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Thursday, Apr 30 2015

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Second LSAT

So I'm about to register for the June LSAT (still not full in my area) and I would like some advice. I wrote the test last June and am planning on writing this June, making this my second attempt. My goal isn't just to get a "good enough score" and move on. As a result, I plan on writing in June and expecting a low 160, then writing again in October to get a 170+. As you may have already anticipated, here is the issue: October will be my last attempt and I won't be able to write again until June 2016.

So, should I not write in June (and not risk doing poorly) and write in October, giving me the option of December? Or should I write in June, risk doing poorly, then write in October?

And for context, I am only applying to Canadian schools with November application deadlines, so I understand that a December write will mean a month of possibly not being accepted, although I highly doubt that will matter as I will indicate on the application that I will write on that date and thus have it held for that relatively short time period.

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Wednesday, Sep 30 2015

Some question types are more foundational than others. One thing that you have to do with probably 90% of questions is identify the conclusion and have a feel for the assumption that the argument is making. So to that end, focus on main point questions and sufficient/necessary assumption questions. The other questions use that same formula.

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Wednesday, Sep 30 2015

Everyone is about to give you some amazing input, so I'll just give you one tidbit of info that I think is often overlooked by many. When you're reviewing the questions, think about how everything connects. Think about the common themes between different question types. Understand how a strengthen question can easily be a sufficient assumption question or a weaken question. Understand how a weaken question can be a flaw question. I say "understand" because I'm sure you already have gone through the curriculum to see that, but really think about it in each question you do. When you start to see the LR as all part of the same theme rather than a jumbled mess of different question types, I think it will be then that you really "tune in" to the mindset of the LSAT writers in writing these questions. Good luck

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Wednesday, Sep 30 2015

If you're already beginning to get sick, vitamin C is kind of too late. Although still take that for sure. What you need is garlic, a natural antibiotic. Onion is an antiseptic.

Anyway, I don't wanna bore you with the science, but just eat the following if it's getting worse by the day: garlic, onion, hot pepper, ginger/turmeric (a natural anti-inflammatory, which is often the cause of some of those symptoms), and sleep well and stay hydrated. Echinacea, which can be found in a herbal juice form is also an anti biotic.

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Wednesday, Sep 30 2015

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Fastest way to fill in bubbles

I know it's in the category of ridiculous questions. Now let's get to business. No one likes to waste time filling in bubbles. And for ADHD + OCD perfectionists like myself, when we read "make sure it's perfectly filled in," we make damn sure it's filled in perfectly, wasting precious seconds on the clock.

So, does anyone know how perfect it needs to be before the scantron reading machine thingy fucks it up? If I leave an imperfect stray mark outside the circle am I finished?

And, does anyone have any strategies for colouring quicker? (if you noticed the U in colour it's because us Canadians spell it the correct way lol) Do you start with the outside ring and work your way in?

And yes, I already bought those tri-conderoga pencils.

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Wednesday, Oct 28 2015

I'm a Canadian soccer player too and from one fellow player to another lol I think you should apply this cycle. Those are pretty decent stats and if you do rewrite it in December and hopefully get a 162 ish let's say, then you'd be very likely to get in I believe. Make that personal statement great

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Thursday, Nov 26 2015

As a side note, particular LSAT test difficulty is factored into the score conversion. For example, a 75 raw score might be a 159 on one test and 161 on another test. This means that it was harder to get a 75 raw score on the 161 test so they curve it that way. That's why there are slight differences between the preptests. It's not random. So if a test had a hard logic game section and all other things being equal, my presumption is that it should be favourable when it comes to converting the raw score (75) to the scaled score (161). In other words, don't worry too much about it and just keep improving your logic games score.

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Thursday, Nov 26 2015

Haven't read everything posted as I'm at work at the moment, BUT don't forget to answer the "why" part of the personal statement. Like you said, there are word/character limits, so don't waste characters on sentences like "therefore, this is why I'm the shit and you should accept me." Try to show them not tell them. Just like in a resume. You don't say "managerial skills." You say, "trained and supervised X number of employees." Let THEM decide your character without you telling them. That's more powerful. And it saves space. Good luck and I'm Canadian too so this advice is legit LOL

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Wednesday, Nov 25 2015

I had a hard time distinguishing the actual flawed reasoning here. I initially chose A because the logic matched perfectly, but changed my answer to E because E was more obviously flawed. My question is: when in doubt like this, is it best to just match the logic perfectly without worrying too much about identifying the flaw itself and just move on?

