Ill post a long, maybe emotional post of my journey and and tips later
Honestly, just so grateful. Thank you to those who said I should retake and having some faith in me. J.Y is a fucking wizard btw
Ill post a long, maybe emotional post of my journey and and tips later
Honestly, just so grateful. Thank you to those who said I should retake and having some faith in me. J.Y is a fucking wizard btw
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I agree. Although im a bigger fan of freezing cold showers in the morning
I feel like a hot shower in the morning might make me drowsy
I read in a couple articles that colder showers signal it's time for the body to rest so those are better for before bed.
But who knows, it may be different for different people.
I was doing the wim hof method and it really helped. Not just with studying but general stress/anxiety.
Im not familiar with the actual research but practically i feel like a cold shower must wake you up more than a hot one. Ive never heard of someone doing a freezing cold shower in the morning and wanting to go to sleep after. Im not familiar with hot showers though, so to each their own
I would include the names
Unless you wrote like some thesis for one of the classes, I wouldnt put down the specific class
I wouldnt explain what the program is. I would lean more towards duties. I feel like adcoms would check anyway and would know. But if you do have space to spare, then it wouldnt hurt to explain. I dont think it would help much though
I agree. Although im a bigger fan of freezing cold showers in the morning
I feel like a hot shower in the morning might make me drowsy
Just took May LSAT Flex. Will probably be retaking in July, already signed up. Is 2 weeks too long for no LSAT whatsoever? Should I start studying again soon? idk I feel bad not studying but i really dont want to lol
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No one here can really tell you this. If you can afford the app fees, apply to every school you're interested in. People with below median stats get in all the time, and people with above median get rejected all the time.
Agreed. Great advice!
I forgot where it was from, but it had to do with a traffic jam, obligation, and promise. It was in the 70s or 80s somewhere. Brutal NA question
It was a pleasure working with you :) glad you have great outcomes. You were an incredible student
I would retake 1000% if you got approved for accommodations. And just update them on the new score.
I believe schools wait. You can submit them anyway but they wont look at them till letters are in
I took the May Flex exam and am signed up for July. I think I remember being able to talk to my proctor beforehand, like they talked to us and introduced themselves and made us follow the directions? That would be the best time to tell them about potential problems and stuff beforehand right? Like you could clear it up and be like please dont interrupt or if you find something wrong pause the time or whatever
I totally forgot about the scratch paper. The thing is right after I finished it was completely silent for a minute or so, so I just closed the connection with proctor u.
Was I supposed to rip up scratch paper in front of camera? Obviously after I realized this I did throw it away and ripped it up, but hours after. Will people be penalized if not ripping it up in front of camera afterwards?
Im assuming after May all the Flexs will count towards the policy. What about may specifically? Dave Killoran said its not counting towards the limit but like I dont see the official information that confirms it?
Are there requirements for the room? Like we cant have any books or anything in there?
Lsac gave us instructions for flex. My start time is 120 does that mean i start validation process at 120 or before so they try to start my test at 120?
Also how long do yall think the verification process will take?
https://www.lsac.org/applying-law-school/jd-application-process/cas/requesting/transcript-summarization
these are part of excluded grades
"The original grade for a repeated course when the transcript does not show both the grade and the units for the original attempt. The total number of credits assigned to these grades will appear on the applicant’s academic summary, but will not be included in the GPA calculation."
If the transcript doesnt show the original course grade, you should be fine
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Just going to give my two cents as a previous Resident Assistant on campus and am familiar with these situations. The main thing you want to do is to acknowledge that you broke school policy, regardless of the fact that you have a medical card now, you didn't then and you got suspended for not following policy. You want to address that factor, not the factor of why you were necessarily using it. I would double check with your school to see what's on file but I know that each offense at my school was documented in the students file and I could personally see how many conducts they had attended. So it is really important to address the first and the second suspension. It doesn't sound like you are going to add this but incase you were thinking about it; I personally wouldn't add in that everyone was sent home a week later because of a pandemic...doesn't affect your actions that caused the outcome.
agreed! I would acknowledge that you did wrong. I wouldn't really mention the medical card, or the pandemic thing. On an application file it would sound more like excuses. And yea, just acknowledge you did wrong and own up to it on the addenda.
