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Sunday, Sep 28 2014

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Character/Fitness Questions on Applications

So I am filling out my applications right now and I came across the scary 2 questions:

1)Have you ever been subject to a dismissal, a suspension, probation, an accusation of misconduct, a probable cause hearing, the lowering of a grade, or any other academic or social sanction by a high school, college, university, professional school, or professional association?

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2)Have you ever, including when you were a juvenile, been formally or informally detained, restrained, cited, summoned into court, taken into custody, arrested, accused, charged, convicted, placed on probation, placed on supervision, or forfeited collateral in connection with any offense against a law or an ordinance?

I am really nervous about these because they sound so serious and I can't 100% say no the them and not sure what to do....here is my situation:

1) In highschool a parent of an athlete from our rival school in the state football championship went on facebook and found 100's of pictures from over 200 students in my class and sent them to the principal in the mail on a disc. The moms goal was to get our football guys suspended before the state championship that weekend. The pictures were of hundreds of kids in different social situations hanging out and in the pictures were either red solo cups, lighters, etc. random stuff. I was in one of the pictures smiling NEXT to a person who was drinking from a red solo cup. The principal called me in and asked if the people in the pic next to me were drinking alcohol, I said to my knowledge there was alcohol there but I was not drinking. Which is true, I am 24 now so I really don't care anyways if I was, but I wasn't. I was very straight edged in high school. Anyways, I got suspended because I admitted to being around alcohol at a school function (it was a picture at a football game).......is this something I have to say? It is kind of odd and random and really stupid.

Also after my second semester of undergrad, I was put on academic probation because I left halfway through the semester for personal and family reasons. I got back in school the next semester and finished my degree all the way through without any breaks.

2) I had 2 underage drinking tickets in the very beginning of my undergrad days. Even though I blew like a .04 both times, because I was under 21 they were still drinking tickets. I wasn't driving, nothing illegal on me, no issues with the cops or anything. Did not even have to go to court, just paid $200 and that was it. I don't even think they are in the Wisconsin records. Do the schools still have a way to look these up if they were never even put into a record? How do people word these things on applications? Don't want to lie or do anything to get in trouble. All minor, minor stuff but it can still look bad I guess. Hate that I have to click "yes" to these questions over such minor things.

Anyone else in the same boat or have any thoughts? Thanks!

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kelseyrheineck610
Saturday, Sep 27 2014

I am so sorry to hear about your grandparent passing :( as if that isn't hard enough alone...add it into LSAT, some things just are not fair....the materials you have left are awesome! 72 sure is tough, that was the one I took officially and I have since retaken it on my own. I still did somewhat decent on my own but it was rough. I am hoping it was a mind thing because it was my actual test.

Thank you for that link! I am downloading the PTS on there now. Thank you!!!!

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kelseyrheineck610
Saturday, Sep 27 2014

Awesome! Thank you so much...that video was helpful. Worries me how much he stresses to only take it once seeing as I already messed that up. First time was so awful and it will be a burden I have to overcome. Maybe I will add in an explanation paper in my applications. Honesty is always good, right? Ha the truth is that I was ignorant of what a beast this test is. I have always done well in school and testing in particular. It humbled me in that sense and I have spent 20-30 hours a week since June 9th(I instantly knew I would be taking it again) studying and working very hard to do well on this the second time around.

Thanks again for the video!

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Friday, Sep 26 2014

Thank you! I plan to use the earliest ones for logic game drills and the other sections as adding in a 5th section here and there.

I took the June test which was a terrible mistake. I scored a 146 because I was very foolish and studied for 3 weeks. The LSAT is a beast and I had no idea what I was up against. It was a humbling experience to say the least. Anyways, after the test I signed up for the Powerscore class...incredibly expensive...it finished and a few weeks ago I was scoring in the mid 150's. It is ok, I guess. I found 7sage only 3 weeks ago and its amazing how much I have learned in very little time (now scoring high 150's/low 160's). Things are just finally starting to click. Concepts I have been confused on for months with Powerscore. I decided I am going to withdraw from tomorrow's test and take it in December. In the last few days my score has gone up a few points because of 7sage...why not wait 2 more months with the chance for it to go up a few more points, or at least make sure my highest scores now are solid and reliable.

Here is the problem....between the Powerscore course this summer, the 'studying' for June's test and just on my own, I have burned through most of the recent PT's. With all the courses I have paid for I virtually have almost every practice test....but the most recent ones I have already taken. I am not sure how I should continue studying until December. I am using the scheduler on this site and I just want to jump ahead because Im not starting from a fresh place of no studying. I want to keep up with doing a PT once or twice a week but the scheduler doesn't have PT's start for at least a few weeks. Should I just rely on all the PTs from the mid 2000's? Should I wait weeks and just use the few (maybe 2) recent ones I still have left? Should I say screw it and redo tests as if they were new? Really upset I burned through so many.

Any opinions would be really appreciated! Thanks guys!

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Thursday, Sep 25 2014

I took the June test and it was at 12:30 which at first I thought would be great. It wasn't. All that time in the morning was bad for my mental state. I had so much more time to sit and worry....for this Saturday I think I am going to wake up pretty early just because I want at least some time to sit and relax. Eggs and water for sure. I have been testing out different foods before practice tests and my best scores were when I had eggs and a big glass of water. Maybe it's a coincidence? Not sure. I think it could be that they have protein and are filling but don't feel heavy and water is obviously good all of the time.

