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Wednesday, Jul 29 2015

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PT17.S2.Q20 - until about 400 million years ago

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-17-section-2-question-20/

B is the answer, and the only reason I did not choose it is because it required me to make an assumption that 1. Plankton are not fish (which would require some background knowledge of what plankton are), and 2 particles from the from the mud did not contain fish. Can someone explain this question to me from a different perspective please. Answer A is easy to come by if I knew I was allowed to make such assumptions.

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Tuesday, Jul 28 2015

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How long?

How long into your prep did you start to add time, and become strict with time? and how did you get good with timing besides practice?

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Saturday, Sep 26 2015

@.janson35 I am not planning on applying this cycle, Feb. Is wayy too late. I also want to take the Feb lsat because I am currently not working to study for the lsat, and after Feb I def will need a full time job I am running low on cash. If worse comes to worse, I will use the Feb test date as experience, and retake.

My plan is to take every single PT(1-75) under timed conditions, BR every single questions on every single PT, designating notebooks to BR, meaning write out an explanation for every correct, and incorrect answer. With this, however, I will not be doing timed sections, rather my timed sections will be PT's. After every 5 PT's I was planning to create my own PT with the questions I got wrong from all 5 PT's, as well as games I did not score a -0 on. Do you guys think this is a good idea for studying, and perfecting my abilities to dominate this test? I know this sounds like a bit much, and the burn out is prob real, but I feel like to truly get a 180 you need to transfer all of your energy into this test, and this is what I am planning to do. I should mention my LSAT administration is in December.

The second thing I wanted to ask about is the SuperPrep by LSAC. Is it worth purchasing?

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Friday, Sep 25 2015

@ Parents don't understand sometimes, and it is so frustrating. My parents especially do not understand that this test requires this much studying. I am Middle-Eastern, and I don't know if you have dealt with parents of this decent, but lemme tell you, they are stubborn as hell. Also, people who do not know about this test, and I tell them when I am taking it, their response is "WOW why so long, its just a test."

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Friday, Sep 25 2015

@ I was thinking that I would take it in Feb, and then retake if I want.

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Friday, Sep 25 2015

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO That is just totallllyyy hillarious.

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Friday, Sep 25 2015

@.hopkins Thanks, I def needed some reassurance. I could not even fall asleep last night stressing about this so hard.

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Friday, Sep 25 2015

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Have I made the right decision?

So I was planning to take my LSAT in December, but I was scoring in the 150's with BR's in the 160's, no where near my goal, so I just finally said I don't want to put myself under so much pressure for the December test, and postponed my test until Feb. I am feeling a bit stressed out considering my parents and everyone around me is nagging me to death to take the December administration so I don't take a year off, but I know this score is just way too important, considering this determines school, job prospect, and how much scholarship money I will get, to just allow their nagging to overpower common sense.

From your perspectives, do you guys fee like my decision was reasonable, or was I just paranoid and actually had enough time to study and score in the 170's by December?

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Tuesday, Dec 22 2015

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PT49.S4.Q08 - ancient relic

I had it down to A and D and chose D. With that said, can someone destroy my reasoning for why A is not the right answer so that this sticks...

Ok, so what if pollen is transported from one region to another by wind, and human movement, we would have to assume that the pollen transferred is indistinguishable from the pollen that is KNOWN to have been unique to that area.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-49-section-4-question-08/

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Tuesday, Dec 22 2015

So, @ you have brought something to my attention. When testing, I think sometimes I don't really know exactly what is wrong about the relationship, and from there I let the answer choices guide me. Unfortunately, I feel like with that strategy that is where I might get bogged down because I analyze each answer choice wayy too much, and that creates overthinking, and more importantly, me somehow reasoning that the wrong answer is right. Do you think that could be the issue?

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Tuesday, Dec 22 2015

My next pt is tom, ill let you know how that goes.

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Tuesday, Dec 22 2015

also, @ @ @ @, maybe I misunderstand what you mean by fundamentals, do you mind elaborating on what constitutes "fundamentals?"

Twssmith, I do know how to negate, but I agree with you, maybe I need to write out the AC's to see my personal pattern of reasoning on the wrong answers, and demolish that reasoning. I know I can def do it, I just need to patch a few holes, thank you.

