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Friday, Oct 30 2015

the questions that you saw "removed from scoring" are most likely the ones that were removed before PT/scores were released.

this can happen due to 2 reasons.

one, lsac removed it themselves because despite passing when used in experimental in prev administrations, the Q did not pass the psychometric measures during the real test.

second, some 180 level scorer was so annoyed by the mistake in the question that he/she remembered the q well enough (at the cost of losing points due to annoyance during the real test) and submitted a credible challenge to lsac right after the test completed and that lsac accepted their mistake.

this latter case likely is very rare because very few takers are capable of both remembering the question well enough and presenting analysis to successfully contest it while having the zeal to do it. since holding this annoyance while taking the test negatively impacts one's performance, one has to be both very top scorer and annoyed enough to risk losing a few points to do it.

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Friday, Oct 30 2015

Your drop in 70s tests will most likely be less than the drop in pt 72, so take that first to get the worst case estimate

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Friday, Oct 30 2015

Lsac will never admit (after they have released scores and the PT) that a Q was flawed. admitting it means readjusting scores for tens of thousands and liability which is near impossible to manage.

even if they screwed up, they will use and fall back on the disclaimer/instructions that say "choose the best choice" even though there could be no correct or more than 1 correct choice due to the lsac's mistake

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Sunday, Nov 29 2015

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76.lr2.21

Is there a clear reason about why B doesn't weaken for 76.lr2.21?

It can weaken by suggesting that those who completed the program were better to begin with but perhaps i am missing something. the credited choice only refers to "many" may not necessarily undermine the argument which uses most children as evidence. My only issue with C is with the phrasing of "many children".

It's because those "some/many children" may not be the part of the support in the argument which was only based on "most children" and these two are compatible. An observation about some/many people shouldn't weaken an argument that is based on "most" children.

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Thursday, May 28 2015

lschoolgo550

CSU EastBay Hayward test center?

I called CSU to know the testcenter's conditions, but no one there knows where LSAT takes place.

Anyone take LSAT at CSU Hayward? If so, which building or room you took at and who proctors the test?

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Monday, Oct 26 2015

pt-72 amongst recent PTs.

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Wednesday, Nov 25 2015

I agree that it's a sufficient assumption not necessary. I wasted extra time on this q when saw no answer choice that was a NA but this question seems flawed.

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Thursday, Jul 23 2015

lschoolgo550

Necessary assumption q

60.3.22

Is there a solid reason as to why C is not a necessary assumption?

The premises clearly say that increasing demand causes gasoline price raise. This is same as saying gasoline demand can't increase without gasoline price increase, which is C.

Just because it's a premise doesn't mean it's not a necessary assumption in case that is one of the reasons one used for elimitating this choice. I see why A is a required assumption but don't see why C is not.

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Thursday, Oct 22 2015

that one negative review of USF was enough for me to lose confidence in it.

@ may be things have changed in USF about the desk size, but one review mentions tiny desks. could some rooms have long desks and some others not?

i don't know much about Alameda, but I doubt they have lecture hall seating there.

i'd even consider test centers far away, like in sacramento, if they have excellent seating.

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Wednesday, Sep 21 2016

Q23

How do we know that Chlorine is the MOST damaging of constituent elements of CFCs?

The passage only says Chlorine is very damaging but no support for it being MOST damaging of CFC elements.

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Monday, Sep 21 2015

lschoolgo550

180watch battery

has anyone replaced the battery of their 180watch?

the one I have that was unused for a lontime stopped working probable due to dead battery, and I can't see how to open the back cover for battery replacement.

There is no test center anymore anywhere in San Jose or in the whole SF South Bay region for ANY test administration!!

There used to a few in San Jose. Now none exists in the region for the upcoming June/Oct/Dec/Feb tests. Santa Clara U is also closed.

South Bay takers, where are you testing?

[mod edit: please dont post titles/content in all caps.]

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Sunday, Sep 20 2015

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Pt-72 more difficult?

i did pt-72 recently and got one of my worst RC scores in recent pts at -9.

Did anyone who usually does 170+ in modern PTs find that they slipped well below their average on this PT? How many you missed in different sections and rc passages of this PT?

i thought the LG (game-4) and RC of this one were very difficult. i was planning to decide whether to take October or not based on this PT performance. but i am now not sure if this PT is representative of recent tests in general.

