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Saturday, Oct 19 2019

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Conditional Logic on PMR/SA questions

So some of my top missed categories on PTs have been NA/SA/PMR, not because I think they are particularly difficult but sometimes I'm just missing the argument at hand or not properly seeing how the arguments are drawn in my head. A lot of the time when I see parallel flaw at the end of the test especially, my mind just says skip because there's just so much information to read. But, I know that if you parse the logic of the stimulus correctly, it's way easier to spot an AC that correctly fits. On Thinking LSAT, they mentioned looking at the conclusion of the stimulus and seeing if that accurately matches the AC, but I still can't read everything properly because some of the ideas can become too convoluted.

I'm wondering how y'all approach these questions in a formulaic way, do you spend time writing out the argument in lawgic format, or is there a better approach?

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Wednesday, Oct 16 2019

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If you can go to the office hours conference with Sami, she's walked with students through so many things and so has Josh. I think they're both taking the time for office hours soon. They're very devoted to helping students and have worked on these types of things before with other students.

What's the best way to stay in the loop in regard to these office hours? Do they just get posted to that one thread Sami has open?

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Wednesday, Oct 16 2019

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I also had a similar experience. I was PTing 164-167, and it was a shock to see a 155 yesterday. Not only did LG get me, so did RC which I did not see coming. I am going to make sure I get LG to my fullest potential since that's my strength, and try to find consistency with RC. Its tough with the test so close. Good luck with everything!

Which tests do you practice with? I hear a lot of people say the newer tests are more difficult but I can't tell how you really measure that or if it's true

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Tuesday, Oct 15 2019

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I had the exact same thing happen to me on the July LSAT of this year. I was PT'ing in the 151-153 range and I ended up getting a 143. Not only was it almost 10 points below my average, but it was actually WORSE than when I took the LSAT in Nov of 2018 before I started studying using 7Sage. Needless to say I was extremely confused, because like you, I felt energized, alert, and not terribly anxious. I felt deflated when I saw my score and wanted to give up. But I kept going. Less than two months later I took the Sept LSAT and just found out I got a 157. I was shocked because I had one hour of sleep max, was anxiety-ridden, and had the notorious LG section that completely screwed my morale up for the rest of the exam.

I guess my point is not to take your score as a reflection of your ability. If you are PT'ing in 153-157 range, then it is in your ability to get that score for the October LSAT, even if it is only a couple weeks away. There are many factors that can affect our test scores without us even being consciously aware of them. Do practice tests like usual, but also focus on improving your mindset and not forgetting to take care of yourself. That is what I did between the July and September tests. Also don't overload yourself with PT's, I find my score improves the most when I give myself a mental break. Don't picture yourself getting a bad score in October. Picture the ideal end result, stay positive and good things will happen! Good luck!

Thanks for the advice! It's nice to hear other people who have similar experiences, it's more disturbing psychologically seeing that low of a score honestly, I am not put down by it at all. I'm definitely taking a break from the PTs because drilling lately has gone so much better for LG and LR, and honestly I think both tests show my lack of experience with the material (not that I didn't study a lot, but I just indulged so much in BR that I neglected the drilling aspect)

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Tuesday, Oct 15 2019

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I did decent on the LG, but totally bombed the reading comprehension and one section of logical reasoning. Can't believe it...

But lets stay positive looking towards November!

Legit same situation, people talking about dying on LG mountain but I hit my average on it and I suck at LG, meanwhile I went like -8 OVER my average on RC. Totally stunted me, didn't even think the passages were that rough.

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Tuesday, Oct 15 2019

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Reacting to an abnormal test score

Hey all, so I saw my score very early this morning expecting to be somewhere near the median of where I was PTing (which was around the 153-157 range), and I ended up getting a 149. Obviously, this isn't seriously lower as I make it out to be, but it's confusing to me and i'm more shocked than angry or upset. I felt very confident during this test, and I had a ridiculous amount of energy even up to the end, so I can't blame test fatigue or zoning out. I ended up having a terribly bad RC and LR #2, both dipping in double digit incorrect, which is not even remotely close to where I falter on PTs.

