do you know if anyone else has, anywhere? 2 wks til my next exam and i wanna review that game type. @

For the record, I think it is worth noting that A is also wrong because of the phrase "without providing justification." The ornithologist in fact does attempt to justify how he was so super concealed that it didn't effect his study. Thus, not only is it a less-bad assumption to make than D, but it is also factually inaccurate. If someone critiqued this hypothetical ornithologist and say "ayo brah, you had an effect on the birds," he could respond with "nah, homie I was concealed in a well-camouflage blind, and that is my justification for why I didn't effect the experiment." (Although, I'm not confident that is how scientists talk.)

I picked A first, but on BR recognized that phrase as a major flaw in answer A. Hence, I switched to D.

Thank you! (Again...and again.) @.hopkins

@ holy crap. thank you so much. that was profoundly specific and I really appreciate that. I'll look for those employment summaries for all my schools, but that is an excellent kick start. I have heard good things about living in AZ. I don't think I'd mind it.

PS-I would do anything to go to USC or UCLA, and would love to work in California, but I dont know if my LSAT/GPA combo will be high enough. Definitely plan on applying regardless, hoping for a miracle.

"Almost" certainly definitely throws me, even with Jon's explanation.

Jon says we are assuming that the economic incentive will grow enough... but I'm thinking that we are not. Instead I'm thinking we "almost" are certain that will happen, but if it does not happen, then we were wrong, which the "almost" implies. Does the "almost" not leave room for error? Should I go forward and read "almost certainly" as "certainly" every time?

This particular question is in the past, and I'm obviously not combatting a 7sage mentor, nor the answer key, but I'm concerned for future questions, and the implication (or lack thereof) of the word 'almost.'

Any insight would be appreciated.

@ I'm mostly interested in sport law and entertainment law (in that order), but it is my understanding that big law is the most common and most beneficial first step before finding my niche. I'm mostly looking at ASU right now, as they offer a sport law and business emphasis. All schools I'm looking at (except USC @) rank between 26 (ASU) and 34 (BC UNC Georgia OSU all tied). If you say it doesn't matter then you recommend I base my decision on where I want to work after graduation, as opposed to the rankings/courses they offer?

@ @.hopkins @

All of you guys, this is amazing insight. I hope other 7sagers can read this and interpret analogously, because I feel a bit selfish and spoiled by all of you. Honestly, can't thank you enough for the multitude of detail. PS -- Pacifico, sorry to blow up your Sage while you were at a wedding! Hope you had a good time.

I don't know that I'll have the grades for T14. Naturally, I'm going to try. My UGPA was 3.34, so I'm really going to have to powerhouse this Dec LSAT (feeling a retake in Feb no matter what because I don't see how it can hurt). But assuming I'm not accepted into a T14, I guess BU and BC just jumped up quite a bit in my prospect list.

Next thought I'm now having though is this. How far geographically does this rule of thumb apply? I mean UNC or UGeorgia are also on my radar, but if that's just as bad (or almost as bad), I don't want to waste time or money on those apps either....

Pacifico, since you seem to have a strong knowledge of sport/ent law, what non-sport/ent concentration might you compare it to? I've heard mixed reviews including Intellectual Property, Trademark/Copyright/Patent (which sounds painstakingly boring, but I honestly don't know much about it), and litigation. Plus, now you've added transactional law.... Wish I had more time to do research thoroughly, but I'm 2 months to test day and scrambling accordingly. I'm about to quit my job tomorrow or Monday to focus on this 100%.

@ @ Alright let me take one small sidestep and throw out (to anybody) why does Phoenix suck?? Traffic doesn't really phase me as a New Yorker. My people either drive 12 or 120, and lanes are suggestions.

@.hopkins thank you for those links. I'll check the second one out shortly. That first one though, I couldn't tell if it was a reliable website. Sometimes I do pretty basic searches and it comes back with results of only 4 schools... But if you say it's good I'll take your word for it. 7Sage hasn't steered me wrong yet. I love this website/course/discussion. Thank you so much.

@ you've been summoned. Please, I would love to hear any insight.

TX officially off the list lol. I hadn't done my research on it yet, I only had it on thus far bc I've heard good things. Done.