I do think there are some hostile comments on this post. OP was merely asking for advice on how to go about their situation.
On Lawhub when they say have a valid id available is any valid id ok like driver license?
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NO!! You're going to need to understand existential quantifiers before going into the logic games! Some and Most are important for those deductive inferences that games are testing (as are the universal quantifiers). I would spend the time on it NOW and then consider moving into LG. (Although, since JAN and FEB are Flex tests, I would finish the LR curriculum first ... you might not finish the LG curriculum and also be able to foolproof to get to a more comfortable '0' score in 1-2 months anyways.) ... You want to also be able to snag those low-hanging easier LR questions and not miss an 'easy' question because you skipped that section.
Also, understand that without a strong foundation of logic, you're entire score is likely to be mediocre. Maybe even consider postponing? ... Or at least to grab up a refund for one of your scheduled tests and maybe reschedule for April at the latest for the other test (or get another refund).
Could you elaborate on what LG's require knowledge of existential quantifiers? I don't believe knowing existential quantifiers are necessary for LG whatsoever- Just mainly for LR and a little in RC.
I agree. Id strike a happy medium watch the videos at the least. But i dont believe you need existential quantifiers for LG
LR there might be 1-2 questions a section
Same with RC
Just make sure you know what some most many means. Watching the videos should take like 20 minutes tops
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Just curious, but, for your example, wouldn't the full subject be: "this dog" for which, all instances of "this dog" are black? D(t) → B ??? Which is correct to say. And that to tie back to all dogs is a distraction/irrelevant, since just one dog is being talked about ???
(Knowing of course, and totally off-topic here, that to project out from a specific instance to a general conclusion commits an error of illicit transference (composition))
Yeah so if its just this dog then yes
For sake of diagramming it though, i mention it to just not get confused
This dog is the color black.
You cant say D-->B. That would mean all dogs are black.
So depends how you use the is.
LSAT flex will probably have timer right? Just asking because on LawHub it says your allowed a nondigital analog watch. But why need one if they have timer?
Unfortunatly my circumstances MIGHT not allow me to take it in a 100% quiet environment. I can drowse out a little bit of noise but why risk it? Does LSAT flex allow for earbuds? If not i can wear a hoodie right lol and just hide em
Retake and apply next cycle
Its gunna be just a Zoom Webinar with general LSAT questions
If you think youd be attending please comment below. If only a few respond I probably wont hold it
https://umn.zoom.us/j/95732585872
Meeting ID: 957 3258 5872
Only going to take on a few more clients. Amount ive gotten last few days have been a bit overwhelming so to make sure I can do my own homework and devote quality prep to each of you im only going to take on a few more for now
Thanks for everyones trust in me so far!!! Ill try to help
Do we just take the test at our time? After meeting tech requirements we dont need to do anything in advance?
