User Avatar
mmckeon993
Joined
Apr 2025
Subscription
Free
User Avatar
mmckeon993
Friday, Aug 31 2018

Thanks for the reply. It seems most of my LG misses are due to panic during the section and not taking time to fully understand the rules and game board setup. Going back on BR I am able to see a game where I initially panicked and realize it wasn't even that bad. I will try to solidify my confidence on the section and drill a couple sections a day

User Avatar

Friday, Aug 31 2018

mmckeon993

Closing the gap between PT score and BR

Hey everyone just a quick question,

How long does it usually take one to close the gap between their timed PT's and BR? I have been scoring mid 150's the past couple of tests with BR always being between 163-165. Should I target a specific section or just continue grinding along?

Timed Section Breakdown:

LR: -8 per section

RC -7 to -10

LG -7-10

BR Breakdown:

LR -5 to -7 per section

RC -6 to -7

LG -1 to perfect

PrepTests ·
PT152.S1.Q13
User Avatar
mmckeon993
Tuesday, May 28 2019

This question ran me in circles on test day

PrepTests ·
PT150.S4.P3.Q19
User Avatar
mmckeon993
Wednesday, Oct 24 2018

Got 19 right by remembering the tactic they used on the last question on the Eileen Grey Passage

User Avatar
mmckeon993
Friday, Mar 22 2019

Thanks so much for the responses. I was already leaning towards waiting another cycle as I am working a stable job and the experience and money should help with law school

User Avatar

Thursday, Mar 21 2019

mmckeon993

Really looking for advice (Poll included)

I could write a novel about my LSAT journey, but I’ll do my best to keep it concise. I’ve taken this test 4 times over the span of over a year. A continuation of my last post,

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/18534/how-to-overcome-lsat-panic-anxiety

I was diagnosed by both my GP and specialist with severe anxiety and panic attacks that become prevalent especially during the LSAT administration. I followed their instructions, took beta-blockers and perhaps most importantly changed my mindset about the exam. I think a main contributor to my anxiety was the fear of disappointing my family and even worse not getting accepted to law school. My November 2018 take (3rd go), was a 154 and although almost 20 points below by PT’s was enough to get me into law school. This mindset for my January 2019 take (4th go) was to tell myself no matter how I did today, I could go to law school. The good news was I had near ZERO anxiety for the administration and it felt so liberating. It truly felt like it was the first real take of mine. The bad news was that the room I was placed in my unbearably hot. It was so hot that the proctors opted to take turns stepping out because it was just that bad. Worse for me I wore just a sweatshirt (because winter) and I had to sit in that swamp for 2 sections until they could find us another room. I ended up scoring a 164 which is a fantastic score but I was still upset by the fact that I’m sure most of my points were lost in the first two sections and if it wasn’t for that, I would be near close to my PT score.

So I took what I got and applied to several target schools along with the few now safety schools I had applied to in November.

Now sitting here with what looks to be a disappointing cycle, I’m unsure where to turn. Before dealing with this LSAT roller-coaster, I always wanted to go to Harvard. Unfortunately, that was just not going to happen so I sent an application to BC and got waitlisted. My best offer is currently from Temple with a 2/3rd scholarship with in-state tuition. Temple is a great law school however I personally did not see myself going there. In a perfect world I would want to move and practice up north but I don’t think Temple could make that a possibility.

Anyways since I’ve been on this journey for so long my family keeps asking me when I’m going to law school. My whole family expected me to take it once in December of 2017, apply for the upcoming cycle, and enter law school in the fall of 2018. Even with score of 141 on that December take, my grandparents insisted I go to anyone that accepted me and they would cover the cost. My family keeps saying “it’s not where you go as long as you pass the bar in the end”. It’s just hard to break their mindset that a lot of schools even with decent bar pass rates still have mediocre employment outcomes for their students. This of course is only one variable to consider when making a huge decision like law school but my family is all of the mindset of “just go so you can get a law job asap”. Since of taken that LSAT 4 times already, they keep telling me I’m wasting my life away and they are questioning if I even want to go to law school. The worst part is that my grandparents are willing to pay my entire law school bill no matter where it is. While I’m thankful I have that option open to me, I would only be comfortable taking that for a school like Harvard. With what I know I can do, I can get into some great schools with some good money and I don’t need anyone to pay for what they don’t need to. When I first brought up the subject of delaying yet another cycle, everyone was furious with me. Even though they have somewhat lightened up to the fact law school might not happen for me this year, they still are heavily persuading me to go this cycle.

