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Monday, Jan 28 2019

My suspicion is that the curve will be closer to a -9/-10.

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Thursday, Mar 28 2019

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Thanks 7Sage!

I had planned to make this post a month or so ago, but projects at work have kept me pretty busy.

As I end my LSAT/Admissions journey, I'd like to express my thanks to the people who make up 7Sage. I started on this forum after having meager results with what one YouTuber referred to as the "Holy Grail of LSAT prep." Immediately, I was welcomed into an encouraging community that was as informative as it was supportive. Of course, there's some people who have gone above and beyond in offering their support: @BinghamtonDave , @keets993 , @"Cant Get Right" , @LSATcantwin, and @Alex . I genuinely hope that I will be able to follow along as you each find your way through law school and beyond.

I'm thrilled to say that I recently accepted an offer to the University of British Columbia (UBC). Throughout my LSAT prep, getting into UBC was one of the main motivators for pushing my score, so it's reassuring to have that the time and effort pay off. It's a fantastic school, and I'm excited to be moving to Vancouver in September. (If any fellow 7Sagers out there are also beginning at UBC this September, DM me; I'd love to connect.)

Of course, there are similar posts to this one, and in each one the OP has offered some advice regarding what strategies were especially effective for him/her. Because I don't think I can add much to what people have recently offered, I'll just give one suggestion, steeped in hindsight bias. If there is one thing I wish I had implemented sooner in my prep, it is the skipping mindset advocated by @NotMyName in his 7Sage AMA (https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/18950/7sage-podcast-episode-11-7sager-notmyname-148-to-174-lsat). Going into each PT shooting for 4-5 points below my average was key to helping me overcome my "perfectionist fixation" on certain questions. It's really true that there are LSAT questions on which a quick skip should be considered a victory. After spending a few weeks developing this habit, I found that skipping some questions was actually able to contribute to feelings of confidence and control rather than anxiety and failure. Like most deities, the LSAT gods reward sacrifice. ;) For anybody out there who's still in the midst of preparation, I cannot emphasize enough how valuable are the shifting wavelengths on that podcast.

Finally, I'd like to give a massive shout-out to the tutoring services of @BinghamtonDave . Anyone who's spent a significant amount of time immersed in the 7Sage CC will tell you that one begins to hear J.Y.'s voice while taking PTs. ("'A' What!?!?! What does that even mean?!'") While this remains true for myself and LR, Dave's voice began declaring squatters right in my brain when tackling LG. Dave's knowledge of the test is outstanding, and he's a fine human being. Without Dave, I strongly doubt I would have made the cut for UBC. I cannot recommend him strongly enough.

I'll continue to hang around the forum and offer advice assistance where I can. If you have any specific questions, you're welcome to DM me. :)

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Saturday, Oct 27 2018

I work full time, so 3hrs/day seems to be a good fit for me. :smile:

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Friday, May 25 2018

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Weighing the Pros and Cons of Taking vs. Delaying

Anyone who's been on this forum for more than a couple weeks probably realizes that this is a complex and controversial topic. While I value a wide variety of opinions, I'm particularly keen to hear from persons who have taken the LSAT multiple times. Hopefully, those with similar quandaries to my own can also benefit from this thread.

I'm currently slated to write the test in June, and though I'm pleased with the progress I've made so far, I'm fairly confident that I have some wrinkles to iron out before I'd be scoring in my preferred range (170+). My current average is in the 165-168 range. In addition to taking the June test, for the past couple months I've planned on retaking the test in September. I have a flexible job that works around my studying, and I sincerely enjoy the project, so an additional 2 months of prep isn't a con.

That being said, here's my question: what are your recommendations as far as canceling my June test and only taking September versus taking both tests? Weighing in my mind are a couple questions: should I be walking into the test if I'm less than confident that I will earn satisfactory score (I know for many this goes against 7Sage orthodoxy); would taking the June test help to calm nerves in September by providing a sense of familiarity with the experience; would knowing that I have a retake planned help to alleviate some pressure during the June test and, theoretically, help me stay composed?

