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Saturday, Dec 31 2016

@ Come to BR groups :)

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/9732/new-february-test-study-group-weekdays-12pm-est

I'll be there next weds!

@ Have you done any repeat sections on RC? My most productive work in RC came on doing sections I'd previously done a month or two before. I'd remember just enough about the passage content that I could free up a little mental energy to really see the underlying structure and mechanics.

This. Funny you should bring that up, I've notice a trend in passages I've seen before and an easier time identifying structure. Hopefully that pattern continues and builds more confidence going into test 81.

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For RC - I agree that you do not want to drastically change your approach - but more exposure to sections could help you to identify the more cookie cutter argument methods. Also recommending a more thorough BR for RC questions to understand more about the traps that LSAC is throwing at us:)

Thanks for the advice, definitely implementing this!

So I've studied pretty much 6-8 hours a day since last Friday. Should I take a day off today since I plan on taking Feb 5th (the day before the Feb administration) off? I've had amazing momentum and I worry taking a day off will throw me off... then again since I plan on taking a PT tomorrow and doing zero work the day before next week's administration, taking today off would be more of a real simulation... Fellow Sagers, sway me in the right direction please!!

Whats up team sage.

Question for those of you in a similar position. I've studied like crazy this past year and have managed to raise my score from the low 150s to where Im consistently PT'ing between 165-168. However, I can't seem to get over the final threshold to hit 170. I don't have any issues in particular that stick out with LR, and I go -2.7 on games. RC is the true problem where I average around -7 per section. Were any of you in a similar situation and have any recommendations on what I should focus on for the next month? I feel like it may be a little late in the game for a drastic change to my RC approach, but if there are any particulars some of you think I could consider within that section I'd really appreciate the input! That being said, I guess the next step is to master the substitute/equivalency question on LG for another point, but any other advice is also greatly appreciated!

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Tuesday, Oct 27 2015

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Confidence Shaken... :(

Not looking for a pity party, just some advice from others who have shared similar experiences. I was doing well, scoring in the low160's for the majority of PT's in the 50's... But as I got to PT 58, 59 and 60 I noticed a considerable drop... especially in LR. With 5 weeks left, I'm starting to panic a little.. Should I go back and review some weaknesses or should I just keep trucking through with practice tests/ BR ? My logic games and RC seem to be OK, but now I'm second guessing myself left and right with LR -- I get the answer down to two possible choices and, what it seems like, that I always manage to choose the wrong one. I know I need to tweak the skills of my weak question types, but I feel like nerves are starting to play a factor... I'm much quicker to get flustered and throw my hands up in there ready to say fuck the whole thing. It's been three tests in a row now where I haven't been able to crack 160.. and now I'm about to take another (161). Ugh, the psychological mind fucks on this exam are unparalleled to anything I've ever come across in my life. Any advice is appreciated, cheers!

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Monday, Oct 26 2015

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PT 60 Section 1 Q24 WTF?

Frustrating question.. The first line states "Mammals cannot digest cellulose and therefore can't directely obtain glucose from wood.."

I chose answer A, which states that "mammals obtain no benificial health effects from eating cellulose."

I understand the explanation for the other correct answer choice, HOWEVER in explaining why "A" is wrong, Jon says that "it may be the case that it (cellulose) strengthens their (mammals) teeth." This could be a plausible explanation, if the answer choice didn't read that mammals obtain no benificial health effects from "EATING" cellulose. How can you attain health benefits from eating something, but not being able to digest it?

Maybe if it read that Mammals received no beneifical health benefits from "chewing" cellulose I'd understand the strengthening of the teeth example cited, but it explicitly states that the mammal would be "eating cellulose." So can someone please explain how you could possibly receive health benefits from something you eat but can't digest..? I doubt the LSAC counts illicit drugs like shrooms to be of a health benefit. Thanks

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Thursday, Aug 25 2016

@ You'd think, right? Is there any way you guys can get the waiver before the September LSAT? I don't know the process for it, sorry.

