I understand logic pretty well; as i’ve already said, i’ve read through the LG bible and the LR bible. This has given me a pretty good understanding of If/then logic. Understanding such rules is never an issue. Again... i’m not a beginner at this. I understand how to diagram rules, I know how to set up games of different types... my problem is not because I lack a basic understadning; i’ve been doing his for months. I have issues trying to juggle all of the information thrown at me at once; the more variables and rules, the worse I do. Thats why, if possible, I try to set up games as complete as possible up front.

I make as many boards as I feel that I need to, because I usally end up making them on various questions anyways. It helps me go through the questions easier.

I have grown to absolutely HATE logic games with a passion. If anything keeps me out of law school, it will be this stinking section. I have a 3.8 GPA, i’m almost where I need to be with LR and RC, but this section has barely improved in 8 long months. I’ve tried powerscore’s bible, and i’ve been foolproofijg for a long while. But week after week its nothing but frustration and disapointment. I’m slow and freeze up on two many games. I can’t stand having to keep track of so much information as once. Its hard to stay optimistic when its nothing but failure week after week. Today is Wednesday, and I just completed my last game of the week... finshed in over 15 minutes and questions missed. More and more frustration.

Here’s my stradegy on a brand new game:

I know in advance what type it will be, because as I mentioned earlier, I want to perfect each type as much as possible and do them on different days

Quickly count the number of variables

slap out a basic model of the game board

go through the rules one at a time, checking to see how each interacts with the game board and what I can deduce based on the previous inferences

After going through all of them, I look for any, or any combination of rules that will allow me to set up a number of complete game boards, which is basically doing all the work up front and I can just refer back to any of the various boards for each questions. This works on MOST games. I call this process “hacking,” and I’ve noticed that the instructor here on 7sage pretty much does the same thing. So far, i’ve been doing this for 6 weeks and have come across two games that, as confirmed by the videos here on 7Sage, this stradgey would not have worked and brute forcing answers is basically required

That is indeed my goal! This whole time i’ve been aiming at getting 18-19 correct for LG at the bare minimum, which would be 3 games and maybe a lucky guess on the last game. The problem is, I can complete only 2 games in the 35 right now, and maybe 2 on the 3rd game. The timing is what I’ve always struggled with... maybe I just don’t have the IQ points for this stuff, but its always taken me a while

Accuracy is decent. At most I might miss one or two. On many I go -0.

Its been 8 months of having “faith in myself” and I haven’t gotten anywhere hardly. Going to a crappy third tier law school is not worth it. I looked into it and most (70+%) of their graduates are unemployed after 6 months and the top 75% of those that are make something like 68,000 per year. The median os 50,000. Counting the temendous amount of loans, that’s practically living on a public school teacher’s salary. I have to at least get into a second tier school if I want to fufull my dream of being a lawyer

None of this “advice” is helping. So can someone please just point me in the right direction for a LG tutor? I’m willing to fork over the money at this point

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@ Do you write down the inferences at all?

Oh yes! After diagramming the rules, I try to pop out all the inferneces I can make out. My trouble comes in with juggling all of them in my head when it comes to answering questions.

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p.s. Your hopes of law school don't have to be flushed down the toilet. Logic games are something everyone can improve on. They're lauded as "the most learnable section of the LSAT." And trust me, I'm living proof that you can improve once you start fool proofing the right way. One day, you'll turn the page to a new section and everything will feel like it has "clicked."

LG is very mechanical and step by step it's possible to figure out what's going on and to help you improve!

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p.s. Your hopes of law school don't have to be flushed down the toilet. Logic games are something everyone can improve on. They're lauded as "the most learnable section of the LSAT." And trust me, I'm living proof that you can improve once you start fool proofing the right way. One day, you'll turn the page to a new section and everything will feel like it has "clicked."

LG is very mechanical and step by step it's possible to figure out what's going on and to help you improve!

Let me list out my process for each new game (assuming this is one that I can set up properly):

Diagramm rules and list as many inferneces as possible

Go to the questions: Freeze up and not able to connect the inferences to eliminate answers. And thus end up screwing up, taking 15 minutes to answer questions and only getting a couple correct

Do the game 5 more times. Each time the inferences and the interworkings of the game become clearer and clearer. By the 6th and final time doing the game, I have usally all the inferneces down and can conplete all questions correct in under 7 minutes. Also, I never watch the explanations on this site or any others. I can figure out the game naturally, but it takes a time or two. Thats my biggest problem.

I mean, something isn't working out with this. It's good that you try to figure out how to do the games yourself, but you should absolutely utilize JY's free explanations.

Where did you learn to diagram and actually do games? There me be a problem with the actual method you're using.

I used the Logic Games Bible. I watched one today, and I noticed that we both came up with all the inital inferences on that particular game. My biggest issue is freezing up on the questions. The first time around, I dont have the inferneced memorized in the short time span and I have trouble connecting them all. Whats your process on handling questions?

By the way, is that pretty much what the fool proof method is suppose to be? I know it reccomends doing each game 10 time, but, even though I only do it 6, is that pretty much the right process? If not, what am I doing wrong?

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p.s. Your hopes of law school don't have to be flushed down the toilet. Logic games are something everyone can improve on. They're lauded as "the most learnable section of the LSAT." And trust me, I'm living proof that you can improve once you start fool proofing the right way. One day, you'll turn the page to a new section and everything will feel like it has "clicked."

LG is very mechanical and step by step it's possible to figure out what's going on and to help you improve!

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p.s. Your hopes of law school don't have to be flushed down the toilet. Logic games are something everyone can improve on. They're lauded as "the most learnable section of the LSAT." And trust me, I'm living proof that you can improve once you start fool proofing the right way. One day, you'll turn the page to a new section and everything will feel like it has "clicked."

LG is very mechanical and step by step it's possible to figure out what's going on and to help you improve!

Let me list out my process for each new game (assuming this is one that I can set up properly):

Diagramm rules and list as many inferneces as possible

Go to the questions: Freeze up and not able to connect the inferences to eliminate answers. And thus end up screwing up, taking 15 minutes to answer questions and only getting a couple correct

Do the game 5 more times. Each time the inferences and the interworkings of the game become clearer and clearer. By the 6th and final time doing the game, I have usally all the inferneces down and can conplete all questions correct in under 7 minutes. Also, I never watch the explanations on this site or any others. I can figure out the game naturally, but it takes a time or two. Thats my biggest problem.

Its extremely, extremely frustrating, and i’m starting to feel hopeless

If each game had pretty much the same structure and inferneces, I can see where this method would be helpful. However, my trouble comes in on brand new games where each set of inferences is unique and interact with each other in a new, unique way. In the amount of time alloted, its extremely difficult to put it all together and start hammering out answers. It takes one-two redos, after getting farmilar with the game, before I can do that.

Some games I have had an extremely difficult time setting up. However, most games I have been able to set up. I am pretty good at diagramming the rules and making inferneces like you listed above. My trouble comes in on the actual questions. I have trouble putting it all togrher and elminating answers in the amount of time i’m alloted.