I am just getting to the logic games part of the course with 7sage. However I did already complete the Logic Games Bible from Powerscore. I was wondering other people's thoughts on which service has the best (defined in whichever way you want.. quickest.. clearest.. etc) logic games diagramming method. Do you guys pick one or the other? Do you use a hybrid of the two depending on each game? Do you find yourself getting confused between the two? I'd be interested to hear different perspectives on this.
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@ does that Casio watch have any ticking sound? I have a watch that I bought but it kind of ticks loudly and is distracting so I am looking for a cheapish watch that doesn't have a ticking sound. Thanks.
I thought I had downloaded all the problem sets PDFs in April. Now it is showing that there are more. I have the "premium" package. For instance in the Flaw Questions Problem Set, I only have Problem Set 1 and 2 downloaded, but it shows there are 9 problem sets. Is there a way I can access the other 7? If they had been available in April I would have downloaded them... Thanks.
Thanks @ for the tips I'll try them. Any others who can weigh in on improving the LR? What strategies should I use when using the Cambridge drill packets? I'm unsure if I should be trying to do Cambridge packets timed or untimed. Thanks!
Hi all,
This is similar to a post below so apologies if it's just askig for redundant advice. I did read that thread but thought I might post my own question with my own score range.
Basically I feel I have plateaued in the mid 160s. The last 6 PTs I have taken I have gotten in the 160-163 range, this includes PT 73 and 74. PT 74 I got 177 with BR which I was quite shocked/happy about. PT 73 I got 173 BR.
Previous to taking PT 73 and 74, I bought LSAT trainer and have been using it and Cambridge packets to drill on my weak points -- namely LR Flaw, Weaken, Strengthen and MSS questions.
I have noticed a marked improvement in untimed Flaw Qs which is great! I can finally identify the Flaw which I was really struggling with. On my last few timed PTs I got only 1-2 flaw questions wrong.
My LG still suffers, usually getting 1-2 wrong per timed section. PT 74 I totally bombed the last two LGs so will foolproof that one.
My RC is quite good - 0 wrong in BR and 2-3 wrong in timed conditions.
So all this boils down to... How can I get my Timed score to halfway meet my BR score?! My goal is 170.
Perhaps it is not possible with just a few weeks left in the game. I am open to the possibility of taking Feb test. However I would like to do everything possible to get my timed score as high as I can in the next few weeks bc I am registered for December and will sit for the Dec test regardless.
Any advice or thoughts is greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Thank you for leaving the option of the old problem sets. Makes it simpler for those of us who did get the opportunity to download the PDFs before LSAC made everyone take them down.
Thank you everyone for your advice!!
Hey I have a question for those consistently scoring 170 or above. During a timed test, do you actually read and eliminate all 4 answer choices (AC) before moving on? Do you think it's a better use of your time to just choose the AC that seems right and quickly move forward (and not 100% read and consciously eliminate all the other AC's before moving on)? As I am getting better, sometimes the right AC just pops out at me, or it very closely matches my prephrase, so I have a strong feeling it is right. I am still struggling with timing (If I could have 38 min, I'd do so much better!), so those last few minutes really count for me.
I think this is a convergence of timing and confidence issues for me. If I felt very confident in an AC, I could move on quickly and use that time I would have spent eliminating wrong AC's on a harder question. But I have read over and over that the highest scorers always find a reason to eliminate 3-4 AC's before choosing their correct AC and moving on to the next question.
One concern I have with the approach of sticking to what pops out at me, is that a highly attractive trap answer might 'pop out' at me, and then I have confirmation bias when trying to quickly skim and eliminate other ACs.
Any insights or tips from the high scorers (170+) on how you approach timing and confidently choosing an AC would be appreciated! I feel more confident choosing an AC in LG and moving on without eliminating the other 4 choices, more than I do doing that in LR or RC.
How do you approach watching the playback of the video? I can't imagine that you are spending 2.5 hours just watching yourself take the test, on top of the BR, and the review of the test after BR. Do you specifically skip to areas of the video on questions you struggled with, or questions you marked (I use a star) that you spent a lot of time on?
Any insights or strategies on how you are actually reviewing the video is helpful! I work full time so I have to be smart about how I use my time to study and review.
Thanks for your thoughts @ and @. I have also been considering postponing til December (though I already paid for my seat at the October test) but am concerned it could potentially affect any scholarship chances. I have read that the earlier in the cycle you apply, the better for schollys. I am aiming at potentially getting scholarships at Tier 2 schools.. if I was able to hit 170 I would be a so-called splitter as my undergrad GPA (from a well respected undergrad that is known for not having grade inflation) is 3.3.
My job isn't particularly stressful and isn't causing burnout on its own, the office is a better space productivity wise for me than my own home. I do study on weekends, usually from about 3-8pm on Sat and Sun. I guess I actually study closer to 15+ hours per week, as I can usually get about 10 on the weekends and 5 hours during the week. It just doesn't seem reflected in my 7sage 'progress' because I go a lot slower than the curriculum estimates.