So I know the obvious answer is just move on, and I want to move on, but I also want to improve as much as I can in the short time I have until the October LSAT. I've seen a ton of improvement in LR, LG, and i've peaked at around -6/-7 for RC. I don't feel like I would see major gains in RC so I don't feel like it's worth re-investing into it this late, and I genuinely don't think i'm that bad at it, so i'm just super confused if I should take this test's result into consideration for where I need to patch my wounds. My current study plan has tons of LG foolproofing because I think I can definitely get a really great score on LG realistically. I think I have stagnated for a long time on LR and RC with zero to minimal gains for a few weeks, but I can't neglect 75% of the test obviously.

So yeah, any advice is heavily appreciated. I know i'm likely overthinking everything but I'd hate to have another nightmare scenario happen and be forced to either apply with a low score or apply late (or just delay everything)

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Wednesday, Sep 11 2019

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Counterbalancing Confidence Errors

This is a question mostly geared towards Blind Review

So my highest PT is a 155 and my highest Blind Review is a 165. I almost always fix a ton of my issues on LG because I think it's the simplest to improve. Nevertheless, I don't seem to really improve a lot on other sections. I've improved a lot on LR on my LSAT journey, but RC has been probably the toughest challenge. I think it's a mix of me not circling questions for blind review, and then if I circle a lot of questions I think to myself "well this logic is just fine, keep the answer".

There's obviously many factors in considering what kind of LR/RC question it is, but more often than not I just can't seem to contradict my logic either in the moment when i'm taking the test or when i'm looking at review. What would be a good method for counterbalancing complete confidence in something vs being overtly suspicious that the answer is wrong? I know from the CC one way of figuring out if NA questions are suspect is by negating them and seeing if it wrecks the argument, do similar methods exist for other frequent LR/RC questions?

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Monday, Jun 10 2019

Interested as well, please let me know if we can still join

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Sunday, Jun 09 2019

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I think it is worth blind reviewing them, and I will tell you why. Those questions you end up leaving up to chance by guessing, they aren't guaranteed to be that exact same type that you leave on the table, come test day. They could end up being questions of the same logical structure or weird abstract wording that you encounter towards the middle of a section on a new test. So, in short, my answer is definitely focus on the questions you did encounter, that way you can gauge your thought processes under timed conditions, etc, and come up with test taking strategies that work best for you. However, you should still have the logic of the unattempted questions down too. The more familiar you get with as many of these questions as possible, the more likely your chances of recognizing a support structure or mechanism for a specific question type... it could result in speeding you up and maybe getting you more answered questions under your belt in the process down the line as well. Look, BR SUCKS. I actually enjoy taking timed tests, trying to get a new personal best, etc. BR takes a while, and it's tedious, but as a former skeptic and lazy student, I can attest to the tremendous benefits in speed that BR has granted me.

Very fair, I think I got really discouraged the first few times I was doing BR because I either circled so many questions or just guessed a lot in a single section. For some reason my time allocation is actually getting worse with more practice, possibly because i'm trying very hard nowadays to get all questions right and giving ample time to understand the stem and question language. I know it's a hurdle I will probably just have to get over for now while I continue to learn. I'll definitely try BR-ing the last PT and see how that works out.

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Sunday, Jun 09 2019

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Questions on Blind Reviewing guesses on PTs

I've been taking some PTs lately in which I fail to answer all the questions in time so I just usually guess all D's or E's. I've seen quite a lot of discussion on if this is a good thing or not to do on PTs because it might mask your real potential or make you look like you did better or worse than how you actually performed.

In my eyes, I attempt to mirror my PTs as much as I can to the real thing, and I do think if I took the LSAT tomorrow and still had time allocation issues that I would surely guess. However, I also understand the importance of Blind Review in order to really increase my potential and see where I am making mistakes and wasting time and using bad logic. That said, if i'm guessing on say 5 or 6 questions in a section on a PT, is it worth truly blind reviewing those if all I am do is solving the questions with infinite time? Would it be a better practice to ignore blind reviewing questions I purely guessed and only concentrated my BR efforts on understanding the logic better for the questions I did answer?

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