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Monday, Dec 21 2015

I am able to identify 99.9% of the time what are the premises and the conclusion. I am also able to call upon what I need to do to get the question right, for example SA assumption questions there is a gap where a new idea is introduced which should be linked to an idea that the author assumes is the same. In flaw questions the author makes an error in reasoning from P to C. Weaken questions require us to, not attack the Premise, not attack the conclusion, but wreck the relationship between the Premise and conclusion. I know what I am supposed to do. I am usually getting the level 4 and 5 difficulty questions wrong, and most of the time the question is so subtle, and I am choosing the wrong attractive AC. I mean the questions I missed on PT 52 were pretty tough to be honest.

I would say my weakness varies on the difficulty of the questions to be honest. Most of the time, however I struggle with NA. NA questions take the most time for me, and sometimes flaw.

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Monday, Dec 21 2015

Thanks for the reply. My BR scores are not where they need to be, I will continue studying and use the analytic system on here to see what I am doing wrong. I am mostly getting down to 2 answers and choosing the wrong one, so I am not sure if that it is fundamentals or not to be honest.

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Monday, Dec 21 2015

No I have not, however I do not have the money to shell out for a tutor, nor do I actually want to shell out any more money. Thank you for the suggestion though.

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Monday, Dec 21 2015

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Could really use some guidance.

I am getting really flustered to be completely honest. I am not getting much better at this test due to the fact that I just tend to overthink every single thing. There are so many drawbacks to that 1. I run out time because obviously if I am overthinking everything, I will never have enough time 2. Because I am over thinking I am almost always changing from the right to the wrong answer because I wrongly make wrong answer sound right by doing this overthinking process. It sounds practically insane to ask someone how to get over this "overthinking" mindset, but I am going to ask anyway. Has anyone ever gone through this experience, or is going through this experience, and how did you, are how are you, getting over it. This over thinking process is very prevalent in my BR where I have unlimited time to think about the answer.

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Friday, Nov 20 2015

I would not say the games are harder, but they are weird. With the older games, I would look and be able to identify what kind of game it is i.e. grouping sequencing etc... With test 48 I was only able to identify what 2 of the games were, but I should not really be all confused, after all it is only one test and I would need a larger data set for me to gauge me understanding.

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Monday, Jul 20 2015

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Need some advice

Hey guys, just wondering, I have the LSAT starter from 7sage, and I was thinking of upgrading to ultimate, but my dilemma is that I am only purchasing the ultimate for the PT explanations, I already own all of the pt's from 1-75. Is the purchase worth it just for explanations?

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Thursday, Nov 19 2015

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PT48 and on

Hey guys,

For a while now I have been working through the earlier PT's 21-38, concentrating on accuracy and applying the proper methodology to the questions. I recently discovered that I was unable to purchase PT's 39-48 because they are unavailable in the form of the 10 PT's. I decided to purchase PT's 48, 49, 50, 51 and I already have 52-75. I sat down to do timed sections with PT 48 and everything just seems way different from the PT's I have been practicing with; Questions are asked different, and the games in this test were weird, and I could not identify what type of games they were. Is it like this for all the newer tests and it is just something which I need to get familiar with, or is this test just weird? When I took the 07 PT the games were not this weird, so I am not sure what is going on.

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Saturday, Sep 19 2015

@ gotcha, thanks. @.janson35 I absolutely agree with you. Most of the more difficult sections start out with a simple sequencing that should be done in under 5mins so that you have time for the rest of the games, and I definitely know not to neglect them.

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Tuesday, Aug 18 2015

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Logical negation

The logical negation of "At least some rhinoceroses whose horns are periodically trimmed off will be able to attract mates," is "none of the rhinoceroses whose horns are periodically trimmed off will be able to attract mates." correct?

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Friday, Sep 18 2015

@ any specific game type I should focus on first? Currently, I just have a large folder and I just pick out a game from each game type packe and do the games timed.

You must forgive my atrocious grammar and spelling mistakes, I am typing this from my phone, and I have been waking up everyday at 5:30am.

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Friday, Sep 18 2015

@ I actually did not drill too many of the questions in the curriculum. I did some but just to learn the basics, so I am not really seeing many questions that I saw previously, however I did decide to stop using the older PT's because, as you said, I needed drilling material. Also, I am actually using the method you discuss in your post, so I will continue with that. Thanks.

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Friday, Sep 18 2015

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Efficiency

What should I be doing to ensure that my time studying is utilized in an efficient manner? After finishing the 7sage course I took 4 PT's 19-22 I am averaging in the 150's with BR's in the 160's. I do not want to waste PT's. What should I be doing at this point, drilling, or continue PT'ing? I currently stopped PT'ing and decided to drill my LR weaknesses as well as logic games. My logic games is still terrible, but I just recently started getting into deep Logic games drilling and understanding. I am using the fool proof method and getting better, but I am def still terrible.