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Tuesday, Oct 20 2015

you can still change your test center.

SJ

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Wednesday, Jan 20 2016

yes, RC has become harder to score high on in recent PTs unless one scores perfect in it almost consistently.

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Tuesday, Oct 20 2015

USF has both terrrible and good review at http://lsatcenters.wikia.com/

Anyone know about this test center?

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Wednesday, Nov 18 2015

well, what you are saying is contradictory. "why it's sophisticated" alone isn't an independent clause. if you're combining it with another clause "is because it's intelligible”, then you're simply winging your explanation. you then can't combine "is because it's intelligible” with the first independent clause about "one reason" because you have used this clause for the clause after "and". if you're applying a rule to justify something then you need to apply consistently which isn't the case here.

either way, this is digressing from the point of the thread and debating grammar here may likely be not much use.

one of the above posters had posted this, which is different from your or my reading of stim and still wouldn't explain away the issue in the OP with the question as according to this quote intelligibility would be a reason for Euro music's influence, which would then be a reason for its sophistication. so still "most sophisticated music" correlating with unintelligibility could be compatible with the argument in the stim.

the stimulus says being intelligible on its own is "a" reason for why European music has had such a strong influence throughout the world, but this is the reason why it is a sophisticated achievement.

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Tuesday, Nov 17 2015

So the stim is:

"One reason why euro music has had strong influence, and why it's sophisticated, is because it's intelligible"

"And" separates the clause from the first one, but both "it's because it's intelligible" and "one reason" apply to both questions posed in the middle of the sentence. The comma is used to separate only these two questions.

The clause isn't independent as "why it's sophisticated" alone isn't a complete thought or sentence.

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Sunday, Jan 17 2016

it's easier to simply have the previous scoring be retrievable as you can't note what you answered for every question

@ said:

Is there anyway we can add a grader to the problem set sections?

@ said:

add scoring for retake

@ I know we were talking about this (retake scores) before—I personally would record my original score in the "note" (you could record LR/LR/LG/RC scores in the note as well).

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Sunday, Jan 17 2016

i think LR has changed 70s and has gotten more subtle and less formal.

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Sunday, Jan 17 2016

Related to the grader, is there a way to add scoring for retake of a PT without deleting the original score sheet?

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Tuesday, Nov 17 2015

Not really. "One reason" applies to both why European music has had influence, and why it's sophisticated.

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Tuesday, Nov 17 2015

@.janson35

that's not really "the bar for sophistication" per the stim. Stim is only saying that being intelligible when independent of its original function is "a" reason for sophistication of Euro music.

That could hold true and you can still have unintelligibility correlating with "most sophisticated music" like the choice D says, and both stim and D can be compatible. Note that D is not just sophisticated music, it's "the most sophisticated music", a difference in degree.

Stim says: European music is sophisticated because it's intelligible

The choice D says: unintelligibility and "most" sophisticated music is correlated

Since D only talks about "most sophisticated music" it can still be compatible with stim, which only refers to sophisticated music.

how can one explain this choice, mainly the difference in degree in D?

Proctors: The student of the law school proctored the test. They were very cool and quiet. Enforced all rules reasonably and gave proper 5 min warning in all sections. Many test takers had water on the desk while the test was going on, and they didn't object to it even though they probably could according to test instructions.

Facilities: Very good. The test was held in Bannan Hall building in its lecture halls on the first floor. Since the test was on Saturday, the parking garage right in front of the building was open for all and had no parking restrictions. It takes a minute to walk from the parking to the test room.

What kind of room: It was a large lecture Hall with continuously running desks. The room was very quiet and it's almost soundproof from all outside noises.

How many in the room: May be 75-80 test takers per lecture hall. The hall had 6-7 rows of seating and every row had about 10-13 test takers on average. There was plenty of space between test takers so no one felt cramped for space.

Desks: The desks were lecture hall styled continuous running desks. So everyone in the same row is pretty much on the same desk as it runs across the hall. The chair didn't have any armrest but it was not needed either. Overall very comfortable seating arrangement.

Left-handed accommodation: I am right handed and didn't pay attention to it. But the desk/chair style was handedness-agnostic, i.e. it should be just as easy for left-handed as for the right one.