Honestly the reason I have been losing motivation is because I have been having a lot of discussions with lawyers at my firm (I'm a mid-level paralegal), and pretty much all of them have encouraged me to explore other options first. And these are lawyers who are in a successful high-paying job that is actually less stressful and less hours than most corporate gigs -- it's a boutique finance firm. They are not saying this in a way like they don't think I can go to law school and be a successful lawyer. They are saying this in a way that has a hint of 'you will be happier if you don't become a lawyer'. I have thought about this a lot - I have been out of undergrad for 5 years now and had plenty of time to ruminate on whether I wanted to be a lawyer.
I thought I had figured it out -- yes, yes I do want to be a lawyer and set my mind to the task. Now after having lunch with quite a few different lawyers and picking their brains, I am having second thoughts (again)! Agh! I've decided I simply will not go to law school at sticker price -- it's not worth it to me as much as I love the idea of being a lawyer and working with the law day in and day out, it's not worth being $100k+ in debt heading into my 30's. Some associates at my firm have told me they pay almost $2000/month in loans and will be for the next 10 years.. and these are lawyers that many people would say are 'living the dream' because they have $200k+ salaries and 60ish hour work weeks and can take vacations and stuff. It would be a completely different story for me if law school in the US was actually semi-affordable like it is in some other countries.
So I've told myself go ahead and study hard for the LSAT, do the applications, and see where the chips fall in the spring to see if law school is the right path for me. Anyway I think I do agree that it's better to take the LSAT when I'm ready - not necessarily self-impose an artificial deadline of October. Am just really concerned it would affect potential scholarships... any thoughts on that? Perhaps all of this is just stress and hand wringing... I do appreciate other 7sagers input!
So I've been studying for the LSAT since about February, only really studying in earnest since April. I have the premium course but I am still only 80% done on the core curriculum! I really hoped I could get through the core curriculum by the end of June but have been experiencing waning motivation these last few weeks and haven't been hitting the books as hard. I work full time, try to work out 3-5x a week, cook for myself, all that general life stuff gets in the way. I aim to study about 15-20 hours a week, in reality it's 15 in a good week and more like 10 hours per week on average. I'm also struggling because sometimes it says it'll only take 20 minutes for a logic problem set but it takes me 2+ hours to drill and review that one set 10x like JY says we need to!
I know this topic has been covered a little but but just wanted to hear others weigh in on what works for them. I absolutely cannot wake up earlier for the life of me, so I have been trying to stay late at my office after 5pm and study from 5-9 where there's no distractions. So I get home at 10. That seems to work except it leaves me feeling absolutely exhausted and very burnt out by Friday, and I usually have to get take out or something for dinner those nights. I've also been fairly successful at working out during my lunch break which has helped with the time management somewhat.
Also with just these last three months before October, can anyone suggest what I should really be focusing on? Would you suggest I just try to fast track through these last 20% of the core curriculum and start PTing as soon as possible? I've worked out I could probably do 2 PT's per week during the summer. I've also taken a few days off work here and there on Fridays to try to get more 3 day weekends this summer to allow for studying. I am aiming for a 170, my diagnostic was a 153... Any tips at all is helpful.. or perhaps some commiseration! Lol! Good luck everyone!
Thanks for the tips! I'll just feel it out, 7sage diagramming does seem to be a lot quicker
Thank you @.hopkins I think I just need to keep reminding myself of this. I started studying in March 2015, told myself I'd take the October test, postponed it to take December, now I'm not feeling ready for me to achieve my high score, so perhaps February 2016 will be a better time to test for me. I have been working full time this entire time so I don't usually get more than 15 hours of 'good' studying in per week.
One thing that is kind of hard for me is I feel like I personally am fine taking the time I need to achieve my high score but it sometimes feels like my boyfriend and friends are like tired of me studying all the time. My boyfriend is supportive but I could tell he was a little disappointed when I said I would probably keep studying til February. I don't know why but it makes me feel guilty that I haven't been able to spend a lot of time with him and also my friends this past year!
Anyway I went back and read the 7sage top 3 mistakes and this is a good reminder to me, hopefully it helps others also who just want to be 'done' this December but are wondering if they should keep studying for 2016 tests:
"But that's not important, is it? The important thing is that you plan to spend way more than 3 months training. A year is reasonable. Look at it rationally. Which is weighed more heavily in law school admissions, GPA or LSAT? LSAT. Duh! Yet, you spend 4 years on your GPA but, what, only 3 months on the LSAT? How the hell does that make any sense? Do you even know how important the LSAT is? It makes or breaks your application. End of story. If I'm telling you that you need to spend a year, only a year, to realize your maximum potential on the LSAT, you should be thinking this is a fucking bargain. Because it is. You're getting a great deal. And I haven't even counted the tens of thousands of dollars in scholarships."