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nicolassaw861
Saturday, Mar 24 2018

I think experience, generally speaking, is important, regardless of whether it's "work" (ie. paid) or "academic" (ie. unpaid stuff for school) or "extracurricular" (ie. school-related, non-academic).

So outside of professional experience, my question is, "what did you do with your time instead"? Were you especially involved in student organizations? Did you conduct research in a lab or independently? If you were heavily involved in them, if you showed leadership, and/or if you made considerable impact through them, can potentially be even more impressive than a lackluster job experience. The schools just want to know that you weren't doing nothing.

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Saturday, Mar 24 2018

Amazing! Nice job! I also had a huge jump in my score!

7sage is absolutely the best material out there!

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Saturday, Mar 24 2018

So there's a lot of controversy around this and schools actually differ depending on the details of their policy on the issue. There are also a lot of unethical practices from law schools so I would definitely read terms of accepting a scholarship offer very closely before you make a commitment.

@leahbeuk911 is correct in saying that LSAC requires that schools not require you withdraw applications from schools you haven't yet heard from, but schools can ask that you only make a deposit at only that school at the risk of revoking your acceptance or awards if you deposit at another school you HAVE heard from.

Here is a direct quote from the award terms and conditions I received from USC:

"Please note that this scholarship offer is contingent upon the following requirements:

•You may not hold seat deposits at other law schools. USC Gould participates in the LSAC Deposit Overlap program, which provides participating law schools with the names of admitted students who have submitted seat deposits to other law schools. We require that since we are making a financial commitment to you, that in return you make a final commitment to us. If you elect to pay our tuition deposit you must withdraw from all other law schools to which you

have been admitted no later than May 1st. Verification that this condition has been met will be determined when the LSAC Deposit Overlap Report is released to law schools. If your name appears on the list, then your scholarship offer may be revoked. If you remain on any waitlists at the time you place your commitment deposit to USC Gould, it is not required that you withdraw from consideration unless you wish to do so."

I believe scholarship acceptance deadlines are typically less binding, but again, make sure to read the details. Why? Because once you start getting acceptances so close to deposit deadlines, you'll want to figure out a way to get as much time as possible to make a decision in case you need to appeal a scholarship award (which requires time and information from other schools, which takes time). Even though I applied in November/December to my 15 schools, I'm STILL having this issue of being pressured to put down a deposit at a school without knowing all of my other award amounts.

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nicolassaw861
Saturday, Mar 24 2018

Yes unequivocally so!

This would be an INCREDIBLE diversity statement. :) I wanna read it when you've written it!

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nicolassaw861
Saturday, Mar 24 2018

If ranking is most important to you and you're able to pay sticker price (#bless), I'd check out this "what are my chances" calculator from LSAC and shoot for a mix of ones that you've got a good shot at getting into with a heavy dose of those that you have less of a shot at getting into: https://officialguide.lsac.org/release/ugpalsat/ugpalsat.aspx

And just blanket a bunch of schools with like a 15% to 75% likelihood of getting in, with one or two "0-5% chance of getting in school, just for shiggles. :)

With your numbers, it would kind of look like this (California and Northeast schools bolded):

9 University of California—Berkeley

9 University of Virginia

11 Duke University

11 Northwestern University

13 Cornell University

14 Georgetown University

15 University of Texas—Austin

16 University of California—Los Angeles

17 Vanderbilt University

18 Washington University in St. Louis

19 University of Southern California

20 University of Minnesota

21 University of California—Irvine

22 Boston University

22 Emory University

24 George Washington University

24 University of Notre Dame

26 Washington and Lee University

27 Arizona State University

27 Boston College

27 University of Alabama

Or just blanket the T14 schools and hope for the best. Ultimately, you'll have to pick at most like 15 schools to apply to, at risk of sacrificing the quality of each schools application from the sheer annoying load--unless you don't work and can just crank out applications.

Also, if you haven't already, I'd take some of that family money and invest it in a law school admissions consultant to help you make these decisions. I have one and she's really great. I'd be happy to refer her if you want! DM me if you'r interested.

