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sweetalison007757
Friday, Jul 28 2017

I think LSAC only uses the grades of your home country. In my country ( India) a B = 50-59%, B+ is 60 and above. A is 70 and above ( and that rarely ever occurs in most Indian universities) . At least when it comes to non STEM majors in India, 70% is a miraculous score, that occurs once in every few years.

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Jul 28 2017

I am from India - where we have 1st class, second class and 3rd class classification of grades. 1st class = 2:1 of UK, 2nd class 2:2 etc. One more question - will LSAC automatically distribute my transcripts to US law schools, or will they wait until I enter my LSAT score?

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Jul 28 2017

Nope we don't have a GPA system. Purely a percentage affair. So candidates like me will have no LSDAS GPA, is that right?

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Friday, Jul 28 2017

sweetalison007757

CAS GPA Evaluation.

Good afternoon everyone!

Can one submit one's transcripts to the AACRAO so that one gets evaluation of one's UG performance, before taking the LSAT?

I have read that the CAS ( formerly LSDAS) uses AACRAO evaluation services to determine how good or bad one did in UG.

I plan on taking the LSAT this February 2018, but before taking, I would like to know where I stand as an international applicant. Or does the CAS calculate GPA only when you are applying to law schools?

In other words, if one's not applying to law schools immediately, can one engage transcript evaluation of AACRAO or CAS just to assess where one stands?

Alternatively is there anyone here who can provide a tentative LSDAS GPA for an international student like me, whom I can PM?

Thank you.

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sweetalison007757
Sunday, Aug 27 2017

Since I had no failing grades, just poor ones, I never though bout dropping out. I should hv on retrospect

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sweetalison007757
Sunday, Aug 27 2017

Nevadacity I have already graduated. Nothing I can do now will change the GPA. Looks like u didn't graduate and went back to college and had a brand new transcript

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Aug 25 2017

I feel for that Canadian guy who graduated from McMaster's with a low GPA in Maths.

And no not all Universities in India has harsh grading scales. There are many like Delhi University and numerous private universities with relative grade inflation.

Its only a handful of Universities like mine who give out marks like Shylock the Jew parting with his money ;p.

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Aug 25 2017

I have analyzed why I got a BA evaluation. Technically speaking - my aggregate would have been called average . But since I have had poor marks in my earlier modules, those damning scores took a precedence over my cumulative GPA.

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Aug 25 2017

All US applicants on TLS, 7Sage etc who complain about their 3.3/3.2 GPA makes me wistful and envious . At my college most of us would have killed for that GPA. In fact the guy who was a summa cum laude at my college had a 3.4 so...

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Aug 25 2017

My University actually has A, B, C for each marks obtained. Its in my transcript.

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Aug 25 2017

Thank you. Honestly my alma mater puts institutions like Purdue, BU to shame. The closest equivalent can be Canada's U of T - where median is C/C+.

However I take the responsibility of my poor GPA myself. No point sounding like a whiny teen. There were some students who were resourceful enough to manage a B average and even a B+ at my school.

There is someone I know of who had grades similar to mine, and got through a decent law school at USA, but not gonna name him, as his story is not mine to tell.

I am gonna keep up the LSAT prep - anyways. Though logically - correct me if I am wrong - a very high LSAT will actually make law schools even more suspicious - they will pin me down as good for nothing who were on drugs throughout undergrad. Some people told me - that lower ranked law schools yield protect the hell out of people with high LSATs.

No I have gotta buck up, give the LSAT and apply with my GPA - which is poor, no two ways about it. Sounding like a whiny teen will not help overmuch.

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Aug 25 2017

Yes am from India. Went to a school with harshest grading curve on earth. Getting a B-in my final year took a lot of effort. Then again may be I was not smart enough to figure how to overcome the grading curve.

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Aug 25 2017

No I have already graduated. :( Nothing I can do now honestly. I had a learning disability ( undiagnosed by then) and was studying at a school with ridiculously harsh grading curve C/C-/B-.

I don't have any failing grades, but if any UK student is here - they will get me -many of my modules in my 1st two years had 3rd division marks. I made it up in my final year and secured high 2:2 in my modules but damage had been done.

I really do want to study law in USA at an ABA accredited school, but I guess that kinda impossible now. :(

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Aug 25 2017

I don't have failing grades. I passed all papers. Its just my marks are full of C/C- and B-. I just have a poor GPA ( 2.3 ) or so which appeared as poor or below average.

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Aug 25 2017

I am interested in law - mainly family law.

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Thursday, Aug 24 2017

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Rated as Below Average

Hi guys,

It was just as I has predicted. I have a Below Average evaluation. That is tantamount to a D.

I seriously need some opinion/advice on whether or not to apply to law school at all even if I get a good LSAT score.