So I believe I’m left with 3 options.

Accepting Temples 2/3rd scholarship offer and entering law school Fall 2019

Delaying law school until Fall 2020 and applying with the score I have now. Based on lawschoolnumbers and the like, I will have a much more favorable outcome scholarship and acceptance wise to the schools I’ve applied to this February.

Retaking the LSAT once more in June and aim for that 170+ score I know I can get and shoot for T-14 (Harvard) and a secure BC offer for Fall 2020

I left out a lot of the drama but I can't stress enough how much my family just want me to go this cycle.

User Avatar
mmckeon993
Monday, Aug 20 2018

I would like to join please

User Avatar
mmckeon993
Tuesday, Nov 20 2018

@ said:

You got this. Family adding pressure probably isnt helping. Have you been bombing or is your score still good enough for most schools?

I've bombed them hard. My highest score is 150 while I'm PTing in the mid-160's and blind reviewing in the 170's. This just makes this whole process much more disheartening as I know I have the aptitude to succeed but I'm continually sabotaged by something outside my control.

@ said:

None of my business but unless my family was going to pay for law school I would tell them it’s none of their business when I go, be it this year or next year. I think it’s absurd to push a 23 year old into a permanent, life changing decision, one that involves a potentially 200,000$ price tag. On top of it, I’m sure the added pressure doesn’t make the lsat any easier. Really sorry you’re going through that.

Yeah it's rough around the house as I was expected to go to law school immediately after graduating undergrad but my poor test scores have prevented me from doing so. My grandparents have offered to pay for my tuition to anywhere but it pains me so much knowing that they shouldn't have to. I've spent a year with my life revolved around this test so I'd be able to go to a decent school without having to use my families money. Thanks for your concern

PrepTests ·
PT148.S4.Q16
User Avatar
mmckeon993
Saturday, Oct 20 2018

Very nice explanation on sufficiency and necessity

User Avatar
mmckeon993
Tuesday, Nov 20 2018

Thanks so much for the replies and good vibes all!

@ said:

What are your plans on when you are going to apply? I might submit my apps this cycle and expect to apply next cycle too.

Unfortunately my family has given me the ultimatum of applying no later than this cycle. I graduated college in 2017 and was told I need to get rolling with my future. Depending on my top score and how much scholarship it would yield by applying early next cycle perhaps may impact their decision.

@ said:

I can totally relate to this post, Anxiety can be a crushing barrier to success on the LSAT. Some anxiety is fine, but if your "fight or flight" response is triggered due to too much anxiety, your body will release adrenaline and your brain will essentially cease to function properly. It sounds like you wrote the lsat 3 times, was the anxiety always as bad as the last time or is it getting worse?

Yes it has. For my first two takes I chalked it up to lack of preparation. However since June I have gone above and beyond as explained in my first post and saw massive improvements going into the test. I went into November with unbreakable confidence and no negative thoughts and still crashed in the first 10 seconds. I am seeing my doctor next week and am hoping he can point me in the right direction. Anxiety to this degree is unknown territory to me as I have never come close to feeling as I did during these tests

PrepTests ·
PT148.S4.Q8
User Avatar
mmckeon993
Friday, Oct 19 2018

The LSAT needs to start giving us a break in the first 10 questions again

Hi Everyone,

I recently made a post about the severe anxiety I encountered during this previous administration and wanted to thank everyone for their wonderful advice. I plan on addressing this problem with my doctor and hopefully he will be able to point me in the right direction.

Anyways for the upcoming January LSAT, what should my schedule look like until then? I went in to November scoring where I wanted to be although I suppose it wouldn't hurt to earn a few more points in RC. With that one exception I figure I have the skills and knowledge necessary to hit my target. So my questions are:

When should I hit the books and start studying again?

What should my study regime roughly look like?

Any other pieces of wisdom?