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nicolassaw861
Saturday, Mar 24 2018

Make sure to carefully read the scholarship award requirements for each of your schools. Some have stipulations that require that you only deposit at one school if you deposit at their school, at risk of forfeiting your scholarship. This was the case for USC on my award letter.

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nicolassaw861
Friday, Mar 23 2018

@leahbeuk911 said:

@pcainti665 said:

@leahbeuk911 said:

@pcainti665 said:

There is hope, folks! I just heard back from my last school out of 15 applications! They should be coming in really soon (I heard back from two in one day yesterday)! If you're curious: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/PublicInterested

Also: At this point you can pressure those schools to give you your answers/award notifications earlier because, TBH, if you have to send in an appeal letter (and need to have everyone's info about $$), receive a response, and then have time to make a decision in order to put down a deposit by April 15th (my earliest deposit deadline), then you literally would not be able to have all of the information you would need to consider a school by the time you have to make a decision--and they are the one's losing out in that situation so they'd WANT to know if you are going to go ahead and make a decision without them. And this is the school's fault for not getting back to you in a timely manner--it's also a factor of the fucked up, unethical law school system to not have universal deadlines for acceptance/award letters and deposit deadlines. Only the school wins out on stringing applicants along.

Dude! Congrats on Northwestern and that USC scholarship! Do you know where you’re headed? Or have it narrowed down?

Thanks so much! I'm SUPER excited. I have it kind of narrowed down, but it's so hard to say without hearing back about $$ from everyone yet.

As of right now, USC is looking really good. UT is still my top choice of my accepted schools (because I want to practice in Austin), but I can't afford it based on their scholarship, so I'm appealing. I am also waiting to hear back from Georgetown and Northwestern in terms of money. Chances are, it'll probably be one of those four schools (unless Berkeley or Columbia accept me off their waitlist with a comparable scholarship, which I doubt). But UT, GULC, NU will have to really show some $$ if they're going to compete with the USC scholarship. :)

What about you?! :)

Fingers crossed on GULC and NU scholarships for you!

I'm still extremely up in the air. Even as I sent in apps, I thought I'd likely re-apply since I was so late. I thought the most realistic spot for me for this fall would be USC. Annnd then I got WL there haha. Only 2 that are definitely within my financial goals right now are WUSTL and UIUC (just came in today). I think I might deposit at UCLA and try to ride it out, hoping for more scholarship money as the deposit dates go by. I requested a reconsideration and they said they'd get back to me with something today... we'll see. But likely still not enough to put it in my price range.

Still no word from Northwestern, Cornell (guessing that's a WL/ding, no interview invite and complete since 2/2), UCI, Michigan, or Berkeley. So, a lot of unknowns...

Well congrats on WUSTL and UIUC! Those are some great schools. :)

I think it's funny that we swapped USC for UCLA. We each got waitlisted at the school the other got accepted to. XD I remember our numbers are really similar. Fingers crossed for the UCLA financial aid appeal and all of those other schools! :) My gut says UCI will admit you with a sweet aid package. At the very least!

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nicolassaw861
Friday, Mar 23 2018

@leahbeuk911 said:

@pcainti665 said:

There is hope, folks! I just heard back from my last school out of 15 applications! They should be coming in really soon (I heard back from two in one day yesterday)! If you're curious: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/PublicInterested

Also: At this point you can pressure those schools to give you your answers/award notifications earlier because, TBH, if you have to send in an appeal letter (and need to have everyone's info about $$), receive a response, and then have time to make a decision in order to put down a deposit by April 15th (my earliest deposit deadline), then you literally would not be able to have all of the information you would need to consider a school by the time you have to make a decision--and they are the one's losing out in that situation so they'd WANT to know if you are going to go ahead and make a decision without them. And this is the school's fault for not getting back to you in a timely manner--it's also a factor of the fucked up, unethical law school system to not have universal deadlines for acceptance/award letters and deposit deadlines. Only the school wins out on stringing applicants along.

Dude! Congrats on Northwestern and that USC scholarship! Do you know where you’re headed? Or have it narrowed down?

Thanks so much! I'm SUPER excited. I have it kind of narrowed down, but it's so hard to say without hearing back about $$ from everyone yet.