Nope, deadline was Aug. 10th. How convenient for them...

Feb re-takers, what do you suggest is the best way to go about PTing? I did all of the 70+ tests, most of 50-69, getting ready for December, so now I worry that my LR drilling isn't as effective because I recognize a fair amount of the questions. For example, I just did PT 63 and I recalled quite a few of the LR questions as I've done these questions before in preparation for December. LR is my strong point, and I know I can make gains on LG/RC too, but I wanted to bolster LR because there is a small, and some what trickier shift in LR stimuli in PTs 70-76.. Through the analytics on here I can see that I've dipped a considerable amount in the 70+ tests in LR. Should I just focus on the more recent exams and BR the hell out of them, or should I focus on earlier exams like in the 30s/40s for fresh(er) questions ? When it comes to RC and LG, I feel that those can be recycled because you can always get quicker in your deductions for LG and more proficient with RC.. Thanks for the input!

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Thursday, Aug 25 2016

@ I am also copying the Department of Justice on this email as I feel like they should know about my concern, which I am sure will be the concern of many.

What is their e-mail address, I'd like to CC them on the e-mail I sent out as well.

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Thursday, Aug 25 2016

@.brinn Until recently, certain administrations of the test used a four-section format, rather than a five section format. This was not an accommodation granted to test takers. It was a practice related to the annotation of scores earned with additional test time.

They're so dirty... They purposely don't use the word "accommodation" there. But herein lies a paradox.. if you can now receive a "waiver" to be exempt from the non-scored section, doesn't that constitute what an accommodation is supposed to do? And if that's the case, and we've been afforded that "waiver" in the past, aren't we supposed to be entitled to the same accommodations, or waivers, we've received in the past? I know a potential term shift fallacy is screaming , but I just don't see how you differentiate "waivers" and "accommodations".. #justsayin'

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Thursday, Aug 25 2016

@ I'd assume that unless LSAC sent out a mass email before the LSAT, people would be walking in to take their accommodations and get slapped in the face with the experimental section. That's more than likely still going to happen to some people since we can't widespread this thread to everyone taking accomms, which really,

really

grinds my gears. People who need accommodations (myself included) are already treated so poorly by society when trying to get into the workforce and this is just another subtle form of "disabled people shouldn't work because we don't see them as people". When people like LSAC throw these jabs at us, other people will see it and follow suite.

@ preach on brother. I couldn't have articulated it any better.

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Tuesday, Aug 23 2016

It would be somewhat understandable if they announced this right after the june administration.. , but the fact that the deadline to alter your accommodations request was two weeks ago combined with the fact that every accommodated test taker has been preparing months, if not years, for four sections is outright despicable. I cant believe how patently unfair this is?! ONE MONTH BEFORE? I'm SHOCKED that they did this.. I dont know what to say.

No formal announcement, they just wanted to stick it to us. Glad someone caught it before. EVERYONE needs to adjust.. savage.

Here is the email since others were afraid of sharing.. Im at a loss of words.

Beginning with the September 2016 test, all administrations of the test include five sections and a writing sample. Please see a description of the test at

http://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/about-the-lsat

and

http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/jd-docs/statement-of-need.pdf.

Your accommodations for the June and September test are identical. The only thing that has changed is the format of the test. You were not previously granted a waiver of the non-scored section as an accommodation nor are you entitled to one now.

Admin edit: A user posted a screenshot of their email from LSAC as well.

@hope.brinn

http://imgur.com/a/iL4bP

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Monday, Jan 23 2017

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Difficult Reading Comp Sections?

Hey there, has anyone on here seen of, or complied a list of the more difficult RC sections in LSAT history? Wanted to try and tackle them all before sleighing the beast in two weeks.

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Sunday, Nov 22 2015

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PT 69 and up...

