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Thursday, Nov 29 2018

A seems to somewhat support the second sentence which supports the conclusion, I would pick that!

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Tuesday, Aug 28 2018

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Personal Post - Personal statement topic?

Edit: I apparently didnt understand the difference between personal and diversity statements. I do now! This is a post about a potential personal statement. Edited the title.

Hey friends, personal post below. I'm Interested to hear if this would qualify as a good personal statement

I suffered from some difficult mental health problems that landed me in the hospital during my adoolesnce (depression, panic attacks, psychosis and hearing voices). I dropped out of university and lost a lot of my friends, it was a really rough period in my life. If it wasnt for my family and close friends who stuck with me as well as wonderful doctors and specialists I would never have made it.

I finally sought treatment, medication was huge but also I went Tree planting, which is this brutal job that is popular among students in Canada. For five seasons I worked outside 60+ hours a week, living in a tent and being feasted on by bugs with a small group of people who became some of my best friends. It was during these seasons and long days that my mental health improved the most.

I want to write a diversity statement called "how tree planting saved my life" or something, and tie my own mental health problems and my total 180 in terms of my own life (I'm getting great grades + good lsat score) could help me empathize with other people who arnt as lucky as me and didnt have the same access to supports. The criminal system is filled with people who feel through the cracks and it's important lawyers on both sides have the capacity to emphasize with the extraordinary difficulties people can face with their own mental health.

Is this an appropriate topic for a personal statement? Are there elements I should emphasize or things I shouldn't bring up? should I try and find something else?

Thanks

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samuelttyler890
Wednesday, Nov 28 2018

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I've never been a perfect scorer on LG but at my peak was consistently around -2. I stayed stuck at about -4/-5 for a while when I realized that rule substitution questions were a huge time suck for me. I decided to start skipping them and my score automatically went up to around the -2/-3 range. I realized I had let those questions drag me down so that by the time I got to game 4, I usually only had around 5-6 minutes left and was lucky to answer 1 or 2 questions correctly. Skipping rule subs gave me enough time to actually do the last game and occasionally with time to spare to go back and do the rule subs I skipped. I later tweaked it to reading the rule sub question and answering if it jumped out right away and skipping if it didn't. That usually would leave me with less time at the end, but less need to have to go back to earlier games and was a wash in accuracy.

I agree with this. Also, just formatting your game boards in a clean way (I.e, they are legible and in order), and then do all the additional premise questions first (If X is here, where does Y go?), and then going back and doing the acceptable situation questions (which of the following MBT/MBF/CBT/CBF/where can Y go?) you can use your boards to eliminate many or all wrong answers without any work. This is also very helpful because for the rule substitution question cuz even if your gonna skip and guess you can often skim your boards and eliminate 2-3 choices because they directly violate boards which you know are legitimate, and get down to around a 50% chance with only a few seconds of work.

Looking back I may also be able to give you more specific feedback. Generally speaking, are you struggling with games with few available game boards and big inferences, or games that are wide open that are usually just guess and check over and over again? Approaches to improving could be different depending

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samuelttyler890
Wednesday, Nov 28 2018

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Be sure not to delay any parts of your application. I took the test in December and it took me a couple weeks after scores were released to get my application out. I had plenty of free time to work on the applications, but I assumed they would take less time than they did.

Oh okay, thanks for the advise. I'm the kind of person who focuses on one task at a time, so I was all consumed with LSAT studies and hadn't thought at all about the next step until now. I don't even know how to navigate the CAS system...so I can see that it will take me some time to have everything done, especially with 3 kids and a full time job.

If you haven't yet, sort out your LORs! I reached out pretty late to my last LORer so that delayed my application by a solid week.

This. You prob should have asked by now, if you havent, get on it asap. Courtesy is 6 weeks but any less than 4 could be considered rude, at least if they are academic.

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samuelttyler890
Wednesday, Nov 28 2018

there was never any breakthrough moment for me, I eventually just started scoring better and better until I averaged around-1. I usually finish with 1-5 min to spare, and I just methodically move thru the game, and I apply rules in a systematic way so the result is always the same. just keep working at it, because theres no single gameplan that works for every game, you just need to learn to adapt and that comes from experience.

I think you have it backwards, you get better at LG and that leads to a better time. You cant really reverse the flow here, focusing on timing your sections to score better. Just keep practicing, blind reviewing and reviewing the course, and you will def see improvement! it took me prob 130+ LG sections (600 games) to get close to perfect.

there def are timing stratigies if your aiming for a lot less than perfect tho, mostly just picking your battles and focusing on the easier games, allowing yourself to skip more time consuming stuff, you should def be doing this if your not averaging close to -0

make sure to review the core c + BR to master the many strategies!

