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Saturday, Oct 16 2021

Awesome work - congrats :smile:

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jonathankorger285
Tuesday, Oct 12 2021

@ said:

Although I will say that as a philosophy major, I'd challenge the idea that philosophy is economically useless beyond LSAT preparation. :wink:

Haha I didn't say it! you have to take it up with the big man himself :wink: Glad you found the podcast useful tho!

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@ good stuff Jon!!

Thanks - but I could never live up to yours!

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Thursday, Oct 07 2021

Hey @ - for me, personally, my test day penalty was driven by a sense of panic. I'd have this thought like "it's the actual test, holy cow" but something more explicit than "holy cow".

I did have a test day penalty on my last take, but it was much smaller than my previous penalty. I think what caused the penalty to decrease to something reasonable boils down to two things:

I felt like I had so much to do before answering each question. For example, in LR I needed to break down the argument into parts, predict a right AC, potentially skip the question, etc. In RC, I needed to predict the MP, highlight details, review low res, etc. So instead of thinking "what's the right answer?" I was focused on the actual content. Standardizing my approach stopped my mind from wandering to those panic thoughts.

I accepted what was outside of my control. Sometimes you're going to get a section that's tough for you personally. Other times you might get a RC passage that plays perfectly to your interests. Accepting that there's an element of luck is important to calm nerves, in my opinion. It led me to recognize that all I could control was my approach to each game, passage, stimulus, and ACs. The rest was up to LSAC.

I'm just one opinion here, I'm sure other folks have different viewpoints. Either way, best of luck with your studies. You've got this :smile:

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Wednesday, Oct 06 2021

Thanks for having me! :smile:

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Thursday, Sep 23 2021

Couldn't agree more with @ - so many great callouts in this episode. Awesome stuff @ !!

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Monday, Sep 13 2021

I was wondering the same thing @ -- I really wish we could actually see the bell curves for FLEX vs Non-flex. It would be interesting to compare the right tails, specifically. To think they could have avoided all of this by just keeping it 5 sections....but oh whale.

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Friday, Sep 10 2021

Way to stick with it - congrats on an awesome score :smile:

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Friday, Sep 10 2021

Congrats!!!

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Friday, Sep 10 2021

There's a ton of good advice on this post. Bumping!

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Friday, Sep 10 2021

Awesome - congrats!

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Wednesday, Sep 08 2021

Remember:

it's just one test

it's a test you can take multiple times

theoretically, your highest score matters most to law schools

This score doesn't define you :smile:

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jonathankorger285
Thursday, Aug 19 2021

@ said:

Like many if not most (all?) of you, I heard many times about how the LSAT isn't really useful in law school, just a rough predictor of 1L grades, you just have to do it to get in, etc.

That is a fucking lie.

Good call out. Best of luck with 1L!

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Thursday, Aug 12 2021

@ said:

I would recommend delaying your test and covering the entire CC. It covers some very important information.

Loophole is helpful not so much because of its information but because of the drills and mindset. Nowhere else (that I know of) emphasizes the importance of “translation” on the test. Simply Reading loophole will do you little good. Working through Loophole and really doing the translation drills will help tremendously, IMO.

Couldn't agree more.

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Sunday, Aug 01 2021

@ said:

I understand as "most likely" in the LSAT, so yeah >50%.

Yes! Another way to think about it: probably = probable and for something to be probable, it has to be 50%+

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Tuesday, Jul 27 2021

@ - no problem! I always used warm-up. Usually one basic logic game and then 5-6 LR questions.

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Sunday, Jul 25 2021

thanks @ and @ !

I didn't work on full sections of RC between PTs @ -- instead I would take individual passages timed from PTs 1-35. I personally found RC the most difficult to improve on (i.e. decrease volatility in scores) but I think using the older passages for working on timing & strategy helps on the full 35 minute sections.

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Friday, Jul 23 2021

@ - I did the passages in order. I used to skip to the comparative passage first, but after looking at my PT data I found that I was spending too much time on it. I would rarely skip a question on RC unless I was completely lost after looking at the ACs. I would also use the JY round 1 & round 2 approach on the comparative.

@ - I wrote out my LR and RC strategy in a few of the previous comments higher up on this thread :smile:

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Friday, Jul 23 2021

@ - glad to hear it. I think having a strong ability to translate conditional rules helps in LR specifically. There's some in/out games in PTs 1-35 that definitely help on MSS, MBT, SA, etc.

Also, this was my strategy for RC:

I would highlight any details that I found important - for example, language that indicated tone, conditional logic, anything put in quotes

After each paragraph, I would make a mental note of the low-res

I'd actively hunt for the main point/conclusion - usually there's a sentence or two that cuts to the point of the passage. If I found it, I would underline it.

