What's the difference between different days? Like I signed up for thurdsay for October because I was like, all things equal, more time is better for me but not if there's an increase in difficulty? This is a huge concern that I can't find any information and I'd really appreciate any information on the difference in test experiences between the days. Otherwise I'll take the 3rd, I just found out that you can take it later in the week. obviously this is time sensitve.
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Hey, so there aren't many people in Sac (where I am) and I kind of would like to focus on RC with someone since it's so mentally draining for me. LG is also something I'd like to just go over since it's something I want to improve on. Something like skype or on the phone. 3rd month of studying so I'm fairly familiar with this test, but if you're a beginner I don't really mind too much to be honest.
In case anyone wants to know what I usually average I tend to sort of miss -4 to -7 on RC and LG is weird but I can miss up to 5 on that as well. LR is also something I'm always down for it's just rn my biggest weakness is in RC so yea. Any questions or anything like that or if you're interested hmu!
So I did not know this and hopefully someone can confirm, but if and ONLY IF you get a refund for canceling a score AND you get to know your score and still cancel? Then yeah dude, cancel. Free practice test and you get to try harder a bit. Idk how much time you got but you seem motivated.
Respect yourself, your potential and your money. Idc how rich you are 200$ is $ and saving it and getting a chance to score 170+ is a great opportunity I had no idea this was a thing.
Here's another thing; don't do the "I'm going to keep this as a backup". In life, commit to your goal. The LSAT is probably a venue into Law school which should be a commitment. So the LSAT is your priority right now and you should make sure you do your utmost. If you are planning to get a better score don't think "what if I don't". Think instead, ok good I know I CAN get 166 or whatever, but now I'm gonna get 170 or whatever your new score is. Each additional point you get is worth it, and time and money are your two most valuable assets in this life. Just my perspective.
Oh god I'm mortified. Does the basic bundle allow PT's like in the new digital format? that's what I have and I can't find it on the site tbh.
Also why is your name Louis the poor? Thanks!
So I completed the LSAT Trainer on my own and thought, maybe I should do 7sage since it gets all these great reviews and it seemed like a great investment. But I found out that I can get all the LG videos for free and I can still use other aspects of the website without having to spend a dime...my question is it worth going through 7Sage curriculum if I've completed the LSAT Trainer since so far it seems very similar as it is in fact the same guy who wrote the book (JY).
Hope this doesn't offend anyone, I just honestly didn't realize there would be a similarity in the course and to anyone that's done both I was wondering if I maybe made a mistake? Thanks!
Edit: Alright Thanks for all the responses I will take it into consideration I have 2 weeks left before refund runs out. Thanks again!
Thanks a lot! I was recently sick and noticed sipping on mineral water (for my throat) not only made me less thirsty but also didn't really make me have to go to the bathroom since I would drink less. How come I shouldn't do it on before or on test day? Surely since I'm studying/PTing with IF then reducing the variables between study/actual test would be good? Unless it just doesn't work at all with LSAT
Ok so hi everyone I've been stalking reddit/7sage forums for a while now and I've been studying for a month and a half and doing sections and using LSAT trainer, and old practice tests to do mentioned sections. Now I'm kind of plateauing with LR and LG even untimed it usually ends up being 2-5 wrong for LR and 2-7 for LG (untimed, timed it's like 5-7).
So I'm confident from what everyone has said that improvement is possible and I'm optimistic for the LR and LG every where it says timing and perfect scores consistently is possible it just requires a lot (emphasis on lot) of dedication. That's all well and good. Here's where I get kind of messed up on: Mental focus and stamina not to mention physical.
I already get bored within a few seconds of each question, but thankfully I'm getting better at it but after about 2 sections or maybe 3 I absolutely need to go for a walk. Not to mention I do intermittent fasting which means lots of fluids which means I need to use the restroom at least every 90 minutes since hydration helps with mental clarity (ironically). Does anyone have any tips besides repitition to increase a) my ability to handle long 4 hour tests (I think its 4 with essay right?) and if anyone else does IF do you have any tips to handle the singular break? Thanks a ton and sorry for long post eek. Also tips on breaking plateaus for those sections would be appreciated as well it's just they're not super pressing to me
Thanks to everyone, I'm just ready to get this over with and also I'm afraid of my computer not working on test day which would suck too.
So I don't know if it's too late to petition to change my October Exam to November, but if it is I do have a question and I'm not sure which is wiser; should I change to November? Some background info; not applying this year, retaking a 163, underperformed last time and afraid to repeat, pting average of -.6 LG, -4.3 RC, -2.5 LR over past 10ish tests.