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Friday, Sep 18 2015

If you really need to keep track of time just use a regular watch and rotate the hand to12. I use this method along with several other people on this forum and its cheap and simple.

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Wednesday, Sep 16 2015

Yes, I am.

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Monday, Sep 14 2015

@ def worth it. However I don't think they are available anymore.

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Friday, Aug 14 2015

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Finally Finished

So, I am finally finished with the 7sage course, this is when things start to get interesting. I would like to know what you guys recommend I should do. Should I do a PT or two first and drill based on the scores of the PT's? or, should I drill a bit first and then take the PT's? I also want to mention that I have little practice with time. As I was working through the course I just kept track of time on a stopwatch, but essentially gave myself unlimited time to work on accuracy, and understanding.

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Thursday, Aug 13 2015

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What do you think?

So, I have been wondering about this for sometime now. Is it really THAT important to graduate from a T25 Law School vs. graduating from an ABA accredited law school ranked in the top 50? Do you think it is that much harder to get a job, and that much harder to make a six figure salary? I had a Prof who graduated from temple law, and she was the corporate council of my town, and we were talking and she was explaining to me how she had Harvard, NYU, and Columbia graduates working for her, and she said all they knew how to do was read, and write, hardly ever able to speak in public, I mean she said they were smart, but that's as far as it went. What are your opinions on this?

BTW no I am not in it for the money, however I do not want to graduate with 250K of debt, and then work making 50K a year.

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Sunday, Sep 13 2015

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PT12 S1 Q24 and some others

PT12 S1 Q24- I Have no idea how the writers of the test came up with this answer. I lack understanding of why C is wrong. (I purposely left out the answer just in case someone wanted to do it on their own first.)

PT14 S4 Q9- I Just plain out do not understand how to approach this question. can someone explain?

PT9 S2 Q22- Does the answer to this question rely on the distinction between the term "city-wide" and "city residents" or is there something I am not seeing?

PT11 S4 Q19- I got the answer to this question right, but only because of POE, but I want to know why this answer is right. Can someone please assist me in articulating why this answer is right?

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Thursday, Aug 13 2015

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Your struggle question type(s).

What was/is the question type(s) that you struggle with? How did you get over your struggle? What word of advice can you give to someone struggling with the question type?

Not sure if such a post was already attempted before, but I think this would be a good thread to start to get different question types perspectives, and ways to get over the difficulty of a question type.

So, let me begin. The most difficult question type for me are assumption questions. I did not really get over my struggle yet with NA but with SA I got over my struggle by first mapping out the conditionals, and with that practice I just began to see what needed to be linked up for a valid argument. My advice would be practice with a purpose, and understand what you are doing wrong, and why you are not getting to the right answer. Look for what terms need to be connected to make the valid argument, and understand which is the premise and the conclusion.

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Thursday, Aug 13 2015

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Necessary assumption woes.

I currently suck at this question type. I mean I do not have a clue on what I am doing even when applying the negation test. what is a good strategy to get over these woes?

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Tuesday, Aug 11 2015

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I think sometimes this needs to be done.

I have been kind of looking around posts with advice on what to do, how to do it, and in what time range, and I see a lot of "don't do this," "no, you can't do that," or my favorite, "it take more than x amount of time." I feel as if some people take that as a predictor of what is going to happen. I want to clarify something for everyone who misunderstands posts of guidance, ONLY YOU CAN DETERMINE ANYTHING, whether it be it length of time, what your approach should be, how to do something, or anything that pertains to, not just this test, but anything. Let me clarify a bit. I am not saying do not listen to ANY of the advice, what I am saying is take everyone's advice with a grain of salt, and rely on yourself, and be confident in yourself no matter what it is that you do. I read something on another site, and someone was asking if they could reach 170 in 4 months with a 150 diagnostic, and a few people outright said it was near impossible. Nothing is impossible if you work hard, only failures, and people who lack self-confidence think anything is impossible. Just work hard, trust yourself, and don't sell yourself short.

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Tuesday, Aug 11 2015

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Do you think this is a good strategy?

So I am in the section of the curriculum where I am doing Logic Games, and I wanted to get your opinions on my strategy of tackling the practice problems. What I have been doing is doing the games on my own no matter how long they take until I figured out every inference on my own, sometimes it takes really long, sometimes I get the inferences in seconds. I do not watch JY's explanation until I am done with the game. Is this what I should be doing to get better at inferences, or is it better to just watch the game explanation if I am unable to make the inference?