As of right now, USC is looking really good. UT is still my top choice of my accepted schools (because I want to practice in Austin), but I can't afford it based on their scholarship, so I'm appealing. I am also waiting to hear back from Georgetown and Northwestern in terms of money. Chances are, it'll probably be one of those four schools (unless Berkeley or Columbia accept me off their waitlist with a comparable scholarship, which I doubt). But UT, GULC, NU will have to really show some $$ if they're going to compete with the USC scholarship. :)

What about you?! :)

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nicolassaw861
Friday, Mar 23 2018

There is hope, folks! I just heard back from my last school out of 15 applications! They should be coming in really soon (I heard back from two in one day yesterday)! If you're curious: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/PublicInterested

Also: At this point you can pressure those schools to give you your answers/award notifications earlier because, TBH, if you have to send in an appeal letter (and need to have everyone's info about $$), receive a response, and then have time to make a decision in order to put down a deposit by April 15th (my earliest deposit deadline), then you literally would not be able to have all of the information you would need to consider a school by the time you have to make a decision--and they are the one's losing out in that situation so they'd WANT to know if you are going to go ahead and make a decision without them. And this is the school's fault for not getting back to you in a timely manner--it's also a factor of the fucked up, unethical law school system to not have universal deadlines for acceptance/award letters and deposit deadlines. Only the school wins out on stringing applicants along.

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nicolassaw861
Sunday, Mar 18 2018

@lucykelly459 said:

My interests are super Southern Californian, idk where else I can find commonality with most people in surfing yoga holistic healing vegan food.

&& Mexican food and sushi are not as good outside of SoCal I swear.

Today I learned that my interests are super SoCal.

We would definitely be friends.

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nicolassaw861
Friday, Mar 16 2018

Looks like all of 7Sage is going to UCI. :B

They're very high on my list! It'll depend on if UT accepts my scholarship appeal letter. We can all be friiiieeeends.

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nicolassaw861
Friday, Mar 16 2018

@alstadtjacob243 said:

@pcainti665 said:

Any other rock climbers on here? :D

All of the schools I'm most excited for coincidentally have excellent rock climbing gyms nearby. Oh gosh, there is this bolder gym in Austin that is incredible. I'd love to make it out two or three evenings a week--maybe swapping a climb out for a yoga sesh.

I know pull ups arent as intense but I have been trying to get my pullup strength up so I can do rock climbing. Rock climbing seems like a fun,functional exercise. Do you have any tips for beginners like myself? I will probably go to law school that has a big rock climbing wall.

Awesome! It's a TON of fun. I'd recommend watching a video on technique (I've linked one below) and then just finding a gym and climbing. Lots of people do climb training (like pull ups, core workouts, messing around on hangboards to build finger strength), but the best way to get better is to just climb actual routes. I'd recommend bouldering first (climbing on shorter routes without any harness or rope), as it's employs the basic technique of all types of climbing. It's also a type of climbing that you can do by yourself. I prefer rock climbing to weight lifting because it's a hell of a lot more fun, it's functional, and the way that it makes my body look.

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nicolassaw861
Friday, Mar 16 2018

Any other rock climbers on here? :D

All of the schools I'm most excited for coincidentally have excellent rock climbing gyms nearby. Oh gosh, there is this bolder gym in Austin that is incredible. I'd love to make it out two or three evenings a week--maybe swapping a climb out for a yoga sesh.

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nicolassaw861
Thursday, Mar 15 2018

@taraspencer111392 said:

@oberdysz231 > @oberdysz231 said:

@mickeycaleb788 said:

@oberdysz231 said:

@mickeycaleb788 said:

Calm down erry'one! The monster waves come in April... Right now, it's like we are all just floating in the water on our surfboards waiting. We see a few people that caught a wave and we start to feel like we are missing out but if we take a second to look around we'll see that we are definitely not alone.

Alot of the first deposits are due in april tho..

Perhaps that is 1 drawback of applying/getting accepted very early in the cycle if you are one of the people that wants to shop around at a lot of schools. Of course, some kinds of these unfortunate situations are unavoidable... However, the fact that you have to make a seat deposit and are considering it means you must have been accepted at a school you like at least, right?

