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shannontroncoso517
Sunday, Jun 30 2019

I finally received word from LSAC that my testing accommodations were approved. I wanted to post just in case someone else was waiting for a response. Gotta love them approving two weeks from the scheduled test date. :-)

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shannontroncoso517
Saturday, Jun 29 2019

@, I am 46 now and if I don't get a handle on the test I may be 50 before I start. Glad to know I am not alone trying to slay the LSAT.

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shannontroncoso517
Wednesday, Jun 26 2019

@, what was the answer? If I am granted accommodations I plan to retake in September.

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shannontroncoso517
Wednesday, Jun 26 2019

Following. I was told from the admissions counselor, during last week's tour, not to cancel a 150; however, I know that would not put me in the running for any scholarships. One saving grace is that I have a high GPA. I graduated HS in 1990 (yikes) and am satisfied with my school of choice which ranks #98-100. I am working hard at LGs because that is an area I have totally bombed. The balance is working on them too much at the exclusion of staying as sharp as I can be in other areas.

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Tuesday, Jun 25 2019

shannontroncoso517

To take or not to take

I am currently scheduled to sit for the July 2019 test. Given the unique circumstance of being able to cancel score with a free retake I have planned to take it; although, I am not scoring where I would like. However, I am wondering if scoring low will be a confidence setback and if I should cancel and schedule for the September test. Conversely, should I continue with the plan of sitting for the July test, possibly get the digital format which would give me a practice run at digital format?

Currently, I am taking a summer class concurrently with LSAT studying and will start fall classes the end of August. I mention that because it would give me additional time where I am primarily able to focus on LSAT studying. I would appreciate any general advice. Additionally for those of you who sat for the test more than once, how did you maintain your confidence approaching your second take? Was it a matter of the increased understanding you gained in the time from the first to second test?

Adding to the stress is that LSAC has yet to approve my accommodations request; therefore, I have not done a 35 minute timed section or overall PT with the time constraints.

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shannontroncoso517
Tuesday, Jun 25 2019

Mine are still pending, too. I am getting very nervous/frustrated because I am set to take the test on July 15.

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Wednesday, Jul 24 2019

shannontroncoso517

Transcripts to LSAC

I have 7 more classess before I complete undergrad. Do you think it's okay to submit an official transcript to LSAC now or should I wait? Thank you for your assistance.

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Friday, May 24 2019

shannontroncoso517

Help Needed

Hello all:

I just want to thank all of you in advance for your support. I have read a lot of the postings and am very impressed with how supportive everyone is/has been to one another.

Here is my predicament, I am 46 years old and don't really feel as though I have time on my side. I did not research enough about how hard the LSAT is and went in blindly (with the influece of a highly marketed test prep coming K---an) and began my studies at the three month mark. I am scheduled for the July test and would postpone but with the option of retaking for free, I feel as though it would be a waste of money to pay a rescheduling fee. I am a single mom and on a limited income, not working and focusing on my undergrad. I am blessed to have an ex-husband who supports me via alimony and child support and also supports my efforts towards realizing my dream of going to law school.

My diagnositc was a 141 and since then I have gotten to -5 on the RC (thankfully it hasn't been something I struggle with), but haven't focused enough to see gains in other areas. To be honest, I probably overthink the answers, which causes me to get them wrong. To add to matters, I have the LSAT Trainer, The Loophole by Ellen Casidy and the Powerscore Bible on Logic Games. I've started a little of the core curriculum and have completed about 15 hours. On any given day I randomly pick up one of the books and try to understand rather than focusing on one source. If all of that seems disjointed, it is because I am ADHD and am all over the place with what I read and do because I cannot focus. I plan to apply for accommodations and am waiting on the psychologist report to add to the other supporting documents from my university.

My undergrad GPA currently is a 3.85; however, that is not what has been calculated by LSAC. I am fortunate that my school gives A+ as a grade so that may help me keep a strong GPA. I guess my point and reason for reaching out is what advice would you give to someone like me with the test quickly approaching? The process is stressing me so that I constanty feel on the verge of tears but will not give up.

Thanks for any and all viewpoints you can share to make my path a little easier.