Wow, I know for the most part if we apply the skills we've come to learn then we should be OK with the slight variations of the more recent exams, but honestly, holy shit.. they are definitely harder. Maybe not so much the questions, but I guess the length of the question stems. Super frustrating, I wish I started PTing these 69 and up 2-3 weeks ago. Any advice on how to tighten up LR on these more recent exams? I just took 70, and my confidence is shaken. Is it just an adjustment period with reading these longer stimuli? I sure hope so.. or im fucked 13 days from now

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Monday, Aug 22 2016

@.lopez im telling you. just email accom@.org and ask them if it is true that as of the september lsat that accomodated students will not be writing the experimental section

I smell a troll... because that is true.

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Sunday, Aug 21 2016

@ I guess this COULD be true. But it's highly highly unlikely. I also got no such email stating accommodated testers are taking an experimental section now.

That's the huge implication that makes me believe this isn't the case. After just getting their asses handed to them by the ADA, I doubt the LSAC is in the mood for another war... and rest assured if it's true, they're gonna get one. We've been preparing and building our stamina for an LSAT without an experimental, this would be patently unfair to blindside us with this. Preach on, Bruis.

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Sunday, Aug 21 2016

Fuck. I doubt this is the case, but it's plausible. I don't know how much credence to put in this, but going back through my accommodation letters that "all sections" phrase was never used before... This could be devastating. Everyone needs to bombard the hell out of them with calls/emails first thing tomorrow morning.

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Sunday, Dec 20 2015

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Feb Test Advice..

Hey everyone, I wanted to see if anyone could share some insight on their strategy for Feb. I took the test in Dec. but cancelled the score. Anyway, I was averaging around 164/168BR through pt 69, then dipped to 160/164BR through Pts 70-76. I believe I have a stronghold over LR.. I feel like I just haven't fully adjusted to the nuances with the 70+ tests. That's not to say they're harder per se, but one can't deny a subtle shift in LR stimuli and harder RC passages --- sans the most recent administration ;) . I average around -5.4 for LR, -7.4 for games... and -9.7 for RC on PTs 70-76. Where do you guys think I can gain the biggest improvement in time for the feb exam? Should I focus on games? I know I can do better with RC, but I feel like I can make quicker gains in the other sections... thoughts? Should I start PTing asap or in Jan?

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Sunday, Jun 19 2016

Im in, The Gosling meme sold me.

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Thursday, Jun 16 2016

Wow, you know what, I just realized I completely framed this question wrong lol. I meant to say if any admissions officers, not the LSAC, would catch wind of it.

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Monday, Jan 16 2017

Agree with the sentiment from the others above, start familiarizing yourself with tests from 70s asap... although the mechanics necessary to answer questions remain the same , there are some nuances to the new LR stimuli and RC that are imperative to be acclimated with prior to test day.

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Thursday, Jun 16 2016

I know I'm a tad late to this party but I face a similar dilemma. I have one academic locked up, I can easily attain a professional rec, but honestly chances are slim to none that I can find another academic letter from like 8 years ago... So I came up with a quaizi sneaky way to get another academic LoR this summer and wanted some feedback from my fellow sages to see if this could work.

I plan to take a law related class at UCLA Extension (which is the extension school of UCLA that anyone is allowed to enroll in) or at another community college this summer.. Once there, I'll schmooze the professor for a few weeks, ace the class, and ask for an LoR at the end. I take the LSAT in Sept.. but I don't think adding one class along with my current part time job will adversely dent my study routine .. That being said, do you think admission reps from the respective schools I plan to apply to would catch wind of the stunt I was trying to pull, or do you guys think I can positively spin it to admissions officers by saying I wanted to acquaint myself with the legal field in preparation for 1L?

Thanks for the feedback!

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Sunday, Jan 15 2017

@ My first question whilst reading was: what are you cooking for breakfast---how long does it take to cook and eat it?