Though I don't want to put anyone on the spot, I understand that @LSATcantwin , @"Cant Get Right" , @"Seeking Perfection" , & @Alex might have some experience in this area? Any insights you might offer would be greatly appreciated!

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Thursday, Jan 24 2019

@ If you're using an iPhone, then what @ and @ I think would work well. If you'd don't have a gooseneck, then I've done the same set-up as @ , using books, and it seems to do the trick.

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Saturday, Nov 24 2018

@ & @ , thanks for the comments. I also chatted with a couple of the proffs at the school where I work, and they agreed with you guys--go for someone who has experience on which to draw.

@ , ah...that is a point with which I've been wrestling. I am apply as a Regular Applicant. However, I did read on another law students forum that some students who were applying in this category did have reference letters sent in, and UBC did indicate that these letters were reviewed. I'm still debating whether I'll ask my referees to send in a letter. Thoughts?

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Tuesday, Jan 22 2019

@ What sort of recording device do you have available?

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Thursday, Nov 22 2018

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Which References Carry More Weight?

Hey all,

I have a question regarding references on which I'd be interested to hear some thoughts. I'm a Canadian applicant, and I've already submitted my applications for Ontario law schools, which allow three referees. However, I am just finishing up applications for UBC, UVic, and Dalhousie. UVic does not accept LORs (which, in my opinion, lowers their program on my list...but, anyway). UBC and Dalhousie, on the other hand, ask for only 2 letters. Thus, I'm in a position where I have to decide which two referees to ask to submit letters to these schools. Here are a few relevant specs for each referee.

Referee #1: An Associate Professor in psychology who I completed roughly 8 courses with over the duration of my program. I haven't seen the letter he wrote, but I often received back positive comments on my performance and a few times he asked if he could provide my papers as a model for future students in particular courses that he taught. However, I never worked as a TA or research assistant for this individual.

Referee #2: Instructor in sociology. Due to a health condition, he is not able to fulfill the requirements to be a full professor at this time, keeping him at the rank of instructor. However, he does have his doctorate from a prestigious American university. I worked as a TA for him for 4 years, returning each year at his own request. I also worked as a research assistant for him during a summer. I expect the letter would be quite good.

Referee#3: The Vice-President Academic of the university where I graduated. Unfortunately, I never completed any courses with him. Our relationship revolves around his supervising an academic writing fellowship that I was offered, and am now completing, at the the university. His comments to me have been favorable, and he described his letter as "glowing." However, I know that the amount of personal experience with me that he has to drawn on is more limited than the other two. At the same time, his title is impressive.

In many respects, the question this comes down to is...Do admissions committees tend to regard more highly the title/position of the referee or the amount of experience shared with the applicant? Thoughts?

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Monday, Apr 22 2019

Joining @ and @ at Allard!

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Thursday, Sep 20 2018

@ said:

@ said:

I fully support a motion that would make this a weekly series of tips from Dave.

@ said:

@ said:

I fully support a motion that would make this a weekly series of tips from Dave.

I second!

I third!!!

Motion carried!

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Monday, Feb 18 2019

Way to go, @ ! Couldn't have asked for a better sounding board over the past (Heck!) 1.5 years of studying. Hopefully we'll bump into each other...either in Toronto or at the Law Games sometime. :smile:

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Monday, Sep 17 2018

Looking forward to it!!! :smile:

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Sunday, Jun 17 2018

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Spot the flaw!

So, I write an exam on Monday for a job opening for which I'm applying. I wrote a practice test this afternoon to get a feel for the test; apparently, I overthought the following question that appeared on the test.

Twenty percent of your work now involves clerical duties, whereas these duties took 30 % of your time two years ago. However, the 20 % of your time spent on writing the quarterly report two years ago has now increased to 25 %. You also note that 25 % of your time is spent classifying files, as it was two years ago.

