@ Ahh once again, thanks so much for such a thorough and heartfelt answer. You're awesome. This really helped give me perspective.

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I have a question about using your phone as a mirror for check in. Does anyone know if this is necessary or can we move our cell phone out of the room before checking in for the exam?

From the LSAC website: "One cell phone is allowed for use as a mirror during check-in as instructed by your proctor, but it must be turned off and put away as instructed by the proctor before the test begins. Additional cell phones are prohibited."

Just took the LSAT-Flex! My proctor asked if I had a phone or a literal mirror at hand so I could show him my view of my laptop. I had neither, so he let me go get my phone real quick (from another room), and then when I was done using it he let me return it to the room I got it from. Hope that helps?

Hi, I second @. My foremost consideration would also be the school's employment data.

But also, if you are completely averse to taking the LSAT, have you considered using a GRE score to apply to law schools? All my friends who went the GRE route said they found it a lot easier than the LSAT. And since you don't have an official LSAT score on record, you wouldn't get the side-eye from admissions officers for using a GRE score.

I just think a good GRE score might give you more options than this one school that doesn't require an LSAT exemption.

Also, just a reminder, if by any chance you have a demonstrated history of scoring 'lower' on standardized tests, or if you have any personal situation that contributes to lower scores on standardized tests, you can explain this in an addendum.

Oh I was wondering though, for anyone who has already taken the LSAT-Flex, are we able to make the test go full-screen when we take it?

Hey guys, I saw on the LSAC website that they recommended checking out practice tests on the LawHub website "to familiarize yourself with the format and content of the LSAT-Flex."

https://lawhub.lsac.org/

I checked it out and hopefully someone will be able to confirm, but I think it is supposed to be quite an exact sample of the LSAT-Flex. As you will see, there is a timer displayed on screen during the test.

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Also, if you apply and things do not work out, no worries, you were already prepared to take another year. However, I am confident things will work out.

Ahh thank you so much! It's been a complicated and tough year, and both your comments have really lifted my spirits. Thanks for the support and encouragement. I'm gonna go for it! All the best to you, friend.

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I have heard of people writing addendums to explain gap years taken due to having to take care of family or as the result of trauma, so I think that an addendum would work really well here to explain the situation. Also, I don't think it looks all that suspect because you have been doing other things (you became a certified instructor) and also works double to showcase your diversity as an applicant. These are the students law schools claim to want, so it should work to your advantage. Furthermore, I think with Covid especially law schools will be understanding and means the conventional rule against gaps in resume are less important. Frankly, I'd still apply anyway and just try again next year if denied, but I think law schools will understand and recognize that you're a strong applicant and life happens. One more law job won't make the gap in your resume disappear, and you would still want to explain it even if there was a job following it. I think leaning into what happened and explaining it will do more than trying to have a new job follow it up and not explain the gap.

Thank you so much, you really helped me realign my perspective on things and you have suggested a solid game plan. I really appreciate your point of view! Honesty is the best policy, and I shouldn't be so hard on myself. All the best to you, friend.

Thank you so much everyone! I really appreciate all your advice, will start foolproofing ASAP then :)

I agree with noonawoon, that usually only 1-3 questions really benefit from the explicit application of Lawgic. So far I think I've benefited from using Lawgic with almost every parallel method of reasoning/flawed parallel method of reasoning Q I've come across, unless they are especially easy.

The other thing is, as time has passed I've become more comfortable with using lawgic quickly in my head without needing to write the translation down. I think that will come with practice too. Then it feels more like a tool to mentally analyze the question, rather than a formal exercise you have to go through with every question. But if it is too hard to apply lawgic mentally, that's how I know I should write it out.

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I know this was asked a couple weeks ago, but has anyone heard about test times yet? I haven't received any emails from LSAC or ProcterU and want to make sure i've done everything needed.

I also haven't received any such emails yet. Anyone know what could be up?

I ended up having to go to ProcteU's website, entering the email on my LSAC account, and selecting "forgot password". They sent me an email to reset then I got in. Might also check spam filters on your email. Apparently gmail has a pretty strong filter.

It took me awhile to find a time but eventually snagged a 9:50 slot.

Omg thank you so much, you saved me from taking the LSAT at 7.15am on a Sunday :')

I managed to swipe a 11.10am slot in the end. All the best for next weekend, friend!

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I know this was asked a couple weeks ago, but has anyone heard about test times yet? I haven't received any emails from LSAC or ProcterU and want to make sure i've done everything needed.

I also haven't received any such emails yet. Anyone know what could be up?

#help

I took the fact that the bill is popular with voters, to be a noneconomic reason for supporting the bill.

So I was hesitant to choose C as the answer choice.

Can someone please help me see where my thinking is off?

Ok thank you both @ @ .

It stings, but I'll do the mature thing and leave out HS stuff. ;)

Hi,

We have a lot of similarities in our LSAT journey!

I took my first LSAT in 2018 and got a 163. Then I fell off and started studying again over a year later, using only 7Sage and Loophole. I re-took the LSAT this August and got a 171.

Here are some reflections:

I feel like going through the 7Sage CC again after 1+ years was actually great! Somehow, after the break my brain just seemed to absorb and remember the concepts much easier. I also really took my time to understand the concepts and do all the drills and practice sets earnestly. I didn't skip or skim stuff because it my second go-around.