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Tuesday, Aug 28 2018

samuelttyler890

170 On my last preptest!!!!

I scored 170 on my last preptest (75)!!! -1/-2 on each LR, -3 on LG, -4 on RC! (-10 for 170 sadly) Theres no purpose to this post, I'm just excited all this studying has paid off! 168 was my previous best a few days ago I ddint think a 170 would ever happen, I diagnosticed at 151. 10 weeks of full time studying at 7 sage brought me up like 15 points! Woot!

I have taken a few weeks to focus on admissions stuff, but the September LSAT didn't go well for me. I panicked on RC and the first LR, i have always had pretty severe test anxiety and it really hit me hard on test day. I did okay on the second LR and after the break i calmed down and the last two sections went fine. All in all I expect to be about ten points or more below a good practice test, which is obviously quite disappointing.

Overall though, its not a big deal. Writing in September was an important experience, and i'm looking forward to seeing my score so i can review and see what I can improve on. Pretty much thanks to reading and exploring these forums I have come to realize that writing more than once, although not ideal isn't a big deal either and what is important is showing long term improvement. I have been forcing myself to read an old economist front to back every day and the last few days i started prepping again, I did two timed RC sections and scored -3 on each, tied for best two scores on timed RC so far. I'm optimistic i can really do well in November, I feel way less anxiety and I will be more prepared. If anyone else bombed September just wanted to let people know there's other people out there in the same boat and looking forward to crushing November with whoever decides to write then! I remember after the test i found solace in reading other peoples horror stories and realizing i'm not alone in my bad test so i figured i would pay back now, right before scores are released. Goodluck!

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samuelttyler890
Monday, Nov 26 2018

I recently wrote a best case/ worst worst case for each section and used that to estimate my score, and I also ended up with 169.

I then expanded that to a chart to something that I'm giving to my partner and friends, that explains my emotional reaction to different score, and suggests what we should do, they all involve drinking heavily

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samuelttyler890
Monday, Nov 26 2018

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@ I believe @ is making a 69 joke

Side note: this is now the second time I've had to explain a 69 joke on the 7sage forum. I'm either doing this whole forum thing wrong orrrrrr really right

maybe that's not the reason Simple man said that. at all and you just have 69ing on the brain

this wait is so brutal I hate LSAC more for this than anything else

Small question, I mostly just dont want to get an infraction. When the Proctor says "turn the page, read the instructions, and start working now" can you turn the page as soon as he starts saying turn the page, or perhaps after he completes that instruction, or do you need to wait until he says now? it's probably only 5 or 10 seconds per section, but hey, 30 seconds overall could amount to an entire mark! When do I turn the page?

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samuelttyler890
Saturday, Nov 24 2018

I'd be careful with this. I think the first question is, what was this letter about? If you we're standing up for a social justice issue that you felt was really important, then it could be a good topic. But if not I'm skeptical.

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samuelttyler890
Thursday, Nov 22 2018

I totally commend you wanting to take risks in the personal statement, but this is not the way to do it. Be bold in what you write, but not in how you format or your medium. They are asking for an essay, so give them an essay. You can be poetic in your choice or words and the way you style your writing, the admissions officers get bored reading personal statements i'm sure, so spicing up the writing in a tactful way can improve your chances, but don't submit a poem.

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samuelttyler890
Wednesday, Nov 21 2018

There have definitely been circle games recently, but they have not been described as circle games. For example, they will explain them as a 5 lap relay race, where the first runner will run both the first and last lap. Anytime you have a sequencing game where the first and last member of the sequence is the same person, you have something quite similar to a circle game (not exactly the same)

this way of describing the game is easier for two reasons. mainly, it assists students by signaling how they should draw the diagram. Rules wise, it makes it so if you had a rule that was like "X must be more than two away from Y" you dont need to worry about repeating. but besides this they are exactly the same.

When you expand your definition of a circle game to include any sequencing game where the first and last piece are always the same, we definitely have seen something very similar to this on recent lsat administrations. being able to conceptualize this framework is definitely worth review because you never know what they will throw at you! Mastering logic games is really about being adaptable so exposing yourself to games like this are a great way to improve.

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samuelttyler890
Tuesday, Nov 20 2018

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If this were to happen, I think it would mean that the tests would not be disclosed and LSAC wouldn't release PrepTests (as ETS doesn't). GRE can have administrations almost every day because the test is not disclosed (so they can reuse questions very frequently) and there are very few real tests released. I think that may be a huge con.

Yeah, excellent point. Major con if it plays out that way.