Not sure where this is coming from. Seems random? And only for first time test takers? what about october first time takers or something. Surely this cant be the only month they do this
I was thinking of doing a zoom session of answering GENERAL LSAT questions (like Sami) to help give back. I wanted to make it fun as well cause I know corona is p depressing in the United States lol. I was thinking of like after every question I answer I do like 30 pushups or something! Please let me know. If its a lame idea thats cool too lol just wanna help give back
Firstly, I would like to acknowledge that I am extremely privileged to be able to have parents that supported me and allowed me to study so long. Id say Ive been studying for about 8 months full-time. I didn't take a diagnostic but started at a 156 on the 2007 test Post CC. This was around July 2019. After running my wheels and just taking a ton of PTs I realize I was approaching studying the wrong way. I contacted @"Habeas Porpoise" and I had a pretty good study schedule that I stuck to for a while. Eventually, (for better or worse) i stopped drilling. I literally started doing EVERY practice test starting from PT1. I worked my way up. It was pretty painstaking, but I figured that I couldn't go too wrong if I just started from PT1. I had a lot of time until my test date (which I planned for March back then). For me, this grindy style worked to an extent. After getting from 1-40, I'm positive I had the basics down and was able to consistently be in the mid 160s. Its hard to say because I was doing 2 sections a day and blind reviewing, as opposed to full practice tests. At this point, I was writing explanations account playable style for maybe half the questions in every practice test (they are on the explanation videos) if u ever wanna see. I was doing this ESPECIALLY for RC, because I found that it was my worst section. Now, at this point, I was in the mid 160s, and RC was my worst section. I was going -1 or -2 on games, maybe -4-6 in LR, but like -7 to -8 in RC.
Here, I contacted @"Cant Get Right". He helped me with RC strategies, and surprisingly, we found out that if I read faster and was more rigorous, I would probably score higher. This doesn't work for everyone, but Im guessing my background as a collegiate debater ingrained in me the ability to read faster. At this point, I was determined to get a high score. My goal at this point was still a 168 on test day. So for the next 3 or 4 months until March (it was December at this point) I took 2 sections a day and alternated with full practice tests. It was at this point (i think if you cross reference the times on the explanation videos) that i took RC REALLY SERIOUSLY. After practice test 45, up to like 70, i think i wrote an explanation for EVERY RC question in every test. I would write why the right answer is right, and also why every single other answer choice is wrong. Honestly, its hard to tell if it helped lol. Id like to think so because RC ended up being my best section, starting at -8 to -10, to -0 to -3. On harder sections (like the token section) I scored -2. On candor I scored --4 (whole section).
At this point, I was hitting 169-172 on PTs and was ready for March. The test was cancelled. Idk i was pretty sad because I felt ready and I was quickly running out of PTs. Until they announced the Flex, I just retook old practice tests, because I didnt really want to commit to taking new tests until I knew when the next test was.
They announced the May Flex, and I moved up from the 70s. At this point, my study schedule was pretty intense. Id take a practice test, and write an explanation for EVERY question, including all LR and RC questions, and post on the forums. Id post an explanation PRE knowing the answer, and if I got it wrong, would post an explanation saying why I got what I got wrong and why the right answer is right.
Did this help? I would like to think so. At the 170 level, I dont think its necessary to spend 10 minutes reviewing a one star question in LR. But I like to be better safe than sorry, and reinforce my reasoning even for the easiest questions. i was doing 2 sections of games a day as well. i was also reading the Economist or the Atlantic for an extra 30 minutes - 1 hour everyday.
Then comes the May Flex. I cant say too much about the test, but nerves got me and I choked on LG. 168. Had a ton of time on the last game, misread a rule, and it was over lol. Couldnt think straight, and in 3 minutes, wasnt able to even do one question on the last game. At this point, I wasn't really sure what to do. I was happy and grateful for my score, but I felt I left so much on the table. I felt I worked so hard and I ended up scoring a bit below my average. I was scared to retake, because I didnt think I could work any harder (nor do I think that its smarter to just do more) and I didn't want to be disappointed again.
From May till July, i had about 15 PTs left. I think I did 10 of them. Same thing, posted an explanation for every single question. If you go from the 70s to the 80s youll find my explanations for almost every question. I wanted to make sure I knew the test inside out. At this point, I was consistently scoring around -1 to -3 in RC. -0 or -1 in LG. And LR was the decider. Sometimes -0, sometimes -7 lol. So I worked on LR for 2 months. I peaked with a 177 PT, and was averaging 173-174 ish.
All the time, starting from when I bought 7sage, I made sure to follow J.Y.s advice. Didn't really party or drink, took sleep seriously, and made sure I had a healthy mindset with exercise and diet. I recognize I'm very privileged to be able to do that. I got a full decked out home gym the moment corona hit, and I think that helped. I woulda gone crazy if it wasn't for that, as I've always been big into fitness.