After the passage, I would run through each paragraph (quickly) focusing on low-res, structure, and the main point/conclusion .

Finally, when I was in the questions I'd pay special attention to the strength of the language. "According to the passage" stems are very different than "most strongly supports" because they call for a different strength of evidence.

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Friday, Jul 23 2021

@ - for LR, my strategy was all about skipping. I had some triggers that let me automatically skip. For example, any argument-based question (Str/Wkn/Flaw/Eval/PF/SA/NA) that I couldn't reasonably predict the correct AC for, I'd skip on round 1. At least for me personally, I figured that I should always have at least one assumption in mind going into the ACs. The same applies for labeling argument questions - Conclusion, AP, and MOR. RRE, Principle, and MSS are a little different, as they're more difficult to anticipate.

Long story short: I would try to predict the right AC before diving into A-E. It saved a lot of time.

As far as prep went for LR, besides taking PTs and BRing, I think translation drills really helped. Take a new LR section (preferably one between PTs 1-35) and don't look at the ACs. Ever. Read through each stimulus once, then write down everything you can remember (conclusion, premises, details). Return to the stimulus and compare to what you've written down. Did you get the "big picture"? were you able to pick up on smaller details? After doing this for a week or so, it definitely improved my ability to recall information.

Hopefully that helps a bit!

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Friday, Jul 23 2021

@ @ @ - glad you guys found it helpful!

@ - thanks! Best of luck with your upcoming cycle. Excited to see where you land

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Thursday, Jul 22 2021

jonathankorger285

8 Things I Wish I'd Known

These types of posts were really helpful for me while studying, so I felt like I owed this post to the forum. I’ve tried to boil it down to 8 things that I wish I could tell an earlier version of myself that was studying for the LSAT.

Timelines are Man-Made

At one point, I was so convinced that I needed to be a KJD. After an unsuccessful first LSAT take, a few awesome people challenged my thinking and I’m glad they did. It afforded me more time to study for this test and get some great work experience before school. This has been said 1,000x, but don’t take the LSAT before you’re really ready. Like PTing-above-your-target-range ready - based on my experience, the test day penalty is real. Please learn from my mistakes :)

If you want to hit your full potential, take JY’s post about how studying can take over a year seriously. Unless you’re an LSAT unicorn, that’s just how it is. This isn’t another college exam where you’re being tested on knowledge, instead the LSAT tests skills. Skills take time to develop and finetune. Accept that the timeline will likely be long, exhausting, and even slightly annoying. It’ll make your life easier.

And btw, when people say things like “you’ve been studying for HOW long?” or other snide bs, just don’t listen to them. If you want to perform at your best, it may take a while. I started studying in the spring of ‘19 and received my 170 in June ‘21. I didn’t study that entire time, but collectively it took over a year.

“The difference between a 165 and 170 is strategy”

I received a 166 on the January exam. Based on my last 5 PTs, this was a fat underperformance. I knew why my score dipped: I panicked during LR and RC. The harder question to answer -- why did I panic?

Then I heard this quote about strategy. I think @Sami or @canihazJD said it (thanks!) on the podcast. Unlike LG, I didn’t have any real strategy for LR and RC. Once I started implementing skipping rules in LR and started standardizing my approach to RC, I became far less likely to panic and saw less volatility in my scores.

Strategy builds confidence and you’ll need confidence when shit hits the fan on test day.

Logic games can be slain

I was NOT good at LGs ( -10 or so a section) and it took me a long time to get to -0/-1. I would get frustrated when I’d read about how “learnable” they are -- really, just a bruised ego on my end. Here’s a quick overview of what worked for me.

I did games over and over and over again. I foolproofed games 1-35 and would foolproof games after each full PT I took. Eventually, I’d dedicate full study days just to foolproofing a gametype. Sequencing. Grouping. In/Out. Etc. By the end of these days, my brain was mush. That being said, I started to see inferences far more quickly. It also helped me anticipate splits/SGBs and the right ACs.

Also I adopted a section strategy - here’s a high level overview: during timed sections I would read the first two games before deciding which game I’d tackle first. I’d do the same for the third and fourth games. This approach helped me build confidence under timed conditions. Having a strategy can really help you feel under control and forget about nerves.

I’d also put my finger on the screen to make sure I didn’t misread a rule - weird, I know. But I found that at a certain point, if I was struggling with a game it was because I misread a rule. Back when the LSAT was made of paper, JY recommended touching every word with your pencil. This is kinda my adaptation to the times. Everyone functions differently, but I had a tendency to jump the gun while reading rules. Touching each word forced me to slow down and understand the game.