Flex places a higher importance on RC which is something that impacts me greatly since my range is from -3 to -6, and a -6 in RC on test day pretty much forces me to only miss 1 question just to get a 170. I'm working on RC but I'm not sure I can drop a -4 to a more reasonable score.
For the record, when I last took the LSAT I was pting around 171 and with my current pt's I really want to be done with the LSAT. Apologies if it seems like a flex, but I'm more concerned with underperforming what I seem to be able to get. Also due to recent strides in RC from an average of -5.1 (a little worse since I'm discounting some tests that I can't find records of) to this I was a little optimistic.
I'm not really sure, maybe I don't have much of a choice and have to take the October or cancel, which I'm not going to do, I'd rather just take it, but I thought I'd ask for advice.
Thanks in advance! Good luck in your journey, if you have any questions otherwise feel free to ask.
Edit: Thanks for your responses everyone, if you did have questions about LSAT tips or anything I'm happy to answer but now I'm confused, the test change link is for 2018....as in the dates are referring to test date changes from 2018 on the petition to change my test date.
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Hi! I took the LSAT in November and got a 166, so this isn't one of those "I got 170+" stories.
Some background about me; a year and a half ago (July 2019) I had the brilliant idea that with my incredibly low gpa I couldn't get into any grad program I wanted but law school was much more "splitter-friendly" so I'll just take the LSAT and become a lawyer! I argue...sometimes. That's what lawyers do right? I was super lazy, unhealthy, played video games all day, and watch tv shows when I was too lazy to press buttons.
So I bought an LSAT test booklet (62-71) and was like ok Diagnostic time! I tried the first question (I think it was LR?) then the next. Couldn't even finish the section or the rest of the LSAT for that matter since I was so mentally exhausted and tired. And I missed half of the few that I got right when I later checked. Idk what diagnostic score that counted for, but somewhere in the 130s maybe. That was my starting point.
After revamping a lot of my life I ended up consistently getting a 162, then retaking and getting a 166 while scoring mostly in the 170s. After having gone through that, I look back and realize how fortunate (financially and time-wise) I was to have been able to make the steps to get that far. Which leads me to the point of the post.
Skipped background, here's the point; I've received a lot of free information on this and other websites, and having finished the past year and received essentially free tutoring from u/lsat_is_samsara (thanks a lot to that guy for his patience), I decided I'd like to offer tutoring like he did as well. Granted he's a genius, but whatever I can offer through zoom or discord I'd be happy to offer it to anyone who might need/want it.
I also have an ulterior motive; I actually enjoyed the process of trying to master the LSAT. And then finally accepting my test score rather than vehemently obsessing over a 170. Which I'm still somewhat sore over. I think the LSAT made me a better person and a better thinker. I swear the LSAC doesn't pay me to say these things; forcing myself to assess how I think and reason was very helpful in other aspects of my life (emotional health, decision making, investing etc.) So if I can help instill some of that in some of the prospective students who are maybe railing against the frustrations they feel about the test, I'd like to do that.
Some information/ideas off the bat from me; (this will be for people who maybe just started the LSAT, though feel free to read if you wish)
Logical reasoning; relationship between the premise/conclusion is paramount. Attack it with everything you've got, try to destroy the opposition for ever considering making such a fallacious argument.
Ex: If we hire more employees, we'll make more profits! You: What about the costs of scaling up? What if the market is already saturated with our product and our increasing production will drive prices down? What if tomorrow an earthquake happens, the employees die and they all had earthquake insurance?
Reading comprehension; my most difficult to improve, yet imo the most valuable to work on from the beginning. Read everything critically? Reading a novel? Why is the author saying this? How does relate to previous chapters? Reading a news article? What is the point of the piece? How does the author express their main point and whose view points are being used here? Question everything. And practice whenever you can. You will be reading a lot! Best fall in love with it.
A lot of people who strive to become lawyers come from non-stem backgrounds with low doses of math. I think this hurts people, especially for this test. Every answer is 100% correct. There is no "well let's agree to disagree". This is, basically, a math test. Instead of variables like x, y, z you have words that have values. And instead of asking you to solve for x, it asks you to find the flaw (or how to correct it). Some questions recently have definitely become much less clear cut, but the education of math has also become a lot more complicated as time goes on. This may appear like bad news, but the good aspect of this is, you can figure it out. It's understandable and reliable. Once you start getting a question type, you can rely on that experience to master other like questions.
LG; this is one which a lot of test takers complain that it's unrelated to law. To me, it's the most apt testing of one's "lawyering" skills. Granted my lack of experience in law may bias me, but LG is testing your ability to understand the rules of a system, and how to play the game. Imagine a client asking you about tax law. You have to know the laws/statutes (rules of the system) and what options your client has to optimizing their situation (playing the game). It becomes more complicated than that, but this is a pretty simple start to that mentality. Plus, this is the section you can practice and get 100% nearly every time!