So, coming into July, I was really really confident. From time to time, I had time problems. the 35 minute sections seemed brutal at times. But it would never cause a disaster for me. On PTs id always get at least a 170 at this point. The test was ok. i do think I rolled p unlucky. I know the curve balances out but with LR being my weakest section and rolling what I perceive to be the hardest LR section, it was brutal. Still, got a 172. Not gunna retake because I think 1-2 below PT average is fine. Its not worth it to retake for me. Also, I only have 5 fresh PTs left, and I want to save them for tutoring/teaching purposes.
Throughout this whole time, It really put a smile on my face whenever someone commented my explanations helped them. It was a goal of mine to be an approved sage, and I'm glad it finally happened! For the next year, Ill be taking on students part time while enjoying my life before law school.
If you wanna learn more about me and what I can offer tutoring wise, visit this page, im at the very bottom.
https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/4760/7sages-approved-tutors/p1
If you can learn anything from me, its that I literally brute forced my way to a 172 lol. If anyone wants any specific tips or more details on my journey feel free to PM me!
Coming down to last minute! What are yalls study schedules looking like now?
I would have two versions. One thats a page and a half and one thats one page. The page and a half you can write more so that should be your main ds but some schools only allow one page (Berkeley)
I wanted to use bigger size paper for the games so i wouldnt have to flip notebook as often in case i ran out of room. Do we have to show our scratch paper? or? Does it have to be the standard 8.5x11 or can it be bigger
Im Vietnamese and I wrote one. As long as you can talk about how your experience shaped your upbringing or perhaps tie it into you wanting to do law is important
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i ignored the why law in general and just wrote why duke
and i was accepted
I did the same as @!
i ignored the why law in general and just wrote why duke
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It depends. Some give the amounts right away. Some accept you first and give scholarship information later.
Not sure what I should do.
Goal is T14 with money. Gpa is 4.0. To play it safe lets just say average - slightly below average softs.
PT scores were all over the place, with a 166 a week before test day with many 170s weeks and months leading up to it. Average of last 5 before test day was 169.6.
I have a month left until July. Should I just take it and run? Or should I try again.
When I applied to some tutoring places, they asked for an official score report. I logged into my account, and clicked "view LSAT registration and statuses." I scrolled down, and I assume thats where you normally find your official score report. However, theres a green box with an arrow, and the icon legend says that means "not available." Does anyone have any insight on this? How can we get an official score report if we took a Flex? Do I have to email LSAC myself? Will they provide me with one? Do I wait a few more months? Or am I looking at the wrong place?
I purchased the ultimate plus a year ago and it set to expire in September. Is there a way to extend it? Or to i have to buy it all over again?
Just emailed about LSAC Flex and if it impacts the retake limit. This was my response
Hi Albert,
Thank you for contacting LSAC. The flex test will go towards the test taking limit.
In regards to the new Test Taking Limit policy, starting with the September 2019 LSAT administration, test takers will be permitted to take the exam:
• Three times in a single testing year (the testing year goes from June 1 to May 31).
• Five times within the current and past five testing years (the period in which LSAC reports scores to law schools).
• A total of seven times over a lifetime.
Please note that this policy is forward-looking, not retroactive. As such, test taken prior to September 2019 will not count against these numerical limits.
Uhh nothing about like a fourth time?
Does anyone have any more official information from anywhere?
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You can definitely have a successful career with a non-T14 degree. I think something to keep in mind is you might have to hustle a little harder in law school for it. For example, someone who goes to Emory posted on reddit how you can't get an interview with the office of career services there unless you are in the top 1/3 of the class. Everyone else (aka the majority of the class) has to do their own job hunting on Indeed, Glassdoor, cold emailing law firms, etc. And their office of career services is apparently not the best (this is school-specific, maybe other T30 places are better). Then I'd compare this to a UVA student on a webinar who said he feels comfortable being a median student and knowing he'll still get the job he wants, and it's basically unheard of for a UVA student to not get a job they want because of class rank or whatever.