Noise levels: Very quiet, I didn't hear any noise.

Parking: Right next to the Hall, less than 1 minute walk away is a large parking garage with free parking on weekends.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: There was a long line outside at 8:30. Everyone was seated in their desks by about 9am and I think the test began around 9:30 or so after instructions.

Irregularities or mishaps: Nothing.

Other comments: All in all, a great test center in a very easy to reach location. The proctors are punctual, careful, and cool. The seating arrangement couldn't be beat.

Would you take the test here again? Yes, I took the test here the first time. But this test center usually doesn't hold the June test as the June test is on Mondays when the law school is in session. So I wasn't able to take the test at this location for the retake.

Proctors: The proctors were the school staff and were reasonable. The main supervisor did announcements regarding test instructions from the podium in the lecture hall over the mic so everybody could hear it. The test was done in a very large lecture Hall and all the test takers were in that single big hall.

Facilities: The restrooms were right outside the lecture hall. It got crowded during the break and there was a small line in front of the restrooms, but not something that was too bad.

What kind of room: The Hall was very large with seating for about 300-500 people, but test takers were seated so that one seat between consecutive test takers was left empty. This was almost necessary as else the test takers would have been seated too close. There were around 100-150 test takers in the hall.

How many in the room: ~100-150

Desks: The desks were long continuous lecture hall style of seating. The chairs were individual and height-adjustable.

Left-handed accommodation: Not left handed so I can't tell, but the desk chair style didn't appear to pose an issue for left-handedness.

Noise levels: The nature of large lecture Hall meant that there could be people sneezing, coughing, sniffling at times. I happened to get the wrong seat where two test takers right next to me were sick and were sneezing for various sections of the test. This did distract me in the middle of a very tough section as it got louder. Other than test takers noises, there wasn't any other noise.

Parking: Right next to the lecture Hall room. The parking is marked with a notice that it requires parking permit, but they said one could park there. It would have been better if they put up a notice next to parking notice that the LSAT test takers could park there during the duration of the test.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: About an hour.

Irregularities or mishaps: None that I noticed.

Other comments: The only main issue was noise from other sick test takers due to the nature of the large Lecture Hall

Would you take the test here again? likely yes

Date[s] of Exam[s]: Dec 2015

I want to share an update with those of you who had test center issues. I had filed a Test center complaint about JFK University center where test takers were seated too close to each other during the Oct test. This could be a huge distraction during the test. I heard from LSAC and they said they take Test Center complaints very seriously and look into all complaints confidentially.

So any of you who has a Test Center complaint about your test center or JFK University test center, do not hesitate to be on record about it so the issue is resolved at least for the future test takers. There is no downside to it. The complaint has to filed within a certain number of days.

Details:

http://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/policies/test-center-problem-policies

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Saturday, Feb 13 2016

It'd be amazing if a guru could do such a video with never-before-seen PT-77 RC/LR.

Inspiring to see that it's humanly possible to do an fresh unseen rc/lr section within 20 mins

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Friday, Jan 08 2016

@ said:

PrepTest C 2?

Any chance that LSAC will be releasing more February/undisclosed tests?

They haven't released any Feb tests after year 2000 except II-C

I am planning to take June and JFKU is one of the few centers nearby. However, I heard the seating at JFKU law in both Oct and February was very bad and multiple people were seated on the same desk.

If you took the test at JFKU recently, can you describe how seating was for you or message me?

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Wednesday, Apr 08 2015

lschoolgo550

Study partner in SF Bay/Skype

Hi,

I'm looking for a dedicated and regular study partner. I want to be able to discuss tricky lsat problems with the partner during the prep and gain from each other's insights. Someone who knows the material well enough to discuss problems and can articulate their reasoning and thought process would be a fit.

My lsat score is 165 but I was PTing much higher in 170s. My target is 174+. RC brings my score down (-6/-9) negating any gains with LG (-0/-1). I'm focusing my efforts on improving RC/LR. I'd be interested to meet weekly for a few hours to discuss challenging issues and prep done during the week.

If interested, let me know and we'll set something up.

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Wednesday, Jan 06 2016

Can you describe your approach to "drilling"

how were you able to do like 14 PTs (66-76, A, B, june pt) in the week before the test, and how were your scores on these?