What do you mean about ASU "that would apply outside the region as well?" Are you saying that it might be strong enough of a sport law program that it would be okay to go outside the region where I'd like to settle (Boston)?

@ thank you, that is very good to know. I don't have much regional preference nor any specific allegiance to an area (at this point), but I do know I'd like to go away from home (New York), with the option of national portability. Where would you suggest I research national portability of schools below the top 20? (Specifically, ASU, UC Davis, UNC, UGeorgia, BC/BU... my range is mid 20s to mid 30s.)

And sounds like we're on the same page @

Haha okay, I guess I'll just sit in purgatory for now & try to keep calm. I've just heard bad things about taking the Feb exam, so I'm sweating!! But you've answered quite a few of my discussions @.hopkins i trust you lol.

@ ^

Thank you for your insight. I'm not K-JD, but barely. I finished undergrad in 2014, and intend to matriculate in Fall 2016 (23 years old). I have a bit of work experience in that time frame, although I think its safe to say my internships during college are more impressive than anything I've done since then. But yes, I do have some things going for me that a K-JD may not. In light of that, would you say it makes more sense to consider the US News rankings more seriously than the ATL rankings, because I may have an edge in employment outcomes?

@.M. Hella blasting of Lose Yourself. Boom.

if i retake in february, i'm gunna have to try this. i thought that only worked before hockey games lol.

@ dont cancel, you can only take 3x in 2 years including cancellations, so you might as well see what you got.

also, @ has been pretty dead on with both of his posts that i've read, and you're jumping at him pretty quick. you guys are acting ridiculous. but dont ask advice if you dont want to heed answers that are unappealing. I suggest you both take a deep breath and end this thread, because neither of you is going to convince the other of anything.

7Sage has been a phenomenal platform for teamwork, motivation, and helpful advice/constructive criticism in conquering what is likely to be the second most grueling test of your life (the first being the bar should you choose to take it). Keep the positive flow. This is not a shady blog/chat room for cyber bullying or condescension. Ultimately the only people judging your law school aptitude are the adcoms, not some fella ya met online who said you will never be good enough for the T20.

@ Well, I would presume based on your screen name that we may be in agreement; to answer your question I specifically want to work in hockey. I would also be interested in football, or MMA. (That being said, of course it only makes sense to stay as open minded as possible.)

I appreciate those institution recommendations. For me, admission to UCLA would be a small miracle, but OSU is attainable. I have also been researching UMiami(FL), as they have a joint focus of sport and entertainment law, but with a 2015 ranking of ~63rd best law school, it doesn't sound too prestigious for my anticipated job application process, which naturally is the ultimate goal. I would imagine "The U" would have a decent amount of networking possibilities, and there are quite a few (9) florida sports teams between Miami, Orlando, Tampa Bay, and Jacksonville (Atlanta not far either) across 4 major sports.

@ thank you so much for such a thorough response. that offers a ton of clarity. i'm particularly surprised to hear what you say about the schools that boast a good program. I'm interested in UMiami for that very reason -- they claim to have a good sport & ent combo program. (Plus I live in New York so staying on the east coast would be convenient). However, if it is as unimportant as you say, then maybe its not worth getting hung up on that one school. My confusion, though, is that even if networking is #1 (which I fully believe), wouldn't it be important to be able to take quality sport/ent law classes in school, as opposed to hypothetically going to UNC which is ranked higher but only offers one sport law class?

@ i would do anything to get into either of those schools. i have a 3.34 gpa in college though so i'd really have to blow the LSATs out of the water, and my scholarship still may not be enough to make law school affordable. i'm really banking on getting in somewhere with a scholarship, since i'll be paying for my own school and i'm not very wealthy. Hence, the grind!

Hey Mark,

Take this with a grain of salt because I have never cancelled my score. However, I too took the Dec 15 and Feb 16 LSAT, so I know what you experienced in that respect. Also analogous, I too have PT scores in the low 160s.