I also hope LSAC gives students the option to send only the best LSAT score to schools in that case because I think that's what ETS does for GRE. But I think that would lead to higher median LSAT scores, and that might make schools to value GPAs more. Hmmmm

i really hope they don't do this, assuming there is variance in every test it just becomes correct to write like five or ten times which is a massive drag. They should continue with multiple "test days" each year, and fresh questions in each, to avoid this and not allow students to just jam the test over and over again. You can do this now, but you need to wait a few months between administrations and all your scores are sent to the schools.

Actually i just remembered i probably never need to write this stupid test anymore! i guess actually i don't really care! but for future generations

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samuelttyler890
Tuesday, Nov 20 2018

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@ Can you tell us more about your friend's accommodation? How he applied for it, whether he got a doctor's recommendation, etc.

He went to his doctor, and his doctor documented but to the best of my knowledge there was no official diagnosis of anxiety disorders. He got ten minutes between sections to do CBT and meditation to deal with the test anxiety.

He had attempted the lsat and bombed due to anxiety once before on file as well. Im pretty sure he also had to write some sort of statement to LSAC explaining his situation

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Tuesday, Nov 20 2018

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Seeing my score: expectations vs reality

Were you disappointed when you saw your score? Do students tend to over-predict or under-predict there scores walking out of the test?

To be fair most people on this forum who have written multiple times probably did so because they did poorly the first time so we might have a bit of a confirmation bias here. But is there any consensus that students generally overestimate / underestimate there score on average?

UBC says refrences are optional for the general category. How optional is this? UBC is a pretty strong Canadian school (LSAT median 165 GPA 3.7), but it does clearly say you dont need to send refrences, but would it hurt my chances? Unlike most US and Canadian schools, UBC is not part if any credential assembly service, everything must be sent to them manually which may explain why they have this policy. I didnt think I was applying here, but changed my mind and would prefer not to bother my references if possible

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Sunday, Nov 18 2018

samuelttyler890

If your LSAT went poorly, you got this.

I freaked out during the September test, specifically during RC where i got -13 and scored around 10 points below my PT average. I was worried I would never be able to do this test. I stayed clam this time and answered every single question to the best of my ability, and now i feel like this huge weight has been lifted off my back. I may have missed a few here and there, but i am confident there were no disasters. It's been a grueling 6 months of studying for this test, I'm so happy i got through and am actually looking forward to seeing my score.

I want to encourage anyone who did badly yesterday to not give up. You are fully able to get this test. Yesterday, at the end of the writing sample, someone next to me put down her pencil and I could see the tears starting to form around her eyes, it obviously didn't go well and i remember exactly what that felt like. The writing sample feels like half an hour of torture, and all you want to do is open up your test book and try again, or leave, anything but write about soybeans or telescopes. I wanted to encourage her, because i was there before, and my experience goes to show that there is light at the end of the tunnel, and i firmly believe that's true for anyone who puts the work in.

I had so many bad tests and discouraging moments studying for LG and then RC, feeling like i couldn't even write down the rules of a game or understand the main point of an easy passage, but i just kept studying and doing blind reviews over and over again, and things finally started to click. I did about 95% of the available questions, leaving only a few preptests between 1-7 untouched, that's what it took for me to have a good day. Thanks you to everyone in this community for sharing there difficult moments, they helped me find the motivation when i felt there wasn't much left. For everyone that knows yesterday wasn't there last LSAT, keep putting the work in, you got this.

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samuelttyler890
Tuesday, Dec 18 2018

I think it's worth considering your financial situation, as someone who is extremely poor, I saved some money buying the paper tests, and I believe I still got everything 7sage had to offer, it just would have been easier to be ultimate +. You can reach your full potential without the ultimate or ultimate +, but if you have the means it's absolutely a good purchase (I have a friend who got ultimate + and really enjoyed it)

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samuelttyler890
Tuesday, Dec 18 2018

I would never have got my score without Pacaque thank you for guiding my hand to the right answers

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Thursday, Oct 11 2018

samuelttyler890

PT73.S2.Q20 - The advent ofchemical fertilizers led

I know it's a bad idea to argue with LSAT answers, but I find it's the best way to improve - I want to really understand exactly why my thinking is wrong. I can't seem to find out an adiqute explination for why D is wrong for this question, would love some input, I have scoured the forums but cant seem to find anyone discussing this line of attack. Thanks in advance if you take the time to look this up!

The arguement is:

chem fert caused farmers to switch from alfalfa

Alfalfa caused good soil.

C: We must Abandon chem fert in order to get good soil back.

necessicary assumption?