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Friday, Sep 11 2015

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Confused.

I feel like I am not grasping the fundamentals properly, I am rarely able to predict what the answer choice will be until I get to the answer choices, although I have this general idea of what could be wrong with the argument. I am also missing a ton of level 4 and 5 questions. After 4 PT's I have narrowed down my weaknesses to Flaw, NA, SA, and even though it does not happen often MBT questions. I want to add that even when I am BR'ing I don't I still lack the ability of choosing the correct answers for those questions. Do you guys think this is a fundamentals issue, or it is lack of experience since I have only done 4 PT's?

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Sunday, Jan 10 2016

@ @ I was actually just talking to my significant other about all the things you guys have mentioned here. I personally think the reason why I am so devastated is because I can wholeheartedly say that I never failed at anything;no matter what it was in my life that I did, if I put my my mind to it, I achieved it. Whether it be academia, athletics, personal goals I just never failed. Anytime I said something was gonna happen I worked myself to the bone until I made it happen, and it never took me long...EVER. This is truly my first failure in life; the first thing I ever said I was going to do and was unable to for what ever reason. When I started studying for this test, I had, not even the slightest of doubts, that I was going to score in the 170's, and now I am here, and no 170. It really does not help that I was always at the top of class in school as well, yes it might not be an ivy school, but I surely was surrounded by atleast some intelligent human beings. I stopped stressing so much about what I get on this test. I accepted my fate, and all I can do now is just continue to work hard, and make the best with what I have, after all it really is just a test.

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Wednesday, Sep 09 2015

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Blind Review

How extensive is your reasoning for eliminating wrong answer choices? Do you just write something small like "no evidence" "does the opposite of correct answer," or do you go deeper? I feel like I need to BR better sometimes I just feel like I cannot reach 100% certainty on questions when I am BR'ing.

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Friday, Aug 07 2015

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did you do this?

I am interested in knowing what people, who had/have the 7sage curriculum, did during the curriculum. I am particularly interested in if those individuals drilled during the curriculum. I also do not mean drill as in doing the 5 questions at the end of every section, I mean full on drill a section of those specific question types then BR them. I recently purchased the 7sage ultimate, and I am now at 40% finished with the course, however the only reason I am not further in the course is because when I had the starter package I went through most of the curriculum without having the extra problem sets that come with the ultimate. Essentially, I was about 70% done with the core curriculum when I had the starter. Now, however, I have to go back and do all the other problem sets that come with the ultimate package. I do not mind doing this at all, however I was thinking of finishing the core first, which I do not have much of, and then going back to do all the rest of the problem sets as drills. Is this a good idea? I just feel that I will truly never finish with this course if I continue to drill in the midst of learning the core. My drilling is too precise, I mean I can literally take about 4hrs to understand every nitty gritty detail of a 5 question problem set for LR, as well as LG,this includes the ones I already understand, which means finishing this course will not happen anytime soon, and although the fundamentals are extremely important, I am not going to get any better at this test if I do not start drilling sections, and PTing. What advice do you guys have for me?

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Wednesday, Jan 06 2016

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Wednesday, Jan 06 2016

Thanks guys, its truly the individuals like you and eveyone else who has helped me on this forum that make this forum truly hold a special place in my lsat journey. I will continue on my pursuit to success disallowing this test the power to control my life, after all it is truly just a test.

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Wednesday, Jan 06 2016

@ my test date is feb which means I have no time for a break, and to be honest, if after 8 months of studying I can't break160, I might as well end the journey, before I go from "discouraged" to "devastated." Also, if 160 is really my ceiling then I must be really incompetent. After 8 months of studying, I should have been topping off in the 170's.

@ I do hold myself to a high standard. I have never failed at anything in my life, whether it be athletics, or academics, so failing now is really hitting me hard. Also, to see my friends who were in the 140s get a 170+ while im just sitting here with not even a 150 score is just crushing to my spirit; it literally feels as if someone has just ripped my soul out of my body. It sounds a bit over dramatic, but its truly how I feel.

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Wednesday, Jan 06 2016

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Feeling so discouraged...

