WAY too kind. This woman is a rockstar, by the way! Love you all, always happy to do a quick "hello" over Skype :)

@stepharizona288 said:

It seems to me that there are two possibilities here.

The LSAT is no better than the GRE at predicting law school success. This seems like a stunning failure. A specifically designed test for law school aptitude is no better at predicting law school success than a generic test which basically tests high school reading and math ability. How can this be? Is it our fault? Have people like us ruined the validity of the LSAT by studying for it like a job? Or was it never valid to begin with? That has to be an indictment of the people at LSAC? It is also kind of shocking to me since it feels like thevskills tested on the LSAT would be useful in the study of the law.

The other option is that the LSAT is better at predicting law school success than the GRE. If this is the case, then Harvard and Northwestern have either just made dramatic mistakes or are deliberately sacraficing the quality of their incoming classes in a sinister play to claw their way back up the rankings.

Actually, GRE scores as of yet will not be reported to US News. So either they replace all the low LSAT people with GRE people to inflate the rankings (unlikely—NU is quite reverse-splitter friendly as a complement to being splitter-friendly; they need high GPA people to offset low GPA/high LSAT people), to your point, or they (what I think is much more likely) admit candidates on an extremely selective basis without LSAT.

My prediction is that, unless US News changes its rankings algorithms to account for GRE score, HLS and NU will admit very few GRE-only folks. But the option will be there to make exceptions for exceptional candidates, likely with very high GPA's (again because we need high GPA's).

@uhinberg359 said:

The ABA Council is currently reviewing its standards in regards to mandatory standardized tests required for law school admissions. ... In the end, we are optimistic that they will allow law schools greater flexibility in the admissions process, to the benefit of students, schools, and the profession alike.

Whoa! Does this mean that they are considering doing away with a requirement for any standardized test, and that Dean Rodriguez is optimistic that they will give law schools this flexibility?

No—standardized testing is necessary due to the wide variation between universities and majors and GPA standards.

@katrinkaminskaya68 please expand

So basically as you move down within that range, you're getting into regional territory and you really need to be careful about biglaw/clerkship numbers outside of, frankly, the T13. It's a complicated calculus regarding the curve and placement statistics as well as minimum GPA requirements firms maintain for different schools. A 3.3 may get you placement at Firm X from School B, ranked 10th, whereas that same firm requires a 3.7 from School C, ranked 25th.

I got into NU with a Feb score. Apply with your best score. You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

Seriously though--I know like <10 people with 170+ scores here at NU.

@katrinkaminskaya68

said:

18--30 range ranking

That's a wild range. Outside of T14, the conversation changes. 18-30? It's an even riskier conversation.

Well I applied on the deadline to NU and here I am. Don't overestimate the when-to-apply theories.

1L is harder than LSAT just saying ... Would trade 10/10 ...

@476

said:

Any advice?!

RC Arguments are cookie cutters! Learn the argument patterns that recur. Forget subject matter. It's all about argument.

@jhaldy10325 Like a 7Sage convention. 7Con? SageCon? That would rule.

Well it'd be in Chicago :D

We are so adorbs!

@rhkurtz3223

said:

Do the top scorers avoid subvocalization?

Not at all.

Great opportunity to meet AdComm members and get someone's business card (for follow up emails etc.).

@nicole

said:

I'd really appreciate some advice.

Have you had a consult with Spivey? They are very good about telling folks if they don't need a consultant.

@allisongillsanford643.gill.sanford are you a middle class straight white woman? If so, tread carefully with the DS, unless it is required for your application.

Wow, amen!

@allisongillsanford643.gill.sanford but if you are squarely a majority culture person who writes a diversity statement about your personal experiences that have little connection to systemic inequity, you run the risk of coming off tone deaf about the values inherent in diversity.

Here's the nail. Here's a hammer. Here's how to hit it on the head.

@msami1010493

said:

I feel like the skill needed to improve on RC questions can be gained by doing Main Point questions

Really? Go on.

@thecubicleescapee957

said:

So I was thinking... that I could take a timed LR section at lunch, then blind review it in the evenings when I get off work 1-2 times a week.

I like this idea! This is very similar to what I have had students of mine do in the past.

They don't care about bands. Only reported scores since that's how they compute their medians :D

@nicole

said:

Do you always split your game board when there are only two options for a slot? Seems like I see JY doing that most of the time.

My assumption is always "how will I split the boards" as opposed to "will I split these boards."

@quinnxzhang542

said:

I don't know what this means but just for kicks:

Yes!

@cahunt5221780

said:

Anyways, I'm just wondering if there are people out there who have done so on the actual test by using 7sage.

Yep--Plenty of us, anyone with the title of "Sage" scored above 170 (and all of us were 7Sagers).