It is true that April is when the VERY first seat deposits can be required of admits but that is not always a negative thing. Even if you make a seat deposit at multiple schools the LSAC will not release your individual information until May 15th. Some people have even been successful in openly discussing their deposits earlier than May 15th with law schools as a form of negotiation, although it has backfired for some so it should be done very delicately, if at all.

If March/April/May are the biggest months of movement, with seat deposits and disclosed information contributing to this positively for many, I still don't think the middle of March is time for panic-mode yet :)

So, let's all just continue to give each other lots of great content on all the forums we obsess over to make the process more bearable! I think it's a fun and exciting period of time in our lives that will pass sooner than it feels like. Pretty soon it will be a distant memory that we will hopefully remember with a happy sense of nostalgia :)

I have heard that schools did share information of students who had deposits in multiple schools. Perhaps this is a thing in the past.

Here's an article about this from Yale's admission blog that may be useful:

"law schools may not require applicants to withdraw from schools from which they have not yet received a decision as a condition of accepting a scholarship or any other type of offer."

https://law.yale.edu/admissions/jd-admissions/ask-asha/speaking-law-school-scams

This article is amazing. I feel like this author is on my side.

It speaks to me because I'm salty about an unscrupulous university that low-balled my merit scholarship after I wrote an addendum saying that I intended to sign the ED agreement (but I ultimately couldn't because of a hurricane impacting my only eligible LSAT exam). And so they imagine that I'd attend no matter what and so they gave me a merit scholarship that is 50% the size of all other applicants over the past three years with my equivalent scores. The only thing was that my intention to sign an ED agreement was based on the premise that they wouldn't fuck me over in scholarships--maybe that was my mistake.

Kind of similar situation--kind of different from what is mentioned in the blog post.

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nicolassaw861
Wednesday, Mar 14 2018

Unless it's totally usual for how long these schools are taking to get back to us, I think maybe the later responses from schools could be because of the higher volume of applications.

I applied in late December and am still waiting to hear back from four schools. And still waiting to hear back about scholarships/financial aid from six (just as important when it comes to making decisions).

biting my nails My first deposit deadline is April 15th! dies

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nicolassaw861
Sunday, Mar 11 2018

YAY! CONTRATS! You did itttt!

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nicolassaw861
Wednesday, Mar 07 2018

This is incredible! Best of luck to you! Sorry I don't know much about the Cornell interview process. There are probably few who could speak to this exact experience.

I'd say just prep for the main questions: why law, why Cornell, difficult experiences you've overcome, what you hope to do after graduation, and practice pivoting your answers to talk about impressive and interesting experiences you've had -- politicians call this a message box.

You're going to be great. :)

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nicolassaw861
Friday, Mar 02 2018

One important thing for me is to find people that I really vibe with to have as roommates. I currently live in a kind of housing co-op and really like communal living (makes cost of living much cheaper and provides an amazing support system because you can pool resources) and hope to create the same community with my peers.

So I plan on talking on the school Facebook pages to ask around about folks who are going to the same law school and share my same interests: rock climbing, public interest, social justice. And I'll probably reach out and start to get to know some of them ahead of time to see if we'd be a good fit.

Living with randos from craigslist who are doing totally different things and/or possibly ending up living with terrible people is the worst. Also, shelling out for a 1 bedroom/efficiency is the worst because any extra money you take out for that you'll prolly also pay interest on.

So I'd start with the law school's housing Facebook page. Each school should have one. If they don't have one, then ask if you can start it and tell the admissions office if they will advertise it and they will probably share it with incoming students.

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nicolassaw861
Wednesday, Feb 28 2018

This also happened to me. I got the highest tier scholarship at two state schools and they've both had law professors reach out to me by phone and email to ask me if I had any questions. I think @stephanie268-2 said it best.

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nicolassaw861
Tuesday, Feb 27 2018

Y'all got this! I wouldn't worry about it. If you haven't written a Why Duke essay, then the LOCI is a great time to do that. :B Try and come up with a cool project or accomplishment to succeed at in the next few months to add to have something to add to your application.