December, bro if you bombed because of the LG there, who can blame you. That offices game was a sick joke. I score -2 on my LG sec consistently, and even when I mess things up, I always get it after JY explains things. That offices game.... with the questions, answers, diagram, and JY's explanation I still dont think I could do it alone in my bedroom, let alone under the timed pressure of the real deal. That RC was also brutally hard, so give yourself a break there. I scored 156; wasn't thrilled.

February I found to be much easier, and the LG section seemed pretty straightforward. Because of this, I don't think your issue is your ability, but rather your mentality. I strongly recommend you focus on controlling that for June. Especially with your available "new, pristine" materials so limited for the next 4 months of study. I absolutely would recommend seeing someone professionally. The stigma is absolute nonsense. Going to a therapist does not imply psychological damage or anything ridiculous like that. Instead they may be able to give you insight into your personal struggle to perform well (as you can based on your PTs) under pressure. I think that "count to ten when you're stressed" stuff is mostly bullshit, but a therapist can delve deeper. Especially when you speak to your goals, they'll likely have good advice. Just a thought.

Or, don't spend money on a doctor but definitely address that yourself.

Most importantly, DO NOT cancel another score. Even if you bomb, just believe in yourself and take pride in your other sections.

hahah I have such an affinity for this post. I quit my job to study for the lsat, and its been my "only" priority (other than basic life stuff naturally) since August. Feels very weird waking up today with zero to do. At least yesterday the super bowl kept me busy. But you guys nailed it. Gotta find a summer job or 2 and stay true to the gym routine.... I imagine its not so bad to coast this summer, besides making money, considering we're about to get whopped in law school in 7 months.

Semi-Relevant question: speaking of "things to do" anyone know when the best time is to do financial aid research? Obviously I wont even know where i'm going until March when we get our scores.

I think you STRONGLY underestimate how hard a 170 is. So while Option 2 makes far more sense than option 1, you still should set some realistic incremental goals. Start with a goal to get into UMiami at #63 (for example). Prep until your prep tests are fairly their range. Then a more difficult school like #34 of BC. Then Georgia at whatever they are. (I'm just naming schools I like.) Then rise your goals up the rankings until you hit your peak. If you get a 170, great. But if you're a procrastinator who is banking on a 152 from yesterdays test, I'm sorry but you're not going to go from 50% to 90% of LSAT takers in 6 months. Do those numbers even make sense to you? Bell curve, brah.

Also, USC (like many other Cali schools) has a reputation of being a GPA snob. I have done a ton of research on USC because it is my second favorite prospect. I have a 3.4, I'll score in the low 160s, and everything I read tells me I have no chance. You're likely to be in the same boat, not accounting for essay, resume, etc. Take a look at the LSAC website's school search. They have a calculator that gives you your chances of getting into a school based on your GPA & LSAT; I think it works by juxtaposing your grid with those of past applicants. Even if you get your 170, its just unlikely. I'm telling you this because I don't think it is reasonable to expect a 20 point jump in 6 months to get into the #14-20 schools. USC is #20. As far as transferring in, one of the posts above me nailed it. Everyone is going there to bust ass and compete. (Consider also the students who are WAY smarter than the rest of Southwestern Law School students, but they got full rides and fat schollys to SW, and don't have much/don't want debt/whatever. They're gunna bump your motivated ass down the list.) You're not going to just walk in and own the joint because you decided to do so. You may. But you won't. Do some extensive research.

Lastly, consider what type of law you want to practice. My favorite prospect is ranked a bit below USC, but they have a far superior program for my particular area of study. That mentality may behoove you.

Good luck, I sincerely hope you prove me wrong and bring that score way up. I just felt an affinity with this post because I used to have similar dreams of "well all I gotta do is figure out how to LSAT, I kind of like this method of thinking. Maybe Michigan? ...Cal? ...UCLA?" Yeah, nah.

Feel free to inbox me, because I believe my response is well researched. Happy to offer my two cents.

Thank you guys. @ you can add UGeorgia to that list. i looked that up because i'm looking for sport(& possibly entertainment) law programs, so i know they're good up until (and i think including) june.

@ that makes sense, thank you dude!!

@ it was just a diagnostic, buddy. Plenty more learning before my not-good-enough 151BR holds any water. (2 weeks later my BR was 158... and I have a few months to go.)