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General · 7Sage Live Class - June 8th through August 10th! [SOLD OUT]
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sumayyahghori0017
Saturday, May 28 2022

Hi! Is this class geared towards people planning on taking the August LSAT? Also, where in the CC should you be in order to gain the most from this class (or what should your current PT score be? if that is relevant).

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sumayyahghori0017
Wednesday, Oct 26 2022

Is it a good idea to ask law schools' admissions offices what you should include in your addendum, or would it look bad on your file? Or should you only ask if more detail is needed after writing up everything?

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General · Announcing Our Next Live LSAT Class [SOLD OUT]
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sumayyahghori0017
Monday, May 23 2022

Is the HW/drills/study plan individualized or is it the same for everyone? Would we be able to focus on the sections we are most struggling with?

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Study Groups · Mid-160's scorers study group
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sumayyahghori0017
Friday, Apr 22 2022

Hey! Interested. I'm also EST, but basically free since I just graduated lol. Mid-160s too, trying to get to 175 :(

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LSAT · Speed on Logic Games
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sumayyahghori0017
Tuesday, Apr 19 2022

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It looks like you've already gotten some great advice, and apologies if I reiterate anything that's already been said, but I think a key thing to look at is where you're going wrong. Are you missing key inferences? Or are you working slowly because you're brand new at this and the connections will take time to develop? Or both?

If you're missing inferences, make notes on that based on J.Y.'s explanations. If you're just working slowly, I think the only remedy is to keep practicing! I'm no LG expert but I used to be really bad and only reliably got through two of the games. Now, I usually at least get through three by reviewing missed inferences and just practicing.

Honestly now that I am thinking about it, I sometimes find it difficult to figure out how inferences may interact on the gameboard/ with the entities, which is probably what's taking me so long. It might additionally be that I am missing a few key inferences, and that when I do make some of the bigger ones, I second guess whether or not they are correct- but I think I am improving on this part. Thanks for your advice!

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LSAT · Speed on Logic Games
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sumayyahghori0017
Tuesday, Apr 19 2022

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Are you getting -1/-2 in 35 min (very good!) and looking to get faster for a safety margin or are you getting -1/-2 taking as much time as you need. If it's the second it would be helpful to know how much time you are taking to answer all questions successfully, but really the biggest thing would be to start applying time pressure to yourself to force yourself to go faster. If it's the first one I'm in a similar position so I can't help much I'm afraid other than practice practice practice haha.

I'm getting -1/-2 given as much time as I need- I roughly take 10 mins too long :(. If I put pressure on myself to be faster, I never finish the last game, and occasionally miss one or two extra questions, which sucks. I've heard competing suggestions (don't time-just practice to perfection; always time; do individual games to time; do full-length sections) so I am just trying to figure out strategically what the best thing to spend my time on would be.

Oh my Holy Jesus... if you're two weeks in and nearly acing them with 10 extra minutes, please trust me, you will be fine. The inferences will come easier as you start to subconsciously recognize the patterns. It honestly took me 3-4 months to get where you are, and I now get between -0 and -2 on timed PrepTest LG sections. I think once you get to where you currently are, the best way to practice LG is as follows. If you:

a) Figured out the inferences, finished in time, and got 100% (or made a mistake that was obviously silly on one or two questions), you're done. Move on. Pat yourself on the back. Fuck yeah.

b) Did well in terms of accuracy but took too long: Watch JY's video and see if you missed any inferences. Usually, if a game takes too long, it's because you missed inferences up front or got hung up on one or two tricky questions. If you missed inferences, make a note on the game, then come back to it on a later day, make all the inferences from memory, make some hypothetical gameboards or something to see how the inferences really impact the remaining possible worlds, then approach the questions once you feel you REALLY understand how the game works. I took this advice to heart and it helped me so much.

c) Straight up did not understand the game after taking a substantial amount of time on the rules and doing trial and error on the questions: watch JY's video and follow along carefully as he builds his gameboard and approaches the questions. He usually finds ways to address the hardest games that seem obvious in hindsight and, more importantly, will apply to similar challenging games you will face in the future. Once you've done this and feel more confident, make a note on it, come back to it later, make the inferences from memory, and take another run at the questions.

I wish you the best of luck -- you're in a great place right now! Keep practicing each of the three sections evenly, taking practice tests under real conditions, and you are going to crush it. Cheering for you.

Thank you so much for this advice! I'll def watch more of the vids- I wasn't initially bc I realized I was just memorizing the inferences and writing them down from memory :(. I'll space out my initial and follow-ups more so I have time to forget lol! Thank you for your vote of confidence- three weeks(ish) in and too anxious, so really appreciated!

