equally. No passage (type) would be preferred over another; all LSAT candidates from different backgrounds would embrace all passages with same curiosity, eagerness, and love. Reality, alas, proves otherwise. One person might hate a specific passage type because he or she finds its subject matter boring or daunting; another might not like a specific passage because the passage was just too hard; still another might dislike a specific passage because there was that one brutal question that affected his or her performance on the rest of the section, along with many others'.

What the title says. Which RC passage(s) haunts you to this date? I do not like the passages on Roy Lichtenstein (the pop artist who used elements from comic books) and Eileen Gray (the architect who used lacquer). I just don't get art except music, but art passages can be quite interesting - passages on Noguchi (the Japanese American sculptor who created the "negative light" sculpture), Cameron (cheesy photography), Schoenberg (and his three-stage musical development), and perfume ("Perfumes are art too!"), for instance. I did not like those two, however. Especially Eileen Gray.

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Thursday, Feb 21 2019

Michigan takes longer than other schools. It took me about two weeks.

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Thursday, Feb 21 2019

What was the average wait time for the schools you applied? 3 weeks?

My average time is well over 12 weeks. But while I submitted my applications on October and November (when most apps are submitted), you submitted your application in mid-February. I wouldn't think your wait period will be more than 2 months, as schools have to make decisions by certain dates due to deposit deadlines and whatnot.

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Saturday, Mar 09 2019

As far as I can tell, those schools are intrigued by your application, albeit not to the point they accepted you outright (or there is something in your applications that made those schools hesitate). Barring any C&F issues or any other red flags, I would think a higher LSAT score will significantly raise your chances (and scholarships) next cycle; your GPA is great, and some of the best programs are clearly interested in you. If you really, really do not want to or cannot wait another year, you probably want to draft some LOCIs.

I noticed that you didn't mention any acceptances. Hope you have at least one alternative to rely on.

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Saturday, Mar 09 2019

"Lagitha performs fifth only if Norton performs third."

from the rules, I understand the translation to be:

L=5--------->N=3

BUT i don't understand for the life of me why. They seem to be biconditional.

As in: "Lagitha can perform anytime she wants unless norton is third, and in that case, she must be 5th." Confirming the necessary in this case, actually confirms the sufficient.

You do not know whether those sufficient and necessary conditions are the only conditions that are sufficient or necessary for the occurrence of the other. For all you know, there could be other conditions that come into play.

Suppose there is a rule in one of the states: "You can shoot another person with a gun only if that person is in possession of a gun." Per your logic, everyone who is subject to the rule would be able to shoot and kill people like gun dealers, police officers, and hunters who were trying to show their children the ropes. If you shoot any of those people and end up in the court for, say, voluntary manslaughter, the judge may not be very impressed with that particular interpretation. Chances are there are other conditions that allow one to resort to that rule -- like seeing someone else break into his or her place of residence with a gun in his or her hand(s), for example.

If all else fails, I would say this is one of those things you just have to accept and move on. You know, kind of like "one plus one is two."

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Friday, Mar 08 2019

1st sentence: $ increase ---> P increase -- which can be rewritten as ~(P increase) ---> ~($ increase)

2nd sentence, 1st part (conclusion): ~($ increase)

2nd sentence, 2nd part: Little invest

This is a sufficient assumption question. We are looking for an answer choice that would lead us to ~($ increase). With the two premises, I would think that the correct answer choice would be something like

Little invest ---> ~(P increase)

and that is what (D) expresses.

(E) is wrong because no premise discusses contributing to increasing productivity.

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Friday, Mar 08 2019

I honestly want to attend ASU Law in the future, but not sure if I should try to get my career kicked off as soon as possible, and transfer to ASU. [...] But I would imagine I would go to Barry or Cooley with my stats, then transfer.

All other things notwithstanding, please don't sign on the dotted line for a law school with the intention to transfer:

https://classic.7sage.com/admissions/discussion/#/discussion/15964/should-you-go-to-a-law-school-you-dont-want-or-should-you-try-the-lsat-again

Retaking is the best option.

I sat in on a law school class two days ago. In the second half of the lecture, the class dissected and applied a lengthy statute to hypotheticals. The statute, as I recall, was basically a conditional statement in the form of

A → [B and (C or D)]

(where two or three of these four variables are "and" or "or" groups)

At least one student had a hard time dissecting the statute (shame (s)he didn't take 7Sage), so the professor had to highlight conditional terms to help the student.

So, just in case you didn't know, evidently one's LSAT skills don't become completely useless after entering law school. Hopefully you now have one more reason to master those conditional lessons.

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Thursday, Mar 07 2019

If "some" means at least one but not all.

A ginormous misconception here. "Some" encompasses "all" as well; it can range from at least one to all. Suppose there is a group of 100 entities; "some" denotes all possibilities ranging from 1 entity to 100 entities.

You may want to review the "some" lessons under "Some and Most Relationships."

How is it that the logical opposite of "All cats are pretentious" is "Some cats are not pretentious"??

The logical opposite of "all" (100) is "not all" (0-99). And both "not all" and "some not" mean the same thing: they denote scenarios where, in the hypothetical group of 100 entities, 0-99 entities possess a certain characteristic (or, in other words, 1-100 entities do not possess the said characteristic), whatever it may be. So the logical opposite of "all Cs are P" would be "not all Cs are P," i.e. "some Cs are not P."