After CC, I started practicing entire LR, RC, and LG sections from PTs1-35, with BR (started doing them untimed, then timed).

After ~2 weeks of this, I started getting the hang of the types of questions and inferences that keep recurring. However, timing was a big issue for me. This is where Loophole came in.

I saw Loophole recommended in the Discussion Forum and after checking out reviews, thought it would help me parse through passages faster. AND IT ABSOLUTELY DID. The Basic Translation Drill simply took my LSAT game to the next level. It is incredibly tedious to do in the beginning, but the good news is that improvement comes quite fast. That being said, I felt that pretty much everything else about the Loophole book was quite contrived, and more confusing than helpful. I realized a few chapters in that the rest of the book would be a skim vs. a detailed note-taking experience. A lot of cutesy trademarked terms for concepts that are explained much more straightforwardly in the 7Sage curriculum. (This is just my personal opinion though!)

I then carried on taking full PTs and doing BR. I spent a day or two every week doing Basic Translation Drills or reviewing/doing drills from CC, just to brush up. I took max. 2 PTs a week and 2 days off in a week so I wouldn't burn out.

To summarize: I followed the 7Sage course to a T. I used the Basic Translation Drill from Loophole to improve timing and accuracy.

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I had to read a short article about why streaming movies on P2P websites counts as copyright infringement and take a quiz.

As in you will read this article and do this quiz or be subject to further sanctions, or "here's some info about copyright laws".

For the latter I wouldn't worry about it at all. For the former, I'd just compare to specific C&F questions, and when in doubt disclose.

Either way it shouldn't give you any trouble.

Thank you! Yeah, it was mandated so I will be going ahead and disclosing. I appreciate your help. :)

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wow. this sucks.

my college used to tell people not to use "torrents" with the school's wifi and i did hear, from time to time, that some people would get in trouble for using torrents and downloading unsanctioned copyrighted material. streaming does not sound relatively worse.

however, depending on the schools to which you apply, some schools explicitly ask you to disclose all incidents, "even if no record of disciplinary action exists" (boston u law).

emory law, as another example, says: "...even if the record was sealed or expunged...regardless of the outcome...you must disclose regardless of whether you have been told you need not disclose any such instance."

to schools like these, i think you should disclose.

i also think educating you on the copyright infringement is a "disciplinary action" taken by your school.

boston university law uses their words broadly: "personal misconducts"; emory law uses: "social conduct violation" and "social actions while in college."

you were not convicted of a crime or anything of the sort, but i think this would still count as a violation of a policy at your school (or something that prompted them to discipline you).

further, schools like emory law also tell you to "when in doubt, please disclose."

the very fact that you posted your question on here tells me that that's enough for you to disclose the incident to these schools.

on the other hand, i've seen more lenient schools. for example, george washington university law says: "you need not disclose any matter that has been expunged or removed from your permanent record or file."

for schools like this, carefully consider whether or not you should disclose; maybe your dean at the pre-law advising office might be able to help.

with that being said, i don't think this is going to affect your chances of admissions too much, if any.

the dean at the pre-law advising office at my school always used to say (i'm summarizing his words here): "petty stuff like drinking/partying/smoking pot won't be too detrimental to your app, because they know that every college kids do them. unless you've killed your roommate or committed any real serious crime, they won't kill you. disclose it, attach an addendum, and get it off your chest for the next three years of law school. you'll be fine."

if you don't have access to the pre-law resources at your school (or if you don't trust your school's advising office), consider 7sage's admissions experts. they also offer consulting by the hour: https://classic.7sage.com/admissions/enroll-hourly/

hope this helps a bit, and good luck!

Thank you so much for your thorough and sincere response. I will be taking this approach to the C&F questions. I really appreciate it! :)

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I am not an expert on this at all, but this doesn't seem like something you need to include. Unless of course you want the admissions people to know this is the most dangerous/outrageous thing you've ever done, implying that you are a good, rather boring average person. I'm not saying this sarcastically or in a mean way, as it may read like that. Just my two cents.

But it's not anything on record so it's up to you. But this doesn't seem like a serious issue to me.

Haha, no offense taken. Goody-two-shoes is very much my aesthetic. Thanks for your response! You helped settle my nerves :)

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Speaking as a former admissions officer, this is new, substantive information that could help an admissions committee evaluate your candidacy. It also shows a demonstrated interest in law as well as your writing skill which is relevant and helpful. I would revise your resume and send it to all the schools at which your application is active (under review and waitlist). I would attach the resume to an email that reiterates your interest in the school and also describes your new position and responsibilities. This serves as an update to your file and a sign of continued interest. Good luck!

Thank you so much for your insight! I really appreciate the advice. I will get on this ASAP.

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yeah I had the same go into your 'System Preferences' on the launch pad. From there you want to go to 'Keyboard'. From there you will see 'Screenshots' on the left and the proctor will have unchecked those boxes, recheck them. I'm not sure why video isnt working for Zoom. There would have been no reason to disable video recording on the macbook considering the proctor needs that camera on to watch you. Let me know if you need more help

Thank you!! This fixed the issue :)

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It might be because of the ProctorU extension that needs to be downloaded to take the test. If you haven't already disabled it you should try that first.

Thanks for your response! :)