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Study Groups · Washington DC Study Group
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sumayyahghori0017
Monday, Sep 19 2022

Hi guys! Made a GroupMe for this group!

https://groupme.com/join_group/89543017/eqLUpoA9

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sumayyahghori0017
Sunday, Sep 18 2022

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Awesome, how about we start as a zoom group and see who is willing to meet up in person/who will stay on zoom?

Does Thursday (9/22) at 5:30pm est work for everyone? If not just let me know!

Works for me!

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LSAT · Speed on Logic Games
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sumayyahghori0017
Sunday, Apr 17 2022

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One thing that’s going to be really important is to change your understanding of how to manage time. You’re framing it in terms of speed, but it really isn’t about how fast you do the work. Instead, it’s about how effective the work you do is. For example, if you work a game and it takes you 15 minutes when it should’ve taken you 9: Your response won’t normally be to squeeze that 15 minutes worth of work into 9 minutes. Instead, you want to try to find different work that will be more effective and thus, less time consuming.

So maybe you do the game again and this time choose to split the game board. Sometimes that can fundamentally alter the development of the game in really dramatic ways. I’ve gone from -4 in 15 minutes on a game to -0 in 6 minutes because I found a more effective way to represent the rules through splitting the game board. It can be that powerful. And that isn’t the only tool for this kind of assessment, but the point is that studying games isn’t about squeezing the work into the timeframe. It’s about finding the work that’s going to fit.

All that said, I think it’s too early to get discouraged only two weeks in. Honestly, the real reason your time isn’t improving is just that you suck at logic games. I sucked at LG two weeks in; everybody sucks two weeks in. And that’s okay. Right now you’re just trying to get comfortable with your tools. You’re still learning and making mistakes. You’re still going to be dealing with inaccuracies, pursuing dead ends, missing obvious inferences, and setting things up generally poorly. What matters most right now is that you eventually get there and that, when you do, you understand what the best setup is and why it’s better than the others. Timing on LG is more a matter of experience, and you just don’t have that yet. But you’ll get it. You’ll see the right moves faster and more intuitively with time and things will start improving.

Right now, it sounds to me like you’re on track. Keep at it.

Thanks heaps! I was worrying a bit, since I am planning on taking the June LSAT and feel far behind from where I want to be to make my goal score. However, just did a full LG problem set with around 10 mins to spare and no incorrects, so I think improvement's happening, even if I can't always see it :)

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LSAT · Speed on Logic Games
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sumayyahghori0017
Saturday, Apr 16 2022

@ said:

Are you getting -1/-2 in 35 min (very good!) and looking to get faster for a safety margin or are you getting -1/-2 taking as much time as you need. If it's the second it would be helpful to know how much time you are taking to answer all questions successfully, but really the biggest thing would be to start applying time pressure to yourself to force yourself to go faster. If it's the first one I'm in a similar position so I can't help much I'm afraid other than practice practice practice haha.

I'm getting -1/-2 given as much time as I need- I roughly take 10 mins too long :(. If I put pressure on myself to be faster, I never finish the last game, and occasionally miss one or two extra questions, which sucks. I've heard competing suggestions (don't time-just practice to perfection; always time; do individual games to time; do full-length sections) so I am just trying to figure out strategically what the best thing to spend my time on would be.

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Study Groups · Washington DC Study Group
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sumayyahghori0017
Friday, Sep 16 2022

I would love to participate as long as its virtual- live close to DC but not enough to want to drive there lololl

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Saturday, Apr 16 2022

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Speed on Logic Games

Hi guys, looking for some advice on LGs. I have been working on them for a few weeks now (ok, like two, lol), and haven't seen much improvement on time. I can answer most/all of the questions successfully (maybe -1 or -2 on a bad day) but my speed isn't improving (or at least not much). I diagram on time I think (a minute or two-ish), but I think what's bogging me down is the time it takes to try out must/can be true q's or must/can be false q's, as well as sometimes making new, more difficult inferences for questions with new if's. Idk if it is just that though, because I am taking more time answering every question than I should be. I've just been drilling problem sets, but not sure if there is a better method I should be looking into. Any advice would be super helpful! Thanks.

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Saturday, May 14 2022

Also interested!

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LSAT · How long does it take to study LG to -1/-0?
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sumayyahghori0017
Monday, Aug 01 2022

I think it greatly depends on how long it is taking you now to finish a full LG section, and the number of incorrects you are currently getting. In my study, I was pretty good at solving puzzles but struggled with time, and it took me about a month and a half of study to get a -0/-1 sort of score pretty consistently (I still struggle a little bit with time sometimes, depending on the section I am doing + my level of exhaustion). If you haven't taken a full times preptest, do that first because that will give you a good starting off score to base your schedule around. Also, if LG is what you are struggling with the most, that is a great thing, because you're likely to improve faster than if you struggled with LR or RC. Good luck- you got this!

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