And after I am definitely enjoying booze

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kelseyrheineck610
Monday, Sep 15 2014

This question really sucks...I found this to be the hardest question on the test. I can't wrap my head around it. I just guessed and moved on and happy I did because even after spending many minutes looking at it, I still cant get the right answer. I ended up getting only -3 in this section and I know that if I spent too much time on this question, I would have done a lot worse.

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kelseyrheineck610
Monday, Sep 15 2014

The June test I had to sit there for a good 30-35 minutes. Some rooms started earlier than my room did (William Mitchell test site separated by last name into classrooms)...my proctor misread the instructions and had to re-read them and passed out the materials wrong the first time. So I am assuming we had a slower start.

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Monday, Sep 15 2014

I was in your same situation for the June test. I had PT in the 150's but I would also get some in the mid 140's...even 2 weeks before the test. I had convinced myself that it was external factors for the recent 144-148 PT's and the many in the 150's was the more reliable range of my ability. I was dead wrong. I got a 147 on the actual test. It is best to use your lowest, recent score as where your current abilities are....while it is possible that the lower scores are the fluke, what if they are not? If the higher scores are the norm and the low scores are a fluke, then postponing will likely increase your actual score even more and you are in a great place. If the high scores are the fluke, then it's a problem to bank on and assume otherwise because the reality of the actual day and test will not align with the fluke and the lower scores will be your reality that will show up on your official LSAC report. I am retaking the test this September because I made the mistake of taking it in June. My PT's are now averaging between 159-165 and have not dipped below 157, regardless of external factors like time between PT's, full time work, taking it late in the day, being sick, etc. I took the very fundamentals I had learned for June and pushed even harder through the summer and in just a few weeks the improvement has been drastic and I know are a reliable indicator of my abilities.

And the deadline has passed to change...BUT you can withdraw up until midnight the night before and it doesn't show up in your official report. you only lose the registration fee. Regardless of the range of PT scores, or what you need to get, a PT score drastically different from what you want so close to the test is something you really should consider. Don't hope for the best on the actual day.

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kelseyrheineck610
Monday, Oct 13 2014

Yes, this has happened to me too :( talk about a confidence killer. For me I realized it was my brains way of physically telling me it needs a break. I put the test away, ordered my favorite take out and watched some Netflix for about 2 hours and just hung around I Went back to take the test again the next day with no problems and scored in my high range. Don't beat yourself up!!! This process we are going through is stressful with a lot of new concepts our brains are having to take in and manage.... Knowing when to take mental breaks and having a positive, encouraging mentality is very important

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kelseyrheineck610
Saturday, Oct 11 2014

I got this wrong and then after review I got it right because of a negation trick that really helps me with assumption questions. Once you have it narrowed down to an answer or two, you negate the answer choice and see if it weakens the conclusion at all. If it does, it is the correct answer. If it does not weaken (either by supporting or having no impact) it is the wrong answer choice. So here is how I worked this out:

Conclusion: Hatha Yoga is a powerful tool for helping people quit smoking.

First round of eliminations I immediately got rid of answer choices B,D,E

So I then negated answer choice A and C

For Answer Choice A, I turned it into: "The individual counseling received by the smokers in the clinical trial who practiced hatha yoga helped them quit smoking" This does not weaken the argument at all, it actually strengthens, so it can't be an assumption.

For Answer Choice C, I turned it into: "Traditional self help groups are not powerful tools for helping people quit smoking" when you use this negated version against the premises, it does weaken the conclusion. If self helps groups are not powerful tools, then because the stimulus says the two groups helped "as much as" the other group....the group that involved self help probably were successful (regardless of the degree of success) due to the counseling. If the counseling can likely be held responsible, then the other group would have the benefits from it and the hatha yoga could have done absolutely nothing making it possible that Hatha Yoga is not a powerful took for helping people quit smoking.

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kelseyrheineck610
Saturday, Dec 06 2014

@ thank you! I thought I was ok because I did not reveal any detail and the variables I said were literally made up as an example...but you can never be too careful with this stuff!

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Saturday, Dec 06 2014

I am 25 and it is has a strong negative impact on confidence/self assurance. I constantly beat myself up for not getting my shit together years ago and taking my sweet time as an undergrad. I was never serious about school because I was self deprecating but as soon as I got it together, I graduated in 4 semesters with having 6.5 semesters left to complete. I graduated last December and finally admitted that my dream has always been law school and I am going to make myself vulnerable and just go for it....this was in mid april that I decided to go full force and just try. I was too eager and did not respect the LSAT for what it actually is...I took the June test (after only 6 weeks of studying) and scored a horrid 146. I was really upset and my age made it even worse. If I were to be 22 again and just graduated (on time) then fine, I miss one cycle. But at 25 it really is a different mental game and a completely different situation when deciding to take it again, wait another cycle etc...or at least it feels that way.... I took the test again today and feel somewhat confident. Although, not totally. I am terrified I will not get in anywhere and then before I know it, it will be next year and I will be a year older. At what point is it just not a good idea/ not going to happen? Sorry if this is a personal ramble..I just really wanted to reply to @ when I saw you were 25

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Saturday, Dec 06 2014

LG was brutal just because of the third game (I think it was the third? I really do not remember which one it was)...I skipped it because I figured the other games were relatively easy and my focus on those 100% will mean 100% right and the hardest (what I thought was the most difficult) I went to with 3 minutes left. I only got to attempt two questions by frantically going back and forth between each rule with each answer choice and crossing out obviously wrong answers and from there just guessing.

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