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shannontroncoso517
Sunday, Jun 23 2019

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If I bomb this process, I'll be your paralegal. When I was a paralegal, the attorney said I was like Radar from MASH- I was always one step ahead of him.

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shannontroncoso517
Sunday, Jun 23 2019

I will be 47 and it is great to see I am not alone.

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shannontroncoso517
Friday, Jun 21 2019

Great advice @! It was something I needed to read today.

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shannontroncoso517
Friday, Jun 21 2019

I am in very similar situation. I am a non-traditional student who many might say it too old (47) to go to law school, but I refuse to give up on my dreams. I worked as a flight attendant for 15 years had children and have been working on my undergraduate degree as long as you have been out of high school. All of this is to say don't lose heart just keep forging ahead.

Today I went on the tour/informational session for the only school I plan to attend (Indiana University McKinney) and had a moment to speak to the admission's counselor. While this may not be true of every school, when I told her my uGPA (3.67) and where I was hitting for PT's. Her advice was not to cancel a score of 150. (If I could get my head around LG I would would feel more secure in the outcome).

I naively bought into a highly marketed test prep company that made it seem that 3 months was enough time to study for the LSAT. I should have done more research, but thankfully for you and I we have found 7Sage, which I think will make an immeasurable difference.

For many, accepting anything in the 150's might be horrific, but like yourself I am not trying to get into a T-14 school. If you cancel your score, remember there is a November test and you can apply the one time LSAC "freebie" towards a retake. I think with roll out of the digital test and cancellation policy there will be many that exercise that option.

I know this is very long winded, but hopefully it's of slight comfort that you are not alone. Studying for the LSAT can be such an isolating experience in my opinioin and this discussion board has helped me immensely.

In closing, I know from experience the tenacity it takes to keep going when you could give up. Be proud of yourself for staying the course. This test is not life or death and thankfully it can be repeated. Best of luck to you.

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shannontroncoso517
Friday, Jun 21 2019

Great podcast. I am curious how well Gladwell did on the test.

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shannontroncoso517
Friday, Jun 14 2019

Great post! I have had this happen to me on several instances and wondered why. @, thank you for the supplement reccomendations.

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shannontroncoso517
Tuesday, Apr 13 2021

@ said:

Just finished my test and I don’t feel the best about it. It sucks because I feel like I was adequately prepared as I have been prepping for months and never had any of these issues with any pt... or even the first real LSAT i took... but this test just seemed EXXXXTRA hard! Mine went LR, RC, LG. LG is my best section (i usually go -4 or less for the entire LG section on a bad day) games 1 and 2 were fine, basic games, games 3 and 4 were unreal (engineering and grants). I had no idea how to set up either game and guessed basically majority of the questions for game 3 and game 4.

LR seemed a bit more difficult than normal and I noticed a lot of new wording/phrases that weren’t typically seen on practice tests in question stems and answer choices. It wasn’t that bad but there were more disagreement/point at issue questions which was weird.

RC is usually my worst section and i’m fine with it because the other two sections I usually rock...but this test has me a little worried. RC seemed easier than the other two sections in total. I had the cyclist, Jazz, volcano, and compare/contrast something about intellectual property(skipped).

Anyone else tested before or feels the same way? I just feel like this test was extremely difficult compared to other tests i’ve taken and any practice test i’ve seen. Really discouraging. 😢 I know I didn’t perform well but I hope I didn’t do as terrible as i’m feeling rn. Maybe there will be a generous curve but i’m doubtful it can be that generous.

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Just finished my test and I don’t feel the best about it. It sucks because I feel like I was adequately prepared as I have been prepping for months and never had any of these issues with any pt... or even the first real LSAT i took... but this test just seemed EXXXXTRA hard! Mine went LR, RC, LG. LG is my best section (i usually go -4 or less for the entire LG section on a bad day) games 1 and 2 were fine, basic games, games 3 and 4 were unreal (engineering and grants). I had no idea how to set up either game and guessed basically majority of the questions for game 3 and game 4.

LR seemed a bit more difficult than normal and I noticed a lot of new wording/phrases that weren’t typically seen on practice tests in question stems and answer choices. It wasn’t that bad but there were more disagreement/point at issue questions which was weird.