I had a hard time distinguishing the actual flawed reasoning here. I initially chose A because the logic matched perfectly, but changed my answer to E because E was more obviously flawed. My question is: when in doubt like this, is it best to just match the logic perfectly without worrying too much about identifying the flaw itself and just move on?

Here's JY's explanation: http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-69-section-1-question-14/

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Tuesday, Aug 25 2015

For the people wondering if December vs October gives better chances of admission, here's what I think. If you write in December, it'll only have been one month into applications (Nov 1st deadline) and in that time, I would think they'll mostly only send out admissions offers to people with amazing stats, like a 170+ LSAT. So if you're hovering around 160, then I don't think writing in December would hurt. Besides, if you state in your application that you are writing on a certain date and the rest of your application is decent, then they will hold on to your application until they get your LSAT score.

Oh and I'm Canadian too from southern Ontario please don't stalk me LOL

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Tuesday, Aug 25 2015

@ That's interesting thanks for the tip. I'll make sure to refer back to your aforementioned list of factors after my LSAT

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Tuesday, Aug 25 2015

What do you mean "new personal statement?" @ its not like they have your old one side by side for comparison. They don't even know you applied before. Unless you mean a new one relevant to what you're doing now. In other words, an updated personal statement

For this question type, a part of the stimulus is in the question stem verbatim.

Do you, after reading the question stem, find/identify the accompanying part in the stimulus PRIOR to reading the stimulus from start to finish?

Or do you just make a mental note of that sentence and read normally without any prior identification?

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Thursday, Sep 17 2015

Hahahaha I guess that works as well @

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Thursday, Sep 17 2015

@.hopkins Yes for sure, waking up at the same time is vitally important and even in my experience as well. Regarding that app, for anyone else reading she's talking about how blue light has a greater impact on inhibiting melatonin vs red light for instance. There are some screen protectors for your iPhone that claim to do that as well. If you have an android phone or jailbroken iPhone, you can download an app for it as well.

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Thursday, Sep 17 2015

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How to wake up (according to science)

This list is not in any particular order.

1) Get exposure to natural light. Light inhibits melatonin production. Your body has a natural circadian rhythm that is tied to the day/night cycle. So basically, at night it produces melatonin and that helps you fall asleep. Keep in mind that exposure to smartphones also inhibits melatonin production. But you've probably already noticed that lol.

2) Take a very cold shower. When your body is experiencing a cold environment, it redistributes blood from external parts to more internal (and integral) parts of your body such as your heart and brain. In other words, it gives your body a little shock and improves blood circulation.

3) Short-term vs long-term energy. In short, if you're a coffee drinker, put a healthy fat in your coffee. Coconut oil (virgin) or butter for instance. Fat is a longer term energy source so it's a good sidekick for your coffee.

4) Exercise. Did you think I was going to leave this one out? This one is more obvious. I personally don't overdo it. Just some movement not necessarily power lifting or marathon running lol. The goal is to improve circulation.

This isn't an exhaustive list. There are other things you can do and I'm sure everyone has their own daily routine anyway. Maybe there are some exercise scientists here as well. I didn't mention ingesting protein as part of your breakfast, which is also beneficial. But anyway, I wanted to share this and maybe it'll help you out.

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Tuesday, Sep 15 2015

So try this. First thing is you need some analytics. Obviously you're timing yourself. But time your passage reading and question answering separately. So say use your iPhone and hit "lap" when you're done the passage. That way you know how long you're spending reading the passage vs answering the questions. If you're only spending 2 mins reading the passage and 7 mins answering the questions, then slow down.

With regard to actually reading, just try to enjoy what you're reading. When you read a cool article or book, you can pretty easily explain it to someone right? Try to mimic that. Understand that the topics are taken from actual publications so they're of value in and of themselves.

