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Monday, Jan 30 2023

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Any specific techniques for BR?

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I'm writing this post to see if anyone who is in the process of BR or has done well with BR in the past has any advice. I've worked my way through the curriculum and am familiar with BR, it is a process that I've implemented with my own studies. I've now worked through the 7Sage CC, The Trainer, and LoopHole. I'm really starting to get to the meat of drilling, fool proofing, PTing, etc. When I BR, I'm able to go through the ACs and follow the steps that J.Y. has laid out with proving four wrong ACs and one right AC. But I often struggle with the more challenging questions (ones that I struggled with the first go around). I feel as though I get in a monotonous BR mode that is reevaluating the stem, stimulus, and ACs but is not conducive to seeing what went right/wrong. So my question is: is there anything extra that you have done with you BR process that you think is tangible in your results? I do use my WAJ which is a big help, but I'm just looking for that extra edge when I'm BRing. It's nice to BR an easier question you missed and have your epiphany moment and I would like to have that as often as possible!

I'm open and appreciative for any suggestions! I know BR is different for everyone so I'm just trying to take in as much as I can.

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Sunday, Oct 30 2022

Such a huge milestone, kudos to you for the continued perseverance and never giving up. Best of luck with everything that follows!

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Wednesday, Aug 30 2023

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Looking for a Study Group (Boston, MA)

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I am looking for a study group in the Boston, MA area. I am looking to create a group of individuals interested in teaching and learning from others, while acting to keep one another accountable. I have no preference for scores or actual test date. I hope to apply next cycle so I aim to have the LSAT done before then. If you're in the area please consider reaching out! Thank you.

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Saturday, Oct 29 2022

Is there anything within the law programs themselves at either schools that interest you?

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Hello,

I was wondering about a study method I saw recently and if anyone has employed something similar.

This involves completing almost an entire part of the core curriculum, but leaving a part of each section unfinished before returning at a later time.

For example, completing all the lessons in the “Most Strongly Supported” section of Logical Reasoning. Then, completing about half of the practice sets towards the end of the lesson.

The reason being that returning to finish the remaining practice sets at a later time forces you to review the content down the road. This refreshes your memory and also allows you to move and continue through the curriculum.

Was wondering if anyone has studied in a similar way? Thanks

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Just a general question for those of you who have completed the CC?

I've been working my way through and have been taking notes throughout. At the rate I'm going the College Ruled three ring notebook I have will be pretty chalked full of ideas and key terms. In addition, I've been downloading the PDF's that are given to you and have been making Quizlets for stuff I need to remember.

How do you view your notes at the end of core curriculum? What I envision is being able to condense all my notes down into the three sections (LR, LG, and RC) and then being able to break it down into question types and common mistakes or common ideas to look out for (if applicable).

Just curious how you've used your CC notes and if there's any recommendations for someone who wants to be an avid note taker and make sure they're not missing anything.

Thanks!

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Friday, Jan 27 2023

Just commenting to follow along. I plan on FPing 1-35 because I've heard other users doing that exact method and it really helped pay dividends to them ending up being -1 or -0 on LG. Curious to see what others say!

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🔢 I'm currently scoring: High 150s low 160s

📆 My planned test date: Unplanned, hoping to study until I feel ready. Aiming for spring of 2024

📈 To study, I have been: I've finished the CC and have been drilling and PTing, hoping to improve my studying with group members

🔑 My goals for this group are: To hold each other accountable and to take opportunities learning and teaching one another

🔍 We'll focus on: All sections, heavier emphasis on LR and RC

📚 When we'll meet and what we'll do: Hoping to determine the best times once I get a group together. I work a 9-5 and am hoping to be able to accommodate a study schedule off of that.

✅ How to join: Message me through here!

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Hello,

I'm confused on how to approach this weakening question. My understanding of the auto industry executive's argument:

The auto industry executive is rejecting the recent guidelines that are requiring the production of cars with higher fuel efficiency (C) because statistics show that cars after 1977 that were built smaller to be more fuel efficient had a higher incidence of accident related fatalities (P). As I understand it, the executive is making a poor correlation-causation argument between building cars smaller and the assumed increase of fatal accidents. I'm having trouble with how the AC's best weaken the argument.

I initially chose D, and was struggling to find a better AC during BR. I eliminated E and B right off that bat. That left A C D. I chose D because I thought if modern technology could make cars more fuel efficient WITHOUT having to alter the size of the car (the executive is linking smaller fuel efficient cars and fatalities), then it might weaken the argument. You eliminate the need for change in size, you eliminate one potential connection with accidents.

I'm struggling to see how AC C is correct. I noticed the change