RC is usually my worst section and i’m fine with it because the other two sections I usually rock...but this test has me a little worried. RC seemed easier than the other two sections in total. I had the cyclist, Jazz, volcano, and compare/contrast something about intellectual property(skipped).

Anyone else tested before or feels the same way? I just feel like this test was extremely difficult compared to other tests i’ve taken and any practice test i’ve seen. Really discouraging. 😢 I know I didn’t perform well but I hope I didn’t do as terrible as i’m feeling rn. Maybe there will be a generous curve but i’m doubtful it can be that generous.

I finished six hours ago and have felt worse as the day has progressed. Like, I literally only remember a few question types and hope I didn’t blindly breeze through the whole test.

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shannontroncoso517
Tuesday, Apr 13 2021

RC LG LR

I have no idea how it will turn out but will be pondering over ASL, birds, Mexican murals and water scarcity for awhile. Guess there’s always June.

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shannontroncoso517
Saturday, Aug 10 2019

LSAC has moved my test center for both the September and November exams to a location 2.5 hours from my home. In order to get a location that is remotely reasonable I moved my test date from September to October. I just met someone who is still ablet to test in September in the same city. LSAC has moved it from the law school to a hotel and labeled it with a different test center number. I am not sure what is going on, but it is very frustrating. Even more so because there is nothing we can do about it.

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shannontroncoso517
Monday, Nov 09 2020

Thank you for the nugget of wisdom that the difference is only 2-4 questions. It puts into perspective how small gains can have an overall impact. Perhaps elementary for some but personally it what I needed.

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Saturday, Jun 08 2019

shannontroncoso517

Accommodations

I emailed documents to LSAC requesting accommodations on May 28th but when I review my LSAC it says still reviewing and a decision has not been made. For anyone that has applied for accommodations what was your experience? I am anxious because I am writing the July exam. Input is greatly appreciated.

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shannontroncoso517
Friday, Jul 05 2019

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News flash. Public defenders represent indigent individuals which equals little to no job. You're so well-versed in how the court systems runs that being an attorney will be a piece of cake for you. However, you might want to temper your god complex when you go before the bench. Silly me. You are so enlighted that recent trends suggest upon passing the bar you will perform as the Judge and Jury. Not to mention, in your altered version of life prosecutors get to be the State Disciplinary Board of Attorneys. My prediction is partners will be falling all over themselves to get direction from the new associate. Narcissistic much?

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You are so right.

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Faith is seeing light with your heart when all your eyes see is blindness. May your Jedi force be with you on test day and always keep the faith.

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shannontroncoso517
Thursday, Jul 04 2019

@ & @ , Thank you! Although I try hard, I am a speed demon and Ohio is notorious for their one-two punch of troopers on the ground and helicopters in the air catching would-be speeders. (Listing all of my speeding infractions for the C&F will be a real challenge).

I appreciate everyone's assistance :-)

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shannontroncoso517
Thursday, Jul 04 2019

@ , where do I find the podcasts?

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Thursday, Jul 04 2019

shannontroncoso517

Traveling with 7Sage - Odd Question

I have to drive to Cleveland this weekend (4hours each way) and wondered if anyone has successfully taken their LSAT studies mobile so to speak. I've listened to an LSAT related podcast but after an hour I feel like I've gained little information other than hear the two guys speak. I'll be driving so I can't work logic games as I go, but would be open to suggestions on how I can gain information rather than just passively sitting.

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shannontroncoso517
Thursday, Jul 04 2019

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Really, no harm. I wasn't aware of LSAT accommodations until the disabiliity coordinator at my university made me aware and helped me begin the process. The fact that the system is being scammed is frustrating to me as well. I apologize if my comment was harsh, it was more directed at the initial post and how sophomoric the poll was.

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Here's a simple "accommodation" attorneys use with a varied amount of frequency it's called

"Motion for Continuance". Law schools and state bar exams both have disability accommodations for those that qualify.

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Great advice. Guilty but will rehabilitate by no longer feeding the troll.