If you have any questions, feel free to reach out! Otherwise if this was uninteresting to you, or if it didn't help, then I wish you well this new year and hope you get the score you deserve (if you're still taking it)!
And if you disagree with anything I say, please let others know in the comments; I might not think I'm wrong by saying the above, but someone else may read what I wrote and take it at face value. Unless they're practiced in reading LSAT stimuli lol.
EDIT: So a lot of people have been contacting me or writing here on how to contact me. You can message me personally here and if you're comfortable with a call, leave either an email or a number for me to zoom/call you along with a comfortable time/date so that we can schedule something this week! I am PST, and free generally after 3 pm! I do have other obligations so that is not set in stone, but I will do my best to circumvent it and respond to all questions/requests for tutoring.
Please hedge your expectations as I am not a professional tutor and will most likely deviate in some areas regarding their assistance! Good luck to all!
Ok, I have had no relatives die to cancer (in my lifetime) so perhaps my response won't be accurate. Also I may come off a bit crude in my response but here goes.
Fuck no. First of all, (again my opinion) family comes first. I don't know exactly what your situation is besides what's been written down, but you obviously have prior commitments and responsibilities. Secondary Education (Especially law school) can be postponed. I know of so many people (myself included) who take gap years or two or even switch careers in mid 30s/40s. So it's never "too late" to be motivated. Law careers are in any case very invested so you really shouldn't go into it unless you're devoted to your passion. But in any case, family first, don't stress yourself out with applications during a time where your family needs you and (just as importantly) you need to recover, you're obviously going through hell right now.
Secondly. This is a bit more pragmatic in its approach, but you really shouldn't apply with a 158 nor should you rush your LSAT or legal career. Just as with family, your future should be given 100% of your effort. Don't half-ass your family life nor your future goals. Likewise, even if you go to a top 100 Lawschool, your LSAT allows you the possiblity of a debt-free education which you actually cannot put a price on since your options (financially) increase tremendously over your lifetime. So giving "due diligence" to the LSAT is a tremendously good choice. Passing a year and applying early next year after getting a much higher score will be a boon to not only you, but your parents will at least not have to worry as much. Plus you get to spend time with your family so that's always a positive.
Thirdly. If you decide to go ahead and take LSAT anyways in october, I may warn you from my own personal experience that taking even a PT during stressful times gets me a lower score than my average or even my worst ones. So keep that in mind that you're wasting a take during a stressful time.
Final words/tldr: I'd suggest just trying to fix one problem/issue at a time. I can't imagine what you're going through, so make it easier on yourself and don't add on every possible burden or future problem on your shoulders. You obviously are a good child to your parents, make sure you don't kill yourself doing so because your parents wouldn't want that on their conscience. Would you want someone to jeopardize their future (from your LSAT or potentially bad law school apps) on your behalf? That would cause your parents guilt I'd think and that would go back to you. Unless you're magical and you can somehow handle that. In which case, do you.
All in all, I do wish you and your family the best and that the tumor ends up being a nonissue for your family in the future and you weather it. In life, make decisions that the future you will be thankful for. Don't half ass your family nor your future.
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I actually find the digital version much easier to do. At least on the couple I've tried on LSAC and the one here. Having said that I bought all the 10 Actual Books and so I'm going to probably have to use paper to practice most of them especially for blind review, since I don't like how you have to go through the problems on here digitally. Just a physical preference I guess.
Another thing is that for most students, pencil on paper fosters a better memory instinctively so it's more challenging but that enables a stronger preparation for test day. In fact I would practice on both for the same reason that I don't study in the same location day in and day out. Forcing yourself to learn the same material/skills in different environments/variables might facilitate a better handling on the test.
If you're almost certain that you will get a higher score? Yes. A point or two would go far especially since for you merit aid is a huge factor. For example in my case I would love to exchange financial aid in lieu of T14. BUT, if we're comparing your preferred schools then all things equal you should want a higher score. If you can, why not? You'd save thousands of extra dollars at least just by spending 200$ on another test and according to yourself not much extra effort apparently. I'm confused why, given your own set of values (low school cost/saving money, wanting to go to a more T30 or something school, public interest etc) you're denying yourself the opportunity to do well.
Given the chance, wouldn't you redo something to get a better result in life? You have that opportunity with the LSAT. When you have a case in the future you won't get the chance to get a marginally better verdict for your client(s). But you do now, so you're doing yourself a disservice by not trying.
P.S. not trying to bash your self esteem :) I know you have self respect, I'm just using that assumption to form a conclusion. #LRpracticeirl.