A D evaluation will be regarded as not passing by law schools, so I think my application will go to the bin regardless of LSAT scores.

I am targeting T3/4 law schools, but those won't be possible and might be a long shot.

Advice much needed.

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sweetalison007757
Saturday, Jul 15 2017

I am a prospective super splitter as well. May the force be with you.

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sweetalison007757
Saturday, Jul 15 2017

I suggest you try to hit a 175+. Target T 30 Law Schools. Blanket T14 like Northwestern as well. If you get into NW well and fine, if you are waitlisted you can use that as bargaining to get into some T30 or T40 law schools. All the best.

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sweetalison007757
Saturday, Jul 15 2017

I also hope OP got her dream school. She was well on her way to score a great LSAT. I sympathize with her more than anything. Worrying about low GPA, giving all to LSAT prep, fretting over getting waitlisted, super splitters have a lot to worry about :/

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sweetalison007757
Saturday, Jul 15 2017

I read somewhere on reddit that this person transferred to Columbia with a 3.4ish GPA and 174 LSAT....

Anyways if you want to practise in New York then you can try for Washington Uni... That's a great law school - ranked 25th.

Else Northwestern is a great option. They love splitters.

Columbia might be a long shot. Unless you are URM, first generation college, etc, STEM major etc. A STEM major from Carnegie Mellon got into HLS with a 3.1 GPA.

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sweetalison007757
Saturday, Jul 15 2017

But if OP has either a STEM degree, or has military service, then yes I agree he/she has a good chance at a T30 law school.

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sweetalison007757
Saturday, Jul 15 2017

Mellow_Z...

I am a regular lurker in LSN ( Law School Numbers) - and from what I have observed law schools forgive such GPAs only on two rare cases -

If major was on STEM.

If candidate was a Marine or Military.

Suppose a candidate has a low sub 3 - 2.3-2.8 GPA on subjects like Philosophy, History, Pol sc etc, and has quite a few years of exp like teaching, administration, marketing, business, academics etc - ( not military) then I don't know what chances they have for T30/40 schools. If they have 175+ LSAT some schools might consider them, but admission will be uphill.

And LSN lists LSADC GPA.

If your LSDAC GPA was low it can be mitigated by superior LSAT. But OP here has a low degree/major GPA. Low major/degree GPA means the LSDAC will rank it even low and getting into any T1 becomes uphill.

My only advice for those with low degree GPA and those who are non URM, non military etc - is to get 175+ LSAT and pray any T1 accepts them .

I myself am a non traditional, International aspirant - almost 5 years out of undergrad. Got a sub 3 ( WES calculation - 2.4 ish) degree GPA, so praying to score good on LSAT ( 175+) and get accepted at a decent law school. T1 is a long long shot for me according to LSN anyways. Most international applicants have great UG GPAs.

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Jul 14 2017

Military/Marine service would rank #1 as law School softs. My research on LSN showed that a lot many military veterans got into top B Schools - one even got into U Penn, with a sub 3.0 . You do the math. But you have to have extensive military experience, not just a year or two....

After that comes publications in high end journals. This one's a great way to showcase academic aptitude and dedication - this actually would be even more useful if one doesn't have a great/good GPA.

Fellowships, awards won etc.

For all those who did poorly in UG, exemplary performance in Grad school will be a good soft.

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sweetalison007757
Friday, Jul 14 2017

Get a 179 or at least 175+.

You wont get into T 14, but T 30-40 should be a possibility. If you are an URM chances are even better.

Just dont apply to T14, and you will be fine. All the best.

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Wednesday, Jul 12 2017

sweetalison007757

International Student, Extreme Splitter Wannabe

To put it bluntly, my UG scores are below average - the LSAC will probably have a seizure looking at my transcripts. My transcripts will most likely have a ''Below Average'' evaluation.

I am from India - which has grading similar to UK. A 2:1(60%) is considered standard good marks while a 2:2 - ( 50 -59%) is considered death knell.

I have a 2:2.

I am certainly not expecting a T14.

So hypothetically if I manage a good LSAT score - 175+ I know that sounds a stretch.... will any T20 or T30 consider me? To what extent does LSAT scores mitigate a very low GPA?

If it helps - its been 4 years out of undergrad. I have had a great grad GPA ( wont help much), cracked a national level exam with great marks, and presently working as a lecturer.

Please help out guys.

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sweetalison007757
Wednesday, Aug 09 2017

Mods, seems like I necro'd this post again by accident. Please delete my comment. Thank you.

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sweetalison007757
Wednesday, Aug 09 2017

Nope not at all silly. A high LSAT can indeed help you get into a decent school. There are plenty of people who got into good schools like WUSTL, IUB etc with a 173+ LSAT. Try to get a 175+.

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