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Can you describe your approach to "drilling"

how were you able to do like 14 PTs (66-76, A, B, june pt) in the week before the test and how,were your scores on these?

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Short answer: Fundamentals first, then PTs.

Now, I don't know if you suffer from this, but I had this insane grand plan to do EVERYTHING leading up to my retake. I told myself I was going to do the Cambridge drills for PT 1-38, redo them as full PTs, then do PT 39-76 twice over as full PTs. I planned to do ~200 sudoku puzzles, read Economist and Scientific American, and picked out about 20 dense books to read in my free time. Now here's what I actually did, most of which you should not:

I procrastinated until 3 weeks before test day, and started with the Cambridge packet drills for PT 1-38, reviewed LR pretty thoroughly, and then really rushed review on LG and RC. I spent time reviewing tough/iffy Logical Reasoning questions (this is the section that benefits by far the most from review imo), and found it immensely helpful to circle questions I was less than 100% certain about, and making sure I came back to understand what tripped me up. By the time I finished the Cambridge drills, I was less than a week away from test day. Over that period of time, I went through PTs 66-76, and reviewed poorly. I did do the June PT, PT A, and PT 60, but didn't have time to see anything else. I probably put in some 20-hour days, and because I waited so long, I was definitely feeling burnt out leading up to test day.

Out of that dumpster fire, I found the following helpful:

Make sure your fundamentals are solid. The easiest way to do this is by using the old PTs for drills. Once you have that down, and know that you can tackle just about any kind of question if you had sufficient time, move onto full length PTs.

Make sure you have a really good handle on LR. I think this is the core of the test, and fundamentals are what make you consistent here. For LG and RC, try to develop a personalized technique that feels rock-solid to you. This really boosted my confidence, and allowed me to feel comfortable even on killer games or passages.

Another reason for making sure your fundamentals are rock solid before moving onto PTs: over the course of doing a bunch of each type of question/game/passage, I started to realize the subtleties that made easy questions extremely fast, and hard questions very doable and for the most part painless. There are a lot of subtle things that show up again and again, and it's easiest to see this when doing drills. PTs are an excellent opportunity to put everything together once your fundamentals are solid.

Let me know if you have any more questions, and sorry for writing so much!

Like the title says, I'd registered for the Dec at JFKU law and had enquired about seating conditions at it with the test center staff. I received an update that suggests that seating will be bad (multiple people on the same desk), which can be very distracting for me.

Should I change the test center? The Deadline is Today so I don't have much time.

I am open to driving far as long as the center has excellent seating and will be staying at a hotel the night before.

I am considering other centers in Bay Area.

I am consideting UoP McGeorge Law at Sacramento but don't know anything about this test center.

Any opinions on if I should change and to what center in Bay Area?

Proctors: The main test administrator and proctors were hires by LSAC for administering the test at this site. They were no affiliated with the law school. One of the proctors who was sort of an assistant wasn't very competent. She was asked to read the instructions before the start of the section from the test booklet like proctors are supposed to do and she had trouble reading basic english sentences and couldn't pronounce certain words. She also interrupted me just as the test began about something related to seating, which affected me during the section. If she had any questions, she should have finished them before the section began. Other than that, proctors were typically quiet as the test was going on.

Facilities: Restrooms are located on the same floor as the test rooms. They weren't crowded during the break.

What kind of room: The test was held in several small rooms. Each room had about 20 desks and for my test administration they seated 1 person on each desk. But for more recent test administrations, they seem to have taken to seating 2 people per desk which can make it very crowded. I would suggest any taking there first call the JFKU law school and ask about seating only 1 per desk. This crowded seating was the reason I didn't retake at the same location.

How many in the room: About 20/room when I took. For later tests, about 40/room.

Desks: About 4-5ft long desk.

Left-handed accommodation:i am not lefty so don't know. My guess is that based on the type of desks the rooms had, it shouldn't make a difference.

Noise levels: Very quiet.

Parking: Plenty of free parking right outside the building.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: About 1 hour.

Irregularities or mishaps: I had the proctor interrupt me just as I was beginning the test, which threw me off for the rest of section and test. During later administrations during Oct 2015, I heard the proctors had trouble arranging rooms, and so they overcrowded test takers on desks.