Anywho, with regard to questions, know what they're asking you. With RC, there seems to be less concrete logic and more a sense of what the right answer is right? It's a lot of times based on tone, etc. So know which questions require more of a tonal answer vs more of a, for lack of a better word "factual" answer. Questions that ask "suggests" are common and they're very tonal as an example

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Tuesday, Sep 15 2015

LOL a day or three @ I will make an effort to do that you're right. And you'll smash that test in October as well don't worry

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Tuesday, Sep 15 2015

Okay thanks for that @.janson35 and @

I was noticing it in some MBT and SA questions with conditional language and thought there was a way to diagram always. But I see what you are both saying now. So in those types of questions, if I see since, then basically just do the following:

For example, an SA type question:

X --> T

C (this one is the since; it wouldn't connect to the other two conditionally but rather in the form here as a premise)

Then let's say the conclusion is D. Without getting overly specific I know how to do SA's but basically just find the answer choice that then connects the "since C" conditionally to the rest?

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Tuesday, Sep 15 2015

For MSS it's basically just asking: what do you know? (Based on the info above) MSS always baits you into making further assumptions that seem legitimate. But the answer is always something more basic.

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Monday, Sep 14 2015

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"Since" necessary or sufficient condition?

I know this is probably a rookie question, but I require an expert answer. So how do we diagram since? I don't recall it in the lessons. I have reasoned it myself so I'll give my input first and tell me if I'm wrong.

Since it's Raining, the soccer game is Cancelled

R --> C (if it's raining, then the game is cancelled)

It cannot be drawn as C --> R. (if the game is cancelled, how can we assume it was cancelled because of the rain? Maybe there was a terror plot or an earthquake)

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Monday, Sep 14 2015

@.bashi It's a sign you have to get it now. I'll allow you to thank me later lol

@.hopkins Honestly, I would love to take a week off, but I'm writing in Oct. Did take a day and that helped. And if I eat extra cupcakes I won't have abs sadly :( Those are crucial for sitting and writing a long test

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Sunday, Sep 13 2015

@.bashi Check out "the alchemist" by Paulo Coelho while you're at it lol. And my name is Pani, unique name I know. I probably should have included my first name in my username too. I was named after some ancient Assyrian king who was supposedly a big deal so I guess that automatically makes me cool as well lol. You have some extensive historical research to do now haha

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Sunday, Sep 13 2015

Thank you Chelsea and Matt :) (Yes, you guys are on first-name basis with me now lol). I know you both said to take some a few days off, but I'm happy to report I went to the gym to just focus elsewhere for a bit, then afterwards wrote another fresh LR section and got 20/25. BR was 21/25 :)

@ Yeah you know what I try to do that as much as I can as well. It's sort of like beating a high score in a game lol. I'm glad I'm not the only weirdo around here haha. And you're right as soon as it's done that's it, but I am trying to enjoy the process. Being overly competitive helps keep me going like I wanna beat the test

@.bashi Honestly thank you for that. I used to have a couple post-it notes taped to my desk saying "Get into university!" and that definitely worked for me (yes, we call it university in Canada lol). So I think if you are seeing those words written down everyday, you're reinforcing it in your subconscious. Like that book "think and grow rich" by napoleon hill. I And I'm writing in Oct by the way, so taking time off is kind of difficult. Worst case scenario I'll write it in December if I need to but I just need to get started on law school already. I need that yacht haha

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Saturday, Sep 12 2015

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Unfocused (discussion titles aren't my talent)

The past two days I've been doing LR and have been doing very poorly. I usually get 3--5 wrong per LR section, but yesterday I got 9 wrong... Today, I'm in the library studying and could not focus during an LR section. I just stopped myself at question 17 and now I'm sitting outside eating a cupcake lol. It's a pretty good cupcake though (chocolate with chocolate chips). No milk on hand unfortunately. Anyway, I marked the 17 questions and got 4 wrong. But I took 26 minutes to get there. I don't feel like doing this right now. And the funny thing is, I always feel like it. Even when I don't, I just say fuckit and do it anyway.

I feel pretty discouraged and yeah I've been at this for like 7 months while working. I didn't sleep well last night, although I don't feel tired right now (freezing shower plus exercise plus caffeine). The area I'm sitting in could perhaps be slightly less distracting as well. I don't know. I'm just babbling. Rambling? I never complain about anything. And I'm not complaining now, but I know my 7Sage friends always have valuable input. Someone come punch me in the face please lol.