So essentially, if you are at a higher ranked school, you will have a lot more success (or at least, easier to achieve success) in job hunting because you won't have to worry about your law school GPA/rank being "good" enough to get law firm interviews. People worry about this because law school is graded on a curve and basically everyone there is smart and talented. A "median" student in law school isn't in the top 1/3 but they're probably still incredibly smart.
Full-tuition and stipend offers in the T30 sound pretty excellent though. I think a lot of the worry about job prospects outside T14 is related to debt and not being able to repay it if you can't get a job that pays well enough. If you take debt out of the equation, I think you'd have a lot less to worry about.
perfectly said! for reference, my cousin graduated from GW and found a job in big law. However, she worked her ass off and was at the top of her class. She talked about how if you werent top 1/3 of the class, it was really hard to find a job in big law.
I think if you are already not considering big law/clerkship, rankings shouldnt be a huge deal. BUT, going outside the t14 will make it harder to find a job in another region. That's a given.
As far as ED, id stray against that. Unless you are perfectly find with 200k+ debt, dont do it.
I agree with noonawoon.
If you are OK with debt, then ED to T14 wouldnt hurt.
if you aren't ok with debt, dont ED no matter what.
if you dont want big law/clerkship, id for sure take the full tuition deal, unless regionality is a big thing to you. If you go outside t14, make sure you would at least be content with staying around where you go to law school.
Im just curious if my explanations have ever helped yall. I think ive posted a ton, perhaps the most of anyone Ive seen on the forums of explanations for questions.
Do you all find them helpful?
Eileen Gray is my enemy :)
I have trouble sleeping days before big exams. Even now im starting to feel my sleep affected a bit from just general stress from the LSAT.
Would you recommend pulling an all nighter or just getting like 2-3 hours of sleep 2 days before the LSAT? That way, the night before the LSAT i can ensure Ill fall asleep cause ill be so tired from the night before.
Ive heard so many horror stories of people not getting good enough sleep the night before the LSAT and I want to make sure that doesnt happen.
Generally, I sleep fine but would like to take all precautions possible. What are downsides/upsides? personally, since you shouldnt be cramming 2 days before anyway I dont see a huge problem with like pulling an all nighter 2 nights before and then getting like 8-10 solid hours of sleep the night before?
I was asked by a tutoring place today to provide a copy of official score report. How do I get that? I cant see where to find it.
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Merry Christmas to you too. I was in a similar situation with RC until not too long ago. I was consistently -10 to 12. Honestly everything changed for me when I started working with @ for tutoring. He is amazing and just walking through a few practice passages helped a ton. Could not recommend Albert anymore highly!
I understand not everyone can afford tutoring. So another thing that I began doing in conjunction with tutoring that has helped tremendously is reading Economist articles. I am not just reading for pleasure though. I apply the “memory method” while doing so. I read the first paragraph summarize in my head, read the second and summarize the first and then the second paragraph, read the third and summarize first second and third paragraphs and so on. I do this for about the first five paragraphs since that is the typical length of an RC passage and then I write those 5 summaries out to test my memory. I then start over again if there are any remaining paragraphs in the article. I have found this has improved my short term memory and recollection of details so much. My last few RC scores on pt’s have been -4,5 and 6 just by doing this for about 5 or 6 articles a day. It also has exposed me to some dense stuff which has made reading certain RC passages far less difficult. Hopefully this is somewhat helpful. RC was so frustrating for me for so long, I just started experiencing decent scores on the section thanks to the above things, hopefully it will help you too!
Thanks! I love the economist
I wasnt an avid reader at all so reading everyday helped. Idk i also pretended they were lsat passages and tried to read them as similar as possible