Evaluating this argument, it seems like the obvious consideration is that farmers could use both chems while renewing the soil. Why would we need to abandon chems? The answer needs to say that. And that sounds like what E is saying.

But when you consider this further, theres litterally nothing in the argument that says the only way to improve soil is GM method. it's easy to imagine another way to renew soil, maybe soil rotation or something. Maybe they could grow soybeans, which cause very little soil degradation when compared to other cash crops, like corn, which doesnt stand up to soybeans in both financial benefits and environmental considerations. The point is that there's really no reason to think GM is necessicary to improving soil health at all. When we consider the many potential, possibly infinite ways to improve soil health, having a single one be incomparable with chems seems to do little to improve are argument at all.

another assumption which would make the conclusion follow would be if soil improvement cannot happen as long as these chems are present in the soil. the very presence of these chemicals in the soil insures the soil cannot improve. A perfect answer could be.

"no matter what methods the farmers persue, their can be no soil improvement as long as chemical fert in question are present in the soil"

Theres no answer that says this, but D says

"chemical fert have a destructive effect on soil".

destructive is a strong word, and this holds in every case- regardless of what you do to improve the soil health, as long as their is chemicals in the soil, these chems will have a destructive effect which could conceivably limit improvement.

E is right and D is wrong. What am I failing to consider here? Thanks again if you took the time to address my question!

Admin note: edited title

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-73-section-2-question-20/

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samuelttyler890
Sunday, Dec 09 2018

It's never been an option, and besides that one test LSAC has announced no plans of making that a feature in the future. It's because of the transition in test formats.

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samuelttyler890
Sunday, Dec 09 2018

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Great job! Sounds like we had a similar experience. I was PT-ing 163-165 going into the test but I got 158 in September. But I got 165 in November, same as my highest practice score!

Test anxiety was probably the biggest factor for me as well. Despite all the practice, I was still really nervous the first time. The second time I approached it like another PT.

exactly this! I actually realized my second go that theres a point when it made sense for me to let go of intense timed / BR tests and allow myself to just study the way you want too (or not at all) leading up to the list, I found it made it alot less anxiety provoking on test day. I remember the first time I arrived early and did an entire timed LR section in the car while I waited and then scored it, and did badly. I told myself I was warming up but in reality it just crushed my confidence minutes before the test, probably the worst possible to thing you can do the day of a test lol

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samuelttyler890
Sunday, Dec 09 2018

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Congrats!

thank you!

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Saturday, Sep 08 2018

samuelttyler890

Team Soybeans

Best choice I made today. Now I'm just hoping they turn my writing prompt into a RC passage for the november test.

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samuelttyler890
Saturday, Dec 08 2018

Most schools just consider your best attempt, especially those with LSAT medians 165 and below, so i would not worry too much about this. That being said, this score will look bad to schools that consider all LSATS, since they will assume your true ability is around a 164. For your own knowledge, you should look up the admissions policies of your schools you applied and see what they list under LSAT considerations, if your interested in gauging your chances for each school.

I think that if you write an addendum, it should address your last score, and not the first lower score. Trying to make excuses for two scores at once will look bad, let the first two speak for themselves (you improved, after all). Was it simply not studying hard enough that led to the score drop, or we're there any other factors you could address? It's not really worth writing an addendum if your just going to say you didn't try hard enough. The whole point of the addendum is to address why a low score WASN'T the result of lack of effort, but factors beyond your control.

This really isn't a big deal either way and you still have a great LSAT on file!

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samuelttyler890
Saturday, Dec 08 2018

You didn't have as much anxiety this time, that's pretty much all you need to say. In November you worked in reframing the way you thought LSAT, didn't feel as much anxiety and was able to reach the score that properly represents your ability. They see score increases all the time, and anxiety is probably the biggest factor, this will definitely be nothing new to them.

Congrats on the awesome score!

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samuelttyler890
Saturday, Dec 08 2018

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Text anxiety was definitely an issue for me. I believe my score reflected that as well. RC brought my score down as well. How did you go about bringing that score up?

Honestly brute force with RC just doing eight to twelve passages a day for a month.

Test anxiety is a tough nut to crack. For me writing the second time felt way easier, i also had the experimental as section one which was a godsend because it took me like twenty minutes to relax. Have you only written once or multiple times?

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samuelttyler890
Saturday, Dec 08 2018

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Do you mind sharing how you did that?

Anxiety was a huge issue for me in September, I was PTng 165-169 going into September and then bombed, this time was more prep for RC and just way less anxiety cuz i knew i could get through it and what to expect.