A small note about scholarships and waitlists/reserves: In April, as schools get more of an idea of who will be attending and who will not be, there will be a ton of people who the offered lots of money who ultimately rejected the school's offer. This frees up a bunch of money for later in the cycle (ie. waitlist folks). While it depends on the randomness of who accepts/rejects their admissions offers initially, it's not impossible that there will be even more money left over after April than in the regular admission time.

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nicolassaw861
Saturday, Feb 24 2018

I just wanted to say that I'm grateful for this conversation. Thank you everyone for your thoughtful input. You've all taught me wonderful things and brought great insight. :)

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Friday, Feb 23 2018

@leahbeuk911 I think you totally nailed it with the importance of this. Even if it's a school that you may not go to, you want to demonstrate interest in the school by responding to the email just in case shit hits the fan and you need to return to that school. Couldn't hurt. :) But also, most students won't respond (and won't even fill out the rejection of offer form anyway), so they're prepared for either.

Here's a template that I use:

Dear [name of assistant dean or whoever sent the email],

I wanted to say I'm incredibly honored and excited to have been offered acceptance at UC Davis Law!

I will very much be keeping in touch.

I will give a formal answer once I have been able to gather more information think over my decision fully.

I'm humbled and filled with gratitude,

[Name]

[LSAC #]

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nicolassaw861
Friday, Feb 23 2018

There is a first reserve, a second reserve, and a third reserve (you can event visit the URLs for these pages where you opt in to the reserve list!). They are listed not in order or hierarchy but strictly ordered by time/cycles. Here's how it works:

If you are put on the reserve list from regular admissions, you are placed on first reserve to be reviewed at the end of May (once the school has heard back from their students admitted ED/RD).

In the end of May, you are either accepted or rejected or placed on second reserve to be reviewed again in June, depending on the number of folks that accept or reject their ED/RD offer.

Near the end of June, this second reserve pool goes through the process again: either rejected, accepted, or deferred again to the third reserve depending on the folks who accept/reject from the first reserve pool.

Near the end of July, this third reserve pool goes through the process once again, except everyone is either rejected or accepted. There is no fourth reserve.

I also got on first reserve at Columbia. :B Hoping to publish this paper I've been working on to show some recent accomplishments for my letter of continued interest. Best of luck!

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nicolassaw861
Monday, Jan 29 2018

@aarondunn0091311 said:

Hi @pcainti665, were you offered a group interview first or just the individual? I have a group interview and am curious about how one functions versus the other.

I wrote up a post about the group interview if you're interested!

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/14645/georgetown-group-interview-experience

@pcainti665 NICE JOB! I knew you'd make it! :)

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Interviews can be a kind of harrowing experience for some people so I wanted to give a kind of play-by-play for folks who may be interviewing at Texas Law. It was a fairly straightforward interview.

Kira Talent (the company that many law schools outsource their interviews to) interviews go as follows: There is no interviewer. You can take the interview at any time within two weeks of registering. You can practice on the questions as many times as you'd like (the practice questions are the same for every school), but you only get one shot during the actual interview (which are different for each school). I would recommend repeating the practice questions until you get three questions in a row that you feel like you answered well. They asked three verbal questions, each of which allocated sixty seconds of prep time and ninety seconds of response time. They also asked one written question, which provided fifteen minutes of writing time within a 300 word limit.

I believe that the questions are likely switched out, but also likely recycled. Here are the questions they asked so that you can prepare:

VERBAL (paraphrased)

  • What brought you to want to be a lawyer and when did you decide?
  • We want to know more about your academic background. Tell us about your favorite class or your favorite teacher and explain why you chose them.
  • What is a passion of yours? Tell us about it.
  • WRITTEN (paraphrased)

  • What is the last book that you read and what did you learn from it?
  • If anyone else has taken this interview and wants to contribute their questions, that would be extremely helpful!

    Overall, for any interview, I would recommend coming up with thoughtful answers to the following questions:

  • What programs/courses do you want to pursue at X school and how will they help you in your future career?
  • Tell us about a passion project of yours.
  • What is a challenge you've faced?
  • What is your greatest success?
  • If you're looking for more interview tips and stuff, I'd recommend this guide here, which has been super helpful for preparing me all of these interviews: https://www.collegeessayguy.com/blog/preparing-for-a-college-interview-tips-and-strategies

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