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I'm going through the most difficult LR questions according to 7sage, and I'd like to start a discussion group. My last 5 scores are 175-179-176- 174-177-177-178 and most of my fluctuation comes from the LR sections, so I really want to get into the most difficult and tricky questions that have been written to hopefully decrease my error rate for the most difficult questions in a section.

Talking to other people in this range, LR seems to be the one that fluctuates the most as well, and I'd like to have some other people to talk about the ones that we're missing or have found difficult. I'm going to compile them into a google drive folder so we can all work from the same set.

Anyone interested? Let me know!

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I'm scoring between 176 and 179 lately, with most of my variation in LR (between 0 and -2, a week ago I got a -3). I'm trying to shore up my skills on that section and consistently get -0 /-1

Most people that score that high say it is partly due to luck, but I don't like leaving things to luck!

The good thing is that I'm not making (many) simple errors like missing a word or misreading the argument, and it tends to be the most difficult questions of the test that get me. That leads me to believe that there is still work to be done in improving that score, and that I can be more consistent there. Got any tips for shaving off those last few in LR? What was that process like for you?

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Monday, Jul 06 2020

@ I'm curious, how many PT's did you use to study sections for? Or did you just take PT's and that's it?

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Friday, Jul 03 2020

If two things are correlated, yes, they are both correlated with each other. Co- means jointly, relate, well you know what that means. Their is some kind of numerical relationship between both of them.

A positive correlation between A and B means that generally, when there is more of A, there is more of B, or when there is less of A, there is less of B.

Just remember that correlation **NEVER ** equals causation.

That being said, the question you mentioned does not involve correlation in choosing the correct answer. The argument does claim a cause, however. The idea is that, because cars cause pollution, ordering from home decreases pollution because it doesn't involve the use of a car to go get that thing.

B strengthens it because it suggests that these were things that people already wanted, and would have in fact used their cars to go get those things.

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Sunday, Jun 28 2020

They do reuse material, but never any material that has been released. So anything available as a preptest will not be used again on a test.

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Friday, Jun 26 2020

Don't do a lot of PT's, use the majority of the material for practicing specific skills. Its like sports, you don't get better by playing (only) full length games, you get better by practicing and improving on skill sets that help you in the context of the game. That in mind, begin by splitting your time between learning LR theory and how to do logic games. Go through each type of LR question type and each type of logic game, and drill using the problem sets tool. Drill a lot. Like learning the theory should set the foundation, and drilling should be the majority of your practice. Keep in mind that if you don't make the October exam, you can still apply for the 2021 cycle. If you get to October and feel like you can still make improvements, more time might mean more money, or a better school, or both.

Mike Kim's book is nice as a secondary resource, but not as a primary one.

My credentials are that I scored a 179 on a PT two days ago. I've read a large chunk of the books out there on the LSAT.

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Wednesday, Jun 24 2020

Progression is not always linear, and taking days off is important. I don't know about what the 7sage curriculum dictates as I am just a free member, but I studied for three months before taking another practice test after taking my diagnostic. I had made a ten point jump.

In the beginning, while you're working on the basics, I suggest focusing on only doing sections, rather than the whole test, but most importantly, as you're learning, you should be going through each question type, focusing only on that question type, and drill until you are getting each type correct the majority of the time.

In the beginning, you're just trying to get your mind around what the test is, how to approach it, getting used to the wording, and knowing what it is that the test wants from you.

It was another 3 months after my second PT that I really began mastering the LR section and getting very few incorrect answers (sixth months studying in total). I've been studying for 8 months, and am only now getting to the point where I'm really confident with logic games. I'm now scoring in the 99th percentile.

Another user wrote something that stuck to with me-- improving on the LSAT is often a matter of not feeling defeated, no matter what progress you feel like you're making, or not making. You'll feel like you're not getting it, and that you can't get it, and that everyone else has something that you don't. Just keep grinding, and don't let those thoughts occupy any space in your head.

The point is, 1 month of studying is not a lot of time. Don't focus on your score right now. Don't worry about timing. Build the skills you need at a slower pace, work on knowing the rules, and have patience.

Good luck!

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Thursday, Jun 18 2020

Do it again, and do more questions of the same type! If you're doing badly its because there is something that you don't understand. Not sure if you're doing them timed but doing them untimed is more important imo, especially at first.

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Wednesday, Jun 17 2020

Well, I'm not an ESL speaker but I've got experience tutoring ESL students at the university level and I teach English.. do you know what you're having problems with the most? Is it timing, or a particular type of question? What did you major in in college? I've looked at the Spanish LSAT (as spanish is my second language) and its certainly hard!

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I study every day and am working most intensely on trying to improve on logic games, I'm pretty good at everything else and can share resources! I find it easier to stay motivated when I've got other people working towards the same goal.

The reason I mention 170 plus is because of the following suggestion from a 180 scorer

Share the Same Goals - In one sense, my in-person partner did not have the same goal as me (HYS) because she didn't have the GPA for it, but my online partner did. In another sense, we all had similar goals (a top LSAT score), although my goal was still probably a little more ambitious than my in-person partner's (i.e. a 180 vs. -172-175). I think it probably helps to be paired up with someone with the same goal, but I can't say it's a necessary characteristic to look for, because my in-person partner was useful despite not having the exact same goal. Same Passion and Drive - See above; it seems like it's probably very helpful, but it may not be necessary to have someone as highly motivated as you are. One thing you definitely DON'T want, though, is someone who will meet up with you and then detract from your ability to study (by chatting with you, for example). Note: I was able to get some of the benefit of this characteristic from reading the advice in the "How to Get a 160+" thread.

DEPENDABLE - This is probably one of the most important characteristics to look for in an in-person study partner. My in-person partner and I met at least one or two other people at the Borders where we studied (and talked to several others on TLS), but all of them stopped coming (or never showed up in the first place). Be ready for this; it's probably a good idea to meet up with people as close to your house/apartment as possible, so that you won't be too inconvenienced by people not showing up. Being on time is another important thing, although both I and my partner were lazy at times. Try to have at least 3-4 hours free whenever you plan to meet up with others, because it may well be an hour after your arranged meeting time before the other person shows up and you're both done using the bathroom and eating.

Share Suggestions and Opinions - You can get a lot of this benefit from reading the advice of highscorers and by asking for advice in the forums. On the other hand, I tried to always focus on this aspect of my training partner relationships, because I thought that the best way for us to improve would be to reflect on our mistakes and try to think of ways to avoid those mistakes in the future. There were also times when my partners and I made suggestions that I never saw in a forum.

Honest and Critical - The importance of this can go either way; it is important to have a partner who can help you spot weaknesses in your study method or test-taking method, but it is also important to have someone who won't be overly critical and hurt your morale. I was probably more critical than my in-person partner (probably because I had more time to study and thus found it easier to put out a big, and frequently told her when I thought she was wasting her time with a particular method or not studying hard enough. It seemed to annoy her at times, which is when I would back off. Ultimately, though, I think the combination of my criticism and my own hard work (which she could see for herself) may have motivated her to study harder than she would have if I wasn't paired up with her. For example, in the last month or two before the test she said she was putting out an enormous effort including taking a PT a day, which is not an easy thing to do for more than a few days.

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Wednesday, May 27 2020

They weren't, the international test was cancelled for March outright.

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Tuesday, Mar 31 2020

I took a break for about a week. Came back and got a 173 on my first preptest back (highest ever). I was also doing 5 or 6 a day

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