If we're dealing with the group "cat" and "things that are not pretentious" wouldn't the statement "some cars are not pretentious" leaves the possibility that ZERO cats are not pretentious? Which directly contradicts the definition of some which is at LEAST one but not all?

Again, "some" can mean anything from one to all. And as explained in the previous paragraph, the statement "some Cs are not P" can mean that "all Cs are not P."

(For the record, "some Cs are not P" does not entail that "ZERO Cs are not P." "Zero Cs are not P" is equivalent to "all Cs are P," which is impossible per "some Cs are not P," or "not all Cs are P." See where you made a mistake?)

I'm confused to why he doesn't just use "not all" as the contradiction to "all" which would leave the range (0-99) which would make things simpler by not directly going against the definition of "some"

Like I said, "some not" is equivalent to "not all." It's just a matter of preference.

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Thursday, Mar 07 2019

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Pepperdine has a grad that clerked for SCOTUS. Does that mean you should seriously consider the school if that's the job you want?

Which is exactly why I specifically recommended the OP to opt for UVA or any T13s he gets into if (s)he has his or her eyes set on legal academia. There are two non-T13 CVs I saw, and those professors were hired a long, long time ago.

But even though UVA has a decent number of grads that are now tenured professors, the super majority come from HYS.

A T6 legal academia placement personnel commented that law schools are becoming increasingly receptive to non-HYS applicants (though I would love to see what "increasingly" really means).

Besides, UVA sounds like a far better option than the rest (WUSTL, USC, NU).

The best option would be to retake the LSAT and shoot for T6 (provided that the OP has a good GPA), of course. But if the OP is not willing to or cannot, and wants to make the best out of what (s)he has right now, then UVA or another T13 would be the way to go. For all we know, the OP might kick asses in law school and transfer into a T6.

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Thursday, Mar 07 2019

@ said:

@ said:

UW dinged me really quickly. I wasn't sure why when I've got in a couple of higher ranked schools. Oh well.

Perhaps they thought you would't commit to attending their school even if you were admitted?

I would think that's the case.

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Wednesday, Feb 07 2018

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What's your favorite RC passage(s)?

What the title says. I'm sure each of us had at least one passage that really piqued his or her interest, found amusing for one reason or another, turned his or her life upside down, etc.

I'm not a big fan of art passages, but I really liked the passages about perfume (PT 74) and Julia Margaret Cameron's photography (PT 73). The former was quite engaging, as I have never given a thought about perfume as an art form. As for the latter, I found its descriptions about unhappy children and sloppy decors hilarious.

I apologize if this was covered already; could not find anything about this via discussion and Google searches.

I received an application receipt confirmation email from Northwestern today. The email, as a good number of confirmation emails go, gives a link to the online status checker, as well as my username and password. For some reason, my password is composed entirely of asterisks, just as follows:

Username: [my username]

Password: *********

I haven't done my online interview yet (plan to do so by Friday at the latest). Did I receive that all-asterisk password due to the fact that I have yet to complete my interview? Or is it something else?

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Tuesday, Mar 05 2019

@ said:

If law professor is the only occupation you want, I think you'd want to narrow down the list further than that.

The odds get quite slim, but they are not nil either. I have seen a number of CVs with T13 (i.e. non-T5) degrees.

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Tuesday, Mar 05 2019

@ said:

Checking in as I too am weighing UVA @ sticker (250k debt burden upon graduation) vs. WashU with a nice scholly (90k debt burden at graduation) and Wisconsin with 30k debt. Also sitting on 4 T14 WL's FWIW.

I would like to clerk and potentially move into teaching mid-career if I have the right grades so that certainly makes the decision harder.

You may want to stick with UVA or any T13 school you get admitted off the waitlist if you want go into teaching, especially legal academia.

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Tuesday, Mar 05 2019

See "The Blind Review Method" section in the syllabus. As for the last question, you would review and try to not fall for the same (or a similar) trick in the future.

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Sunday, Mar 03 2019

As far as my reading of Amazon's product description goes, Breaking the LSAT sounds like a guide with emphasis on a single, recent practice test, not a book that tells you how to approach (a section of) the LSAT. If you are comparing that book to any 7Sage curriculum, I'm inclined to think that almost anyone would vote for the latter, as it would give you a comprehensive approach without "burning" a recent PT.

(I should note that the comparison is quite unfair to begin with. Comparing a book that focuses on a single PT to a comprehensive curriculum is just... uneven.)

You might sign up for 7Sage, Fox, or whatever prep course you prefer. If you seek to self-study, I recommend The LSAT Trainer or the PowerScore Bibles, especially the former. But whatever you do, get rid of that book. Don't "burn" a recent PT.

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Saturday, Mar 02 2019

Congratulations!

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Saturday, Mar 02 2019

Thank you so much!

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Saturday, Mar 02 2019

I stand corrected!

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Saturday, Mar 02 2019

The problem with the stimulus is not that it makes a wrongful reversal, but that it makes a wrongful negation. You are kind of right, however, as those two errors tend to go hand-in-hand: both wrongful reversal and wrongful negation assume that A ---> B and B ---> A.

The stimulus says that, since ~PWP ---> ~GLS, PWP ---> GLS. The contrapositive of the stimulus is GLS ---> PWP, however. So the argument assumes its own conclusion without justification. This is what (D) points out: the argument assumes PWP is sufficient for GLS.

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