What conclusion(s) can be justified based on these findings?

  • The time you spend classifying files has remained the same
  • The time you spend on clerical duties has decreased
  • Both 1 and 2
  • Neither 1 nor 2
  • Can anybody guess which answer I "incorrectly" chose and why I chose it?

    *(The full test is available to the public on the Government of Canada website.)

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    Wednesday, Jan 16 2019

    Of course, C is the best choice, and I did choose it under timed conditions. However, I did think, given that this was a MBT, that the wording in answer choice C was too strong. The stimulus says "usually," but the choice seems to assume a direct conditional relationship. When I've encountered "usually" on the LSAT, I've typically translated as a "some," if not "most." When reading the stimulus, I would interpret it as leaving open the possibility that some research could be done with rats that are kept in conditions that are normal and healthy, something that does not include a small cage. Thoughts? Have I been interpreting "usually" in too soft a manner?

    #help

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    Friday, Feb 15 2019

    Way to go, Man! You've been a huge support to this community. :smile:

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    Monday, Oct 15 2018

    Thanks @ and @ !

    Must say, considering that I haven't written a nice personal narrative piece in a long time, this is kinda disappointing. Oh well, just keep playing the game. :smile:

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    Monday, Oct 15 2018

    @ said:

    For clarity, are you only applying to Canadian schools? I think this answer may be different for schools in the US vs. Canada.

    Nice catch! Yes, only Canadian schools.

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    When I began formulating my personal essays/statement, I tried to focus on providing an interesting narrative that I thought helped to explain how different specific events have lead me to a way of approaching the idea of the law. I've tried to maintain a narrative form, rather than going all-out abstract essay.

    However, I was recently reviewing some personal statements online, and I noticed that a number of people made note of their academic achievements. For instance, UofT, arguably Canada's #1 law school, provides this online document for prospective applicants: https://www.law.utoronto.ca/documents/JD/UofT_Law_Personal_Statements_Examples.pdf

    What have other people's experience been with this? Is it best to "slip" these in? Gotta say, when I've tried to work them in so far, I kinda feel like a prig.

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    Monday, Jan 15 2018

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    Diagramming Sufficient Assumption Qs?

    So, I'm currently completing the sufficient assumption section of the CC, and I have a question about diagramming. When I'm currently doing the practice problems and problem sets, I find that I am most successful (95% and (1min) with these questions when I simply focus on the passage and be clear in my mind where the gap is in the argument, without drawing any diagrams, and then move onto the choices.(/p)

    From those who have completed a strong number of PTs, is this setting myself up for failure when I encounter more difficult or more "unusual" questions of this type on tests? I did spend quite chunk of time working through the logic sections of the CC, so I know I am working through some of proper process in my head...but, should I be concerned about my head failing me for some of the more taxing/complex questions?

    As always, any thoughts are appreciated!

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    Friday, Feb 15 2019

    Just got it!

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    Monday, May 14 2018

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    Reddish text when printing

    Is anybody else having technical difficulties with printing off materials from 7Sage right now? Normally it works fine for me, but right now the documents are printing out with reddish text. I’ve tried to troubleshoot by printing some documents off other sites, and it doesn’t seem to be an issue. Any suggestions @studentservice

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    Monday, Jan 14 2019

    @ , my strategy is slightly different for PR and PF questions...is there one in particular that's proving an issue?

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    Friday, Jul 13 2018

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    Strategies for Reviewing Footage?

    For the past several weeks I've found recording my PTs quite helpful.

    But I'm curious if people have any strategies they follow when reviewing their footage? Are their specific aspects that you focus on?

    At the moment, I have two main aspects of my review.

    First, I record my times for each question to try and focus on which questions I struggled with, even if I was confident I had the right answer once I selected it. This has been helpful because, then, I go ahead and review those questions more in-depth even if I got them correct under timed conditions. Second, I try to keep a notebook of various observations about my strategy, trying to tweak my timing to be more parallel to my confidence level (e.g. I can tell from the footage that I was 85(ish)% sure that I had the right choice after A (and did), but I spent too much time closely reading the other answer choices.).