Great recommendations for breakfast! Gonna implement them next week to see how I fare. As of now it just takes way too long to cook my normal breakfast consisting of Eggs, breakfast meat, fruit, toast with jam and peanut butter. I need to have a decent sized meal to get me through a PT, especially seeing as I have low energy issues in the morning. I will also check out the Power Yoga video on youtube you shared, that could be the ticket!

@ One reason it was so difficult for me to get my morning routine down is that I'm a major dilly dallier. If I'm not careful, I can spend an hour just on coffee. So the way I got around this was by determining how long each thing should take and then setting alarms for them.

Wow this is a fantastic idea because this literally happens all too frequently with me. The ADD is real, and there are days where I've blown an hour+ just cooking/eating breakfast and making coffee. I forgot to also mention I have to shower in the morning, duh, which also eats up way more time than it should. All these things combined just puts me in less than ideal frame of mind leading up to the warm-up for a PT -- which at times I'm forced to rush through just to emulate the timing with respects to a real LSAT administration.

@ OP, have you tried working out at night instead?

I've tried and it definitely works! Unfortunately I'm just too inconsistent when I plan to exercise in the evening and simply don't end up doing it half the time due to general exhaustion from the day.

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Sunday, Jan 15 2017

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Morning Routine Blues..

Hey everyone,

So with Feb. fast approaching i've been trying to master my morning routine but can't seem to figure it out. I'm waking up at 6am, but frankly, its just not enough time for me to cook breakfast, meditate, go on a light jog and conduct a proper warm-up session --especially if you consider i'm gonna have to drive at least 30 minutes to get to the test center on test day (which I'm yet to factor in/emulate). Does anyone have any suggestions on any adjustments I can make going into the next few weeks? I went through my analytics and noticed I frequently struggle on the earlier sections (regardless of section type) and fare much better on the second half of the test (also regardless of section type). Perhaps I'm not warming up sufficiently/enough? On the flip side, I don't want to burn out on the warm up because it usually takes me at least 30 minutes to do 12 LR questions, 1 game, and 1 Passage. I'm considering eliminating the passage and replacing it with a read from the economist or scientific American while I eat breakfast. Thoughts?

For you TV fans, it's times like this I wish I had the discipline and efficiency of Dexter's "Morning Routine."

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Wednesday, Dec 14 2016

@ It doesn't cause as much suffering as Jeff Fisher being your head coach. Thank goodness that's finally over. :)

Are you reading my mind, bro? Cuz that is TRUTHHHH

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Saturday, Jan 14 2017

Thanks again everyone! @ couldn't make it to last weeks BR due to a work conflict but ill be at the next one. And that is the TRUTH, @

@

@

congratulations! What's the "fancy subject paintings" dissection? It sounds intriguing.

It was a thorough examination of the second passage from PT 73 -- an EXCELLENT passage to study that truly showcases all the nuances of the "new rc" from the 70s. After dissecting it with @ I viewed RC the way Neo saw the matrix have he realized he was "the one"

http://i.giphy.com/nsw2LikYmVoTS.gif

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Friday, Jan 13 2017

Thank you all so much, the community love is REAL. The journey isn't over, but my goodness i've come a long way since my sub 150 diag. Special shout out to @ , the "fancy subject paintings" dissection was such a game changer

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Monday, Dec 12 2016

@

said:

How did the hosts get from mechanical parts to this conscious and free? By suffering, they continually learned to understand their enemy.

Dr. Ford: It was Arnold's key insight, the thing that led the hosts to their awakening... suffering.

Thanks. For. That. About to hammer 50 parallel flaw questions now.

via GIPHY

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Monday, Dec 12 2016

Westworld > GoT

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Saturday, Jun 11 2016

Thanks for the tips @ and @ , just wrapped one up a couple of hours after I PT'd. I think you're both right, it's best to do it right as soon as you finish the PT. #dulynoted

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Saturday, Jun 11 2016

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BR Approach

Hey team,

Wanted some input on the optimum time to conduct a BR session. Do you find it more beneficial to BR an hour or two after you PT, or is it more effective if you wait to BR the following day? Since I'm a re-taker I'm cutting ZERO corners this time around, at the same time, I know for BR to work you need to be very meticulous and disciplined during review. I know this process, however rewarding it may be, is still taxing. What approaches did you take to properly PT/BR in conjunction with drilling your weaknesses whilst avoiding burn out?