I can't really believe what I a going through right now to be honest. I studied diligently for 8 months...did the 7sage course did practice questions, timed sections, about 5 timed PT's and I cant even get past 140's on my timed tests....IDK what happens during timed tests...everything just flies out the window I guess? My last blind review was a 160...not the best but it at least means I understand something about this test....on my BR I am usually -5 to -9 on each LR section -5 to -9 on RC and -0 to -3 on logic games...Why am I not getting this on my timed tests? I have never ever studied so hard for something to see little to no results...to be honest at this point I just want to at least score in the 150's to move on with my life. I have never been a good test taker, but I always did either average or slightly above average, but with this test I just get no where. This test is of no indication what so ever to my future capabilities as a lawyer, or my intelligence, but for some reason it is truly making me depressed with a feeling of hopelessness.

I know posting things like this on a forum is inappropriate, but I def need to talk to fellow test takers because every time I talk to someone about my feelings with this test they just say "its only a test, and one bad test wont ruin your entire future."

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Wednesday, Aug 05 2015

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Lizards/Snakes

Sooooo, I just did Pt 27 S2 G2 which is the lizards and snakes game. That was challenging as hell. Did you guys struggle with this game as well? Also I am a bit flustered by the explanation of this game. JY makes the claim that the 1st premise of this game means that each habitat has 2 slots, but how do we know that if the rule just states MAX 2 PER SLOT? Max 2 does not mean every habitat has 2 slots. Also, during the exam you are not going to "ignore certain elements of the game." How did you guys go about solving this game?

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Monday, Jan 04 2016

@ Thank you, I will continue to nit pick at my error in reasoning and hopefully I will be able to overcome them. The reason why I don't want to pay for a tutor is because I just think I need to practice more with timed tests and with the difficult questions. I feel that a tutor at this point in my prep will only be telling me why my reasoning is wrong, and while that sounds great I have you and JY's videos to tell me that my reasoning is wrong and how I should change it. Also, I learn best from hands on experience such as taking tests and dissecting the answer choices. My issue was that for such a long time I did un-timed, older material, and now that I am doing timed new material everything is hitting me at once. The newer tests are more subtle with the answer choices on the more difficult questions, more so than the older tests, and I am still getting used to that, as well as the timing aspect. If worse comes to worse I will get a tutor for sure, but for now I am gonna take a stab at my errors in reasoning, notice more of the subtleties and see where that leads me. I am taking my first try at this test in FEB and will see how that goes, then I will prob take it again during the summer, and if by then I still do not understand that I will get a tutor. Thank you for your guidance, as well as everyone else's, it is always truly appreciated.

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Thursday, Sep 03 2015

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Still struggling.

I am now on timed PT's and still struggling with MBT questions and SA questions. I have only taken 3 PT's so far 19,20, 21. I'm BRing in the 160's w.o BRing RC if I were to be BRing RC, I would be in the 170's. Do you guys have any advice for me regarding MBT and SA? Also, is it worth BR'ing RC? When I do untimed RC passagesI don't really struggle considering I have all the time in the world.

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Friday, Oct 02 2015

@ The 2nd game was not really bad, if you are fluent in reading conditionals. The last game I just had no clue on my first attemp.

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Friday, Jan 01 2016

The way I approach every stim is with the mindset that the argument is not sound unless it is a MBT or MP question. Sometimes though, for the tougher questions, I cannot tell exactly what the answer is but I do know that the answer will always address the relationship between the P and C. For example, if the question is a weaken question and the conclusion says something like "thus, bob is not intelligent," I would know that one of the answer choices could say something like "Bob did not do well on his physics exam because he had chicken pox." I usually know what the answer choice will do, but sometimes what I have a problem with is that I analyze the answers so much that even the right answer seems like its wrong. Also sometimes for the tougher questions its difficult to figure out why that one answer is right because it seems so irrelevant when its really not. Maybe I am not that intelligent to see certain things?

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Thursday, Oct 01 2015

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PT 31 logic games section.

I always wonder how the individuals taking this test coped with this specific logic games section. The second game on this was not difficult, but time consuming as hell, and the last game is like "wth is this?"

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Saturday, Aug 01 2015

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Inference MBT

I hate these questions, they truly are the bane of my existence, and study. I am not sure what I am missing, but I am just not accurate with these questions. How did you guys better understand this question type? what was your technique, and what made them click for you? In on of JY's videos, he claims that for 170+ target scorers there is not enough time to conditionally map out the question, but for me, the harder ones just seem impossible without mapping. Also, sometimes mapping is difficult due to my inability to identify which is the sufficient, and which is the necessary condition. With the latter issue, there are no conditional words for guidance. How does one become better at identifying the sufficient/necessary condition without the trigger words being present (aside from just practice of course because once I finish the 7sage course, practice is all I will be doing).

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