    Are there other techniques that people have used that they find helpful? @"Cant Get Right" , I was listening to your AMA the other day, and you seemed to be a strong advocate for video recording/review. Any suggestions?

    Thanks, everyone!

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    Saturday, Oct 13 2018

    Oh my gosh! I feel like such a weirdo after reading these comments. On average, I go through about 12-13 pencils per test. I sit down with at least 16, and I only have a few on my unused pile by the end. I grab a sharp pencil at the beginning of each new game and each new RC passage, and I probably grab a new pencil roughly every 5-6 LR questions. I'm all about reducing friction while I write. :wink:

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    Saturday, Jan 12 2019

    I'm not sure I understand how you're using the "~", given that you use "no" as the negative in the first statement. But, the contrapositive of "no A are B" (A -->/B) is "no B are A" (B-->/A)

    Hope that helps!

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    Thursday, Jan 10 2019

    @ Have you checked out the powerpoint slides from the RC Workshop that was hosted by Daniel S.? (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8rtwtswbq4kspt2/AABiG7z29wB0mXcZO5zE8buTa?dl=0)

    Much like LR and LG, a helpful way of attacking passages is having an understanding of the sorts of moves that RC passages make. If you know what you're looking for in the passage (i.e. what's going to be helpful when answer the questions), you be more aware of them when you're reading the passage. Thus, not only will you have a better recall for the information, but you will also be able to find that information more quickly when returning to the passage. I often return to these slides, and then I try to build on them in my own notes. It's been mighty helpful.

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    Wednesday, Jan 09 2019

    @ It's been an honor. :wink:

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    Wednesday, Jan 09 2019

    I did PT77 on Saturday, and the passages seemed pretty standard. But, there were definitely a large number of tempting trap answers, and answers that required a good understanding of the overall structure of the whole passage in order to pick up on some of the more subtle nuances that made the trap choices incorrect.

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    Wednesday, Jan 09 2019

    Are you referring to the test in general or specifically the RC?

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    Hey everyone,

    So, I'm working through my analysis of this question since, yes, I got it wrong on my last section drill, and I'd be interested to hear some of all you smart people's thoughts on the question/choices. For context, it's a MBT. As I read it, the contribution law outlined in the stimulus could be translated logically as,

    Contribution of $100 by a nonresident who was not a former resident ---> contribution must be registered with the city council

    The author notes that no nonresidents contributed to a particular candidate's campaign. So, from my understanding, the sufficient condition outlined in the stimulus is failed (but not necessarily the necessary condition). So, when I glanced at "C," I immediately thought that they were trying to tempt me with a mistaken negation, purporting that it must be true that no contributions to the candidate's campaign needed to be registered with the council. The thought that popped into my mind was, "Well, but there could be other reasons why a contribution might need to be registered with the city council." But, in this case it seems that I and the LSAT writers are not of one mind. :P

    Is part of my misunderstanding rooted in that it introduces the particular law in question as "The law..." rather than "A law..."? Should that indicate to me that there is only one law and, thus, only one reason for registering a contribution with the city council?

    Love to hear you're thoughts!

    Admin note: edited title

    https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-57-section-2-question-25/

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    Tuesday, Jan 08 2019

    Do you record yourself? One of the biggest challenges I've faced with RC is being comfortable with moving on at a lower level of confidence than either LG or LR. Watching video footage is especially potent for revealing how much time is wasted on trying to gain 100% certainty regarding a specific AC when the other four are pretty dismal candidates. After a couple times of watching myself and yelling, "Move on!", I've come to move choose choices and move on more quickly. One of the biggest threats with RC, for myself at least, is wasting too much time on one answer, resulting in a rushed reading of subsequent passages...and it just snowballs from there.