If possible, use your most productive hours on study

Try to study for the LSAT before other activities burn you out. Work and classes, for example, can eat up a lot of mental energy. Personally, this meant studying before work. I didn’t enjoy waking up at 5 but it was well worth it. ALSO - don’t compensate for a lack of sleep by drinking a ton of caffeine. Coffee is great...but in moderation.

Meditate

Do it. I would usually do a mix of guided and unguided. I used the Waking Up app for guided meditation. In general, mindfulness is the best - not only for your studies but in your personal life as well. If the LSAT is a real source of anxiety for you, I’d recommend trying out worry scripting. A Google search will point you in the right direction!

Your PT Scores Don’t Matter! Focus on Improvement

Sorry if that comes off as blunt, but it’s true. I used to care a LOT about my PT scores, but they’re just practice. If you hit 100 free throws in practice, it doesn’t really matter, does it? But if you actually work on your mechanics, that can really pay off come game 6. (sorry for the metaphor, I love Giannis)

PTs are a tool for learning, so don’t focus on scores. Leave that for the Reddit users. All that matters: you learn from your mistakes, you maintain your strengths, and you execute on the real thing.

Unplugging is essential

For a while, I tried studying 7 days a week. This was a terrible, terrible idea. It led to constant burn out and, frankly, poor mental health. You can’t replace rest. You can’t replace socialization. You should view these elements of your life as necessary conditions for getting your best score. (they’re also important in their own right, obviously)

A few things that worked for me:

  • taking off at least one day a week from both work and studying (while trying to limit screen time).
  • Setting a hard cutoff time each night to stop looking at work and LSAT materials
  • Finding a new hobby. For me, it was baking cookies - truly a therapeutic exercise
  • Finally, be kind to yourself

    Seriously. If you’re reading this post, you’re likely highly motivated - I know this because you’re reading some dude with a weird username’s LSAT ramblings. I’m willing to bet you put plenty of pressure on yourself. Remember that this is a learning process. Like I’ve said, the LSAT is a skills test. So work your ass off but remember that patience is a virtue. Trust that good things take time.

    Best of luck on the test and beyond!

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    jonathankorger285
    Thursday, Jul 22 2021

    First of all CONGRATS on the 171! Your comments were so valuable to me while studying!

    @ said:

    Throughout my studies I had various people, friends and family members, hit me with the “YOU’RE STILL STUDYING??” or the “JUST TAKE IT AND APPLY ALREADY” - Tune it out. This is your journey and everyone’s will be different. don’t worry about the road you take, just focus on your destination.

    I've been writing a similar post between work meetings in the last few weeks and I have the same note. Those comments are such a nuisance - best to tune them out. Congrats again - you deserve it :smile:

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    jonathankorger285
    Friday, Jul 16 2021

    all great points by @ - and I agree that your schedule might be a bit tight for a 6 point increase.

    I think your schedule should depend on (1) how you're already scoring (2) where you want to score. For example, it's much harder to go from a 164 to 170 (or above) than from a 150 to a 155. Getting those higher scores is about strategy and A LOT of exposure to PTs, whereas if you're in the 150s focusing on the fundamentals can really up your score and sometimes fairly quickly!

    Take my advice with a grain of salt, we're all different and learn in different ways. Best of luck!

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    jonathankorger285
    Thursday, Jul 15 2021

    hey @ glad to hear it!

    I foolproofed roughly half of 1-35 over the course of a summer. I would carve out an hour of my day before work to focus on LG alone. As far as my method, I followed the video JY made almost exactly:

    https://classic.7sage.com/how-to-get-a-perfect-score-on-the-logic-games/

    So my week might look like the following:

    Monday - take a sections of games // BR them after

    Tuesday - watch the videos and hammer any game that gave me issues.

    Wednesday - brush up on the same games again. At this point, I should be getting them under the target time.

    Then I'd start the same cycle over on Thursday. I'd also recommend documenting all of your takes on an excel file or google sheet. Make notes of the game #, game type, number of attempts, time, etc. Then you can periodically return to this list and review.

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    jonathankorger285
    Wednesday, Jul 14 2021

    I'm in the same boat as @ - it definitely got me to -0. I really struggled with LG at the beginning of my studies - after seeing how much it dragged down my PTs I decided to foolproof 1-35. It really, really helped (not only my scores, but my confidence)

    One note: I wouldn't obsess over foolproofing some of the early misc games (e.g. the alphabet/words game). Every other game tho is great practice.

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