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samuelttyler890
Saturday, Dec 08 2018

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My friends got their scores back and I haven't yet. Ahhhh the wait!

Same!

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samuelttyler890
Saturday, Dec 08 2018

tbh I think it will have no effect on your app either way, but doesnt hurt to write it.

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samuelttyler890
Saturday, Dec 08 2018

I know this makes sense but I just cant get myself to put another LSAT into my cart unless I know I absolutely have too

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samuelttyler890
Saturday, Dec 08 2018

I'd whip out some RC passages just in case!

Just joking, relax. or call some friends and getting hammered

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samuelttyler890
Friday, Dec 07 2018

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This may be a bit unconventional, but is it possible to retake in January and ask for reconsideration? (If you can bring it above a 160 that is) I read that someone did exactly that, same cycle, and the admissions committee reversed their decision and accepted them. Best case scenario they let you in, worst case you still have a year to reapply.

I agree with this. It's worth a shot. Go ham on the LSAT until Jan and if you can get it up to 160+ request for reconsideration. If you hit January and you cant get to 160 then you can reevaluate, but honestly you have nothing to lose giving it another shot for for this year.

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Saturday, Sep 01 2018

samuelttyler890

Role of statement questions - key terms

These are one type of question I often struggle a bit with, so I figured I would write out a bunch of common answer choice labels and define them in my own words, and was hoping others could weigh in on my definitions and possibly offer corrections, or general advice for these questions. Otherwise hopefully these definitions will help you clarify when examining the answer choices.

I find the most common labels are:

Analogy

Generalization

Example

Evidence

Premise

Sub conclusion

Principle

Support (offered as)

Premise

Main Conclusion

Destinction

Some of these are obvious, but others seem to be worth definition.

Analogy: A comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification. Example: Finding an extra point on the lsat is like finding a needle in a haystack. An analogy actually functions quite similarly to a principle - while a principle makes a broad claim and applies it to a specific case, and analogy takes one specific case and applies it to another.

Generalization - A claim, drawn from a piece of evidence about a broader population. When survey results are used to make statements about the general population, that is a generalization.

Example: I asked 50 people along the beach if they liked icecream,and they all said yes. [I guess everyone on the beach likes icecream.]

Evidence: When were talking about evidence were talking about something objective. Evidence is a fact or something observable that, in and of itself, says nothing about what should or ought to be. Sometimes you might think evidence implies something, for example, the claim [gun violence has risen 25% every year for the past 6 years] might indicate gun violence is a serious problem, but that's you applying the meaning.

Premise: a premise is a claim which is subjective. [Gun violence is a problem] is a subjective statement when it's used to support the conclusion: Thus, /we should invest more money in our police force/ Premises are directed towards and support conclusions.

Sub Conlusion: These get pretty easy to identify eventually. I just look at rather evidence is directed at it. A subconlusion is a joint which connects premises and often packages them together into something easier and more compact that can then be tied into the main conclusion. If your unsure which conclusion, just look at which conclusion is directing into the other. Example: Everyone on the beach likes icecream. They also like frenzies and popsicles. [This shows that everyone on the beach likes lots of cold snacks.] Thus, we should open an icecream store on the beach.

If we cut the icecream store part from this argument, the statement about cold snacks would be the MC. But because it offers support for a final statement, that statement becomes the main conclusion.

Support: Something in the argument that makes something else stronger. This is really broad, and can have a ton of applications. Essentially, everything in an argument exempt the main conclusion is a support for something else. Generalizations, analogies, examples, principals, and premises are all supporting portions of an argument. When you encounter the word support in an answer choice, you need to focus on the direction of the support. Is it actually supporting the thing the answer claims it is? Dont worry about support indicating a specific type of statement. Dont be like, "This isnt really a support, it's a principal". Everything except the MC and possibly redundant statements or context is support of some kind. Focus on the direction.

Principle: is ‘a fundamental idea or general rule that is used as a basis for a particular theory or system of belief’. On role of statement questiond, principles are often offered without further support in an argument. They are a claim about the way things should be, perhaps based on the basis that their truth is self evident. The can also be argued for, or be a conclusion. Example: We should not hold punish John for getting someone badly injured while speeding down the highway, because he was doing so to save three people who were badly injured who he was driving to the hospital. Doing so saved their lives and saved their families from massive grief, and of course, [One should always act in a way which maxamixes net happiness].

Many of these catagorise subsume or overlap with others. When approaching the answer choices, I find it reduces stress to remind myself of this. A statement could be a sub-conlusion, a principal, and support. I made this list mostly for myself but figured I'd post on here. Hopefully others found it helpful, if anyone has any criticisms / input please let me know.

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