Thanks

Happy Saturday!

Long story short I'm retaking in Feb. I've taken the 25 most recent PTs so I needed fresh material to go over in preparation for the retake. After noticing a subtle difficulty shift in the 70+ exams, I decided to combat the trickier LR/RC by drilling straight from the Cambridge difficult packets for RC AND LR. Granted they draw questions from PTs 1-38, but every question there has a 4 or 5 star difficult rating. I figure if I can train myself to combat those questions, and drill 25 of them at a time (for LR) as if they were a "normal" LR section I'll be much faster and more comfortable with the lengthier and more convoluted 70+ stimuli. I plan to drill all the difficult RC passages in the same fashion, using 4 difficult passages as if it were a normal RC section...Then with about 2.5 weeks until the Feb exam, I plan to retake/BR PTs 71-77. Has anyone tried this or something similar? What are your thoughts on this approach...Do you guys think it can work or do you think it's too much of a gamble because of the way the "new" LR stimuli is constructed and phrased? Thank you in advance for your input!

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Monday, Jan 09 2017

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PT 80?

Does anyone have any insight on when or if we'll have it available for purchase on LSAC's site or Amazon before the Feb administration?

Also, if it does become available, what are the chances that 7sage will have explanations available in time for Feb?

Thanks!

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Saturday, Jul 09 2016

lol @ and @ ... indeed. Suits is a cookie cutter version of TGW. Entertaining, almost has an Entourage feel to it, but TGW takes the legal drama to another level.

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Saturday, Jul 09 2016

@ doin' work....

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Friday, Jul 08 2016

Wow... not ONE mention of The Good Wife? 5 Different actors from that show received Emmys for their performances. One of the best drama's on television period. Redefined the procedural format by adding a super captivating storyline . Much more interesting cases than any of the other law driven series on tv. Though I will say The Wire is right up there with Mad Men as the greatest shows of all time.

Hey everyone,

Could really use your advice. So I took the Dec. 2015 and Feb. 2015 administrations and subsequently cancelled them both after. I know this isn't an ideal situation or move pre se, but it was one I was forced with after bombing both sittings due to what I think is some sort of performance anxiety amongst a couple of other pertinent issues. I PT consistently around the the low to mid 160s.

I had high aspirations of trying to achieve a 170+, but would of been content with scoring around my average. Unfortunately , on both tests I had pretty bad draws with protcor/ test site ambiguities and had trouble moving on from a section that I know I have gone wrong.

To illustrate this scenario clearer, I opened with back to back LGs and got "the real" LG second during this past Saturday's administration. The easy "mirror game" took way longer than it should have (9) min and I even had to leave one or two circled, although I was a little flustered I was then quickly able to move through the second game .. only to become completely "frozen" from the European cities game. I was shocked, because those games are usually my best.. I tanked a bunch of time just trying to interpret the rules and before I could confidently answer two questions I realized I sank another 11 minutes. Needless to say I freaked out. I jumped right over to the 4th game but could confidently answer only about half the questions. All in all, I believe I bombed the section with at least -11. From that point forward I was so livid, I couldn't move forward. I had LR next and had difficulty just parsing out grammar and finding conclusions -- two of my stronger skill sets-- while I was battling the section. LR is my strong point, but it felt like I just pretty much forgot everything. That trend only continued as the test went on. After 7 months of studying I wasn't ready to accept a potential sub - 150 score. A very similar situation happened to me during the December administration. Nevertheless, I plan to retake in June and conquer this beast once and for all.