If someone is able to help with even one of these questions it would be greatly appreciated!!!!

Linked is my previous post for reference

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/18534/how-to-overcome-lsat-panic-anxiety

User Avatar

Sunday, Nov 18 2018

mmckeon993

How to overcome LSAT Panic/Anxiety

Hi Everyone,

I'm going to keep it as short as I can. Today was my 3rd attempt at this test and it did not go well. In hindsight I didn't think the test was so hard but in the moment it might have well been my diagnostic. I've been preparing for this take since under-performing in June and I believe I did everything right. I started with the 7sage curriculum, moved onto timed/untimed sections, and finally to 1-2 PT's a week with thorough blind review. Following these steps I saw massive improvement and was scoring where I wanted to be a month out from the exam. The PT's I took were all 5 section strictly timed exams with a 15 min break in between at the exact testing location at 8:00 during this time. I was feeling so confident and accomplished as I was up 20 points from my diagnostic just months before.

Anyways I've never had a problem with anxiety before and stress wise I was doing really well up until the exam. The morning of I was feeling a little stress but I meditated and I was feeling fine up until the exams began to get passed out. As soon as I opened my test a wave of sickness just crashed over me and it was like I had never seen an LSAT before. My first section was LG and I was scoring an average of -1.5 on PT's whereas now I couldn't even figure out how to do a simple sequencing game. I had a giant knot in my stomach and a throbbing pain in my head and ended up forgetting everything. I wasn't going through the motions I had mastered so well during my practice and in turn everything else just suffered.

Is this anxiety? Panic? What should I do? Whatever it was I was not prepared for it and I'm looking for advice on what I should do to counter this. I'm taking this test once more in January since I'm required to attend law school this upcoming fall. Please any advice is appreciated

PrepTests ·
PT142.S4.Q12
User Avatar
mmckeon993
Sunday, Sep 16 2018

Jeez during my timed run I thought this was the hardest question in the section. I had no idea how to attack it

User Avatar
mmckeon993
Thursday, Nov 15 2018

@ said:

@ I've been guessing the same thing, based on not much more than the old intuition. Mapping-like logic game.

Example of a mapping logic game???

PrepTests ·
PT133.S4.P3.Q16
User Avatar
mmckeon993
Wednesday, Nov 14 2018

-1 total on the other three passage and -4 here AHHHHHHH

PrepTests ·
PT118.S2.P3.Q15
User Avatar
mmckeon993
Sunday, Nov 11 2018

Lol I ended up loosing most of my points on this passage

PrepTests ·
PT150.S3.Q8
User Avatar
mmckeon993
Friday, Nov 09 2018

For answer choice A, would new map (NM) be in the sufficient condition? What we know about the new map is that for sure it will reflect existing structures alongside existing housing developments. Am I missing something obvious????? #help

PrepTests ·
PT141.S1.P2.Q11
User Avatar
mmckeon993
Friday, Jun 08 2018

I got absolutely wrecked by this passage

PrepTests ·
PT150.S3.Q22
User Avatar
mmckeon993
Wednesday, Nov 07 2018

Wow JY's explanation for why I didn't pick E was spot on. I was like ummm sure E is descriptively accurate and even matched what I expected but I couldn't bring myself to assume hypocrisy could be valid flaw in certain contexts

User Avatar
mmckeon993
Monday, Aug 05 2019

@ said:

Thanks you so much! However I'm having trouble with pinning questions on the review results page. I can see the pins for questions I already pinned in other places but unable to pin/unpin on this page.

SAME!

PrepTests ·
PT144.S4.Q1
User Avatar
mmckeon993
Thursday, Oct 04 2018

If only all of LR were like this...

User Avatar
mmckeon993
Saturday, Aug 03 2019

How to > @ said:

@ said:

How do you retake problem sets that you've already taken once?

You can create a new problem set with the same questions and take it again.

You can also delete your first take by tapping on the little trashcan icon under the bottom left corner of the tester, but I recommend the solution above.

@

Thank you so much for the improvements! Fantastic job.

Could you please add a function to duplicate existing problem sets? Or at least allow us to erase answer on our problem sets -- so we don't have to recreate the same problem set so many times! Thanks in advance.

Confirm action

Are you sure?