I think the discouragement from last night plus slight sleep deprivation plus perhapsssss a tad bit of burnout has caused this but I don't know. I just wanted to write this because you are the only other people that know what I mean. There is an unstated conclusion in here somewhere. And no, I didn't edit this lol

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Thursday, Jul 09 2015

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Do you draw your game board on the second page?

Logic games are 2 pages per game now, with the first page being occupied by the game rules, etc and the first question. The second page contains the vast majority of questions per game (usually at around 6 questions). Now, before starting those questions, one has to draw the game board. But on which page? Drawing it on page 1 not only gives you ample space but would allow your diagramming to be very close to the written rules themselves, perhaps ensuring more accuracy in diagramming. Drawing it on page 2 however, allows the game board to be near the bulk of the questions with less page-flipping and eye-scanning, ensuring greater accuracy in the questions.

So on which page do you draw your game board? Personally, (and this is going to sound somewhat ridiculous) I've begun folding the first page in half vertically and drawing on page 2. This allows me to be near the written game rules and draw on page 2 at the same time. Do you think my technique is stupid? Is there a more efficient (and accurate) way to do this?

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Sunday, Sep 06 2015

I retook a preptest today (about a month old) and found that some questions I got wrong both times and for the same reasoning errors. To me, that's gold because now I know certain areas of weakness that haven't been addressed. LSAC writers got me twice. Fool me twice, how does the rest of that saying go?

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Sunday, Sep 06 2015

It's funny I'm actually the other way around. Having that time constraint gets me into focus. I assume most aren't that way. But perhaps it's the way you see it? I consider the time constraint as a "okay now it's for real lets go." So easily distracted without timing.

When you focus on the time too much, you devote mental energy to it and not doing the actual questions. So a remedy that works for me is to check the time less. Care less about it. How ironic right? Doing that allows you to really get into and absorb the wording of each question, provided you've had enough practice where you have already developed a rhythm and internal clock. I don't recommend this advice to someone just starting out. So what I do now is check it at specific intervals and at no other time. So for LR let's say, at question 10 and 20 and that's it.

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Monday, Jul 06 2015

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Re-reading Game Rules

I read an article on LSAT HACKS making the case to re-read the rules 4 times as per the below guidelines:

1] To understand the game.

2] To draw.

3] To check for mistakes and look for deductions.

4] To eliminate answers on the first question. (if it’s an “acceptable order” question)

Just curious what everyone here thinks of this advice? This isn't JY's method of course (and I definitely prefer JY's method) but I'm curious as to the merit behind the concept of rereading. I personally read through and diagram at the same time, and I don't check for errors (I also don't edit my essays because I like to live life on the edge LOL) but seriously what are your thoughts on rereading rules? Do you do it? Why or why not?

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Thursday, Nov 05 2015

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

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Friday, Dec 04 2015

For LR I do every page as well. But for games or passages I bubble in at the end of the game/passage.

If you do happen to missbubble (say by rushing and either not colouring within the lines or not fully filling it in) you can tell them to mark it by hand right?

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Thursday, Dec 03 2015

Stimulus says: Boss shouldn't tell them what to do. They should just decide themselves.

D is too extreme. It says the employees doing the work know best what decisions to make. But do they? How do we know? All we know is that one of the best ways to get your employees to do a good job is to relinquish that decision-making power to them.

And that's exactly what C says. Sometimes, your effectiveness (as a boss who's aim is to get the most out of your employees) is enhanced when you give up some of your power to your employees.

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Wednesday, Dec 02 2015

It says FAKE in bold at the top of the page. No I'm kidding lol but don't worry about that. It's not "fake" at all. This is just the section where they experiment with new questions to use on new LSATs. So how different could it possibly be? Just do your best on every section and make that your only focus you'll be fine

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Thursday, Oct 01 2015

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OLSAS (Canadian Law Schools)

For those people applying to schools in Ontario, Canada (such as University of Toronto) for this November, we need to apply through OLSAS. There are a lot of different things on there and some items might require clarification. Since I think a decent number of us are applying in Ontario, I think it's a good idea that we all ask each other in this thread (perhaps make it a sticky thread). Any random question. Try to make an effort to find out first, then ask here. I'm sure some people have already called OLSAS for things of this nature. Hopefully you all agree this is a good idea. I know I wouldn't mind just being able to ask here rather than having to call if I need clarification.

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