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shannontroncoso517
Wednesday, Jul 03 2019

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Given your user name, I would be inclined to think you know a thing or two about things that alter the mind. However, in making that presumption I would be following your lead and faulty thought process that everyone who gets accommodations spend thousands of dollars to effecuate a doctor breaking his hypocratic oath. (Your wording was pronounce, do docter's really pronounce or diagnosis?) I do not claim to be smarter than anyone else nor does it appear responders have either. To be quite frank your response laden with french interjections and pretentious verbage is the only example I have seen on 7Sage of someone trying to demean and belittle others. This has in my experience been a very warm, welcoming and considerate community.

You make a lot of sweeping statements that gives rise to the question of who not only thinks they are smarter than everyone else but are also morally superior? Are you the second coming of Christ and redeemer who gets to judge our moral fortitude and the guiding principle we use to operate our life? I am not sure what world you live in and by virtue of your experiences would suggest that a witness can be "bought". This is the real world and to insinuate such a scenario is to insult all working attorneys who we hope to join in the pursuit of law. I worked in the legal profession and I can attest to the fact that the attorneys to which I reported would never sacrifice being disbarred for the sake of winning a case.

This is not about entitlement, asking someone to sacrifice their "fair chances" to compensate for anyone's inadequacies. Reflecting on your statement reminds me of what could have been a bad chapter in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. Since we are sharing web pages versus case law please take a moment to review: http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/collectivism.html

In closing, I looked at the website you referenced and it clearly states the necessity of medical and (childhood) development history, as well as school records dating from grammar school through high school. Goodness. Kudos to me for have forethought in grammar school to feign a disability so that one day I could get extra time on the LSAT.

Your post encompasses logical reasoning errors from A-Z and an incoherent reading comprehension passage to boot. Hey, we're all just minions just trying to stay afloat in your pond of intellectual superiority. As such, I shall return to my world of incompetency, moral deprivation and principle deficient life. I am just a single mother that will feel achieved if I can EARN a 156 and ultimately do child advocacy work. Hopefully on this path you find passion and someone lesser than yourself that you feel compelled to fight for.

I hope moderators shut this post down and the originator of this post has learned proper decorum when using a public forum.

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shannontroncoso517
Wednesday, Jul 03 2019

As someone who is receiving accommodations for the LSAT and has for tests in undergrad, I will not try to take offense at your question and accompanying poll. What I would first say is that you should walk a mile in someone's shoes who struggles in ways you cannot understand. If in fact you have mentally and intellectually struggled then perhaps you should seek out accommodations for yourself. The vast majority of us have struggled not just in preparation for the LSAT but also throughout the entirety of our education and have well-documented evidence encompasses an enormous time span. This is not the college admission scandal where wealthy parents are paying astronomical amounts of money to have their child admitted. You, as someone who is taking the LSAT in hopes of becoming an attorney, a cornerstone of our legal system should always hold the presumption of innocence.

Personally, I provided over 20 pages of documentation in order to be approved and find the assertion or rather presumption that LSAC approves applicants out of litigation avoidance is appalling. You have no idea what it is like to be pulled away from your classmates to be tested alone because it is not just a sufficient but necessary condition for your success, or being made fun of by your classmates for being different. Would you ask a man in a wheelchair riding on the bus to get up so you could have his seat?

LSAC clearly defines what is necessary in order to be approved for accommodations and I would encourage you to read and then discern whether the grounds are "ambiguous". Further, familiarize yourself about what constitutes a disability and thank your lucky stars it is not something you are afflicted with. Lastly, look up HIPAA laws and why they were designed to protect an individuals health information. Having a disability is a health issue and I suppose as someone who gets additional time we are to surrounder another legal right because it is upsetting or "unfair".

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shannontroncoso517
Tuesday, Jul 02 2019

Just a thought, why was Gladwell's score redacted?

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shannontroncoso517
Tuesday, Jul 02 2019

Just to give you perspective, I am 46. Erase loser from your thoughts, you deserve to be treated the best by everyone but especially yourself. Keep pushing forward.

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shannontroncoso517
Tuesday, Jul 02 2019

@, I agree with you but it is probably because I do not get logic games. I did read that when law students read cases they use an acronym IRAQ (Issue, Rule, Analysis & Conclusion). Bearing that in mind I can see how LG are applicable to future law school success.

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Tuesday, Jul 02 2019

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