    The second piece of advice is skipping questions that you're uncertain about where in a passage you can find the answer. I'm a big supporter of going back to the passage for quick checks, but don't try and scan the whole passage to find the answer to one question...it's just not worth it. Especially since, sometimes the inference questions that are the most challenging are one's that require you to make complex connections between seemly disconnected portions of text. Those are the one's where you should smile...and give it to LSAT writers; you'll be able to more confidently grab 3 or 4 following questions, leaving you still the victor. It's not about getting all the choices, it's about making sure that the LSAT writers don't prevent you from getting the points that you could've gotten.

    Finally, and this helps with the returning to the passage, read for structure. Instead of trying to understand the specifics of what the passage is suggesting/describing, pay attention to how the various elements of the passage are working together. Sometimes, for me, it's helpful to remember that it's called reading "comprehension" --it's about pulling things together and understanding the relationships at play.

    Hope it helps!

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    Saturday, Jan 06 2018

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    Pitchs for 7Sage?

    Hey everyone,

    I stumbled across 7Sage after it was mentioned in an LSAT curriculum I've been using. I've since been using the free trial and have been really impressed with the techniques and sense of community. Consequently, I've been flirting with upgrading to the Ultimate grade in order to continue developing my skills. At the same time, I've been looking at some other online courses that offer one-on-one guidance, which I suspect would be helpful in terms of accountability to make sure that my score continues to increase (currently, I'm usually scoring around 163-166 on my PTs). I've been studying for the LSAT since November, and I'm hoping to break the 170 threshold on the June test.

    While I wouldn't consider myself to be lazy or a procrastinator, I know from when I completed my undergrad that I always excel in settings where camaraderie pushes me to be better. All that beings said, do people have some thoughts on whether they have found the 7Sage curriculum/community to push them to be consistent in their prep?

    Any thoughts would be appreciated!

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    Saturday, Jan 05 2019

    I would direct you toward @ 's comment, along with the suggestion that you don't think to much about timelines until after you've completed the CC. Sometimes the movements is gradual from a 140 to a 170, other times it can have a few jumps along the way if something clicks well. Unless there's a very particular time constraint you're operating on, and thus you want to evaluate what sort of goal is realistic in that time range, I would avoid thinking about how long it will take to get a 172. Chances are that if that's the kinda score you're wanting, you have some pretty good schools/scholarships in mind, and thus it will be worth the time it takes.

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    Tuesday, Jun 05 2018

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    Legality of Sharing LSAT Videos

    Hey everyone,

    I've recently begun recording myself as I complete sections and Full PTs. It's been immensely insightful, especially for evaluating my ability to stick to various strategies.

    That being said, I'd be interested in putting them out to some persons in the 7Sage community to receive feedback, but I'm not sure if this is permitted under the LSAC licensing that 7Sage has. Anybody have experience in the this area?

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    Wednesday, Jan 02 2019

    Of course, the concern with studying too much is the ever-present risk of burnout. In my experience, limiting one's prep should be measured less by how many hours are being spent studying and more by how well you are able to maintain your concentration. Our capacity to focus/concentrate is much like a muscle, and so we need to be aware of when we are beginning to give way to fatigue. It's also important to remember that maintaining a healthy sleep schedule and diet, as well as reducing life stresses, is important in allowing our brains to engage effectively with the materials.

    As a short answer, I prep about 6-8 hours a day, and that has been a good amount for me. However, I will do a short day if I begin finding myself easily distracted in the midst of drilling.

    I would recommend trying 8 hours a day, and then allowing your self to adjust that based on how you feel. If you're near the beginning of your prep, you'll probably find that 8 hours is pretty exhausting if you're being thorough. But, as you become more familiar with the content, in my experience, it becomes less draining.

    Hope that helps!

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    Monday, Mar 02 2020

    If you're still interested in chatting with someone about Allard, feel free to send me a message. I'm nearing the end of my 1L year at the school. :)

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