Other comments: Fine test center except for bad seating and poor proctoring.

Would you take the test here again? Not unless they can fix the seating so there is only 1 person /desk. 2/desk is took crowded and distracting.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: June 2014

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Sunday, Mar 06 2016

why can't you use laptop webcam? I use my laptop webcam to record all the timed sections I take.

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Sunday, Apr 03 2016

yeah, but it's a 2-star for 72/77 LG. That's too low and same as same of the easiest LG in recent history for PT-69 and PT-71 LG.

How many average misses make for a 2-star, 3 star, 4-star and 5-star respectively?

Can 7sage have a way to see the sample size and such info?

@ The difficulty for the sections is assigned based on how 7Sage users perform on every section. I think the specific breakdown is proprietary, but roughly the better 7Sagers do, the fewer points that section is going to get.

I think games are a strength for the 7Sage community in general, as only ~5 of the LG sections are rated 5-point, as opposed to RC sections where nearly half of them are. They tend to be the ones where there are no fast, easy games at all. 7Sagers might have been able to breeze through the first three games of PT72 and had enough time to answer a couple of the 5 questions for game 4, making the section look OK overall. Same for PT 77, where game 3 was more time consuming than difficult, and game 4 hinged on a key inference to become a breeze. Certainly lots of people here could have done the first 2 games in 10 minutes total and have 25 min left to spend on the last two.

So, I wouldn't worry too much about the section points - you are likely not exactly the same as the average of all 7Sage users, and you'll have your own strengths and weaknesses (for example there's virtually no such thing as an "easy" LG section for me personally).

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Saturday, Oct 03 2015

lschoolgo550

Test center issue: JFK Univ Law school

Just visited the test center JFK Law school in Bay area where i plan to take the Dec test.

The test takers are taking test packed like Sardines next to each other. There is barely 3inch separating two individuals.

Anyone experienced this or any recourse for this?

I find the section difficulty level that rates difficulty of a section on1-5 star scale useful. How is this rating assigned to a section? How many average wrongs make for 1-star and so on..?

For some sections, this difficulty rating seems very off.

PT-71 LG, which is one of the easier LGs, is assigned the same rating as the notorious PT-72 LG (had the surprising pattern game that got most takers) and PT-77 LG (December Lg with two tough games). All of these are given 2-star. Why is that?

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Friday, Oct 02 2015

lschoolgo550

Last minute dilemma withdraw

*please don't quote

i am in a dilemma regarding whether to take the test this Saturday. i had been scoring at my target of 173 in the retakes of the tests but on the only 2 fresh tests that i did this year in the last 2 weeks, i was much below the target, mainly due to rc. i also missed some silly points on lg so i think i can go near perfect on a normal lg section.

pt 72: -18, 166, rc -9, lr1 -0, lr2 -4, lg -5

pt 75: -13, 168, rc -6, lr1 -2, lr2 -2, lg -3

i have already 2 scores so this take is pretty much it. if everything goes normally i think i'd still be sitting at -11/-13, which would still be below my target. so i am unsure whether to withdraw and do december or just take it now.

how could one decide?

is there any point in doing a 73/74 rc (which are fresh for me) and seeing again if the section goes better?

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Monday, Nov 02 2015

these are available only in a course option.

is there a free video of recent RC being done live?

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Wednesday, Dec 02 2015

The choice clearly mentions that they had "lower pre-program" achievement, which strongly suggests they were not as good as those who completed when beginning the program. This provides an alternate explanation of why those who completed ended up seeing increase in achievement because they were naturally better from the beginning.

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Tuesday, Dec 01 2015

B also informs us about those who successfully completed the program: if those who completed had better pre-program achievement than those who didn't, then it supports the idea that those who completed were naturally high achievers and didn't become so as a result of the program. That seems to weaken the argument.

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Wednesday, Apr 01 2015

lschoolgo550

looking for Study buddy

I'm looking for a study buddy. I'm strong in LG, weak in RC, and average in LR. My LG ranges -0/-2 and RC is about -6 and worse on the new PTs. i have an lsat score in mid 160s. Someone interested in analyzing the questions, particularly those where the credited answer can be challenging to justify to oneself, can be a fit. If interested, please message me and we can skype.

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