Having gone through the curriculum in it's entirety and completing the vast majority of PTs 40--70s, how would you recommend studying for my third, and FINAL, re-take in June. Also, any advice on how to combat the psychological battle with questions you feel you might have missed?

Good luck to the sages taking on the beast tomorrow. Get plenty of rest, relax, and just chill out today.

Don't know how helpful this will be for everyone, but I had a realization a couple of weeks back and it's helped me tremendously during PTs, so I figured I should share. Like many on here, I have issues with being able to skip questions in an effective matter.. and as JY and all the other Mentors on here have taught us; if you aren't able to hone that skill you'll never achieve your max potential score. And as many times as I heard it, read it, tried it, forced it, that notion never really stuck with me -- and that's why I'll be sitting for my third take in September.

However, I recently had a very profound realization while watching Jackie Bradley Jr go on a 28 game hitting streak. (Bare with me non-baseball fans, this story will make perfect sense even if you don't watch). Jackie Bradley is currently one of the best hitters in all of baseball... but for the first three years of his career he was mediocre at best, and some even considered him to be a below average player during that span.

This year, however, something changed. He started swinging at the ball significantly less than he used to. Pitchers became dumbfounded because they used to be able to throw any garbage pitch and he would always swing and miss. Refusing to give up the potential he knew he had, he worked with a new swinging coach to change his approach during the offseason. And now, he rarely, if ever, swings at a bad pitch.. Anyone here starting to catch how analogous this is to combatting the LSAT?

The greatest batters in the history of baseball were the ones who had a great eye for bad pitches. They didn't swing at every pitch that came their way. And something tells me, (though it may be a mere correlation ;) ) the highest lsat scorers are the ones who know they've come across a bad pitch. They don't get flustered, they stay disciplined, and they know when "not to swing" when they come across a "bad pitch" or, in our case, a really tough question.

So go out there, do your best Babe Ruth impression. Don't take swings at questions that are bad pitches. Instead look for that easy fastball, (better known to us as "low hanging fruit"), right down the middle and knock it out of the park. Before you know it, you'll have humbled the metaphoric pitcher in the LSAT and with your confidence riding sky high, there won't be any pitch (or question) he'll be able to toss your way that would stop you from smacking a grand slam. See you all at home plate. Good Luck!

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Friday, Oct 02 2015

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Adderall and the LSAT

OK... Save the anti-drug bashing, but constructive criticism is invited. I've taken it since college and I've done pretty damn well with it. Now with two months left before the Dec. exam I'm starting to wonder if this is hindering my abilities. Sometimes it works great, other times not so much... For example, I'll dominate an LR section but the very next RC section I'll get lost in a passage and start to panic, which then throws me off come question time and vice/versa. I've been studying since June with it currently scoring in the high 150's low 160's... Is there anyone else here taking it who has a successful strategy with using it correctly? Perhaps a certain time of day you take it? Any specific foods you eat to maintain energy? I'm worried if I stop taking it altogether it will throw me off and by the time I recover and begin to excel it will be too late for the Dec. administration. Any suggestions or pity party invitations are graciously accepted, haha. Cheers #addywoes.

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Monday, Jan 02 2017

Amazing list! Thank you all. @ @ @ I noticed most people comments didn't mention the games from 1-20. I have a LG packet of "miscellaneous" games and they include

PT1-S2-G1

PT2-S3-G3

PT4-S3-G4

PT6-S4-G3

PT6-S4-G4

PT8-S2-G2

PT9-S3-G4

PT10-S2-G3

PT11-S1-G4

PT12-S2-G4

PT13-S1-G4

PT15-S4-G2

PT16-S1-G4

PT18-S1-G3

PT18-S1-G4

PT20-S3-G3

PT21-S1-G2

PT30-S1-G1

Should I focus on the more recent "weird" games posted above or distribute my team as best as I can to master ALL of the weird games?

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Monday, Jan 02 2017

Thanks team, this is huge. Gonna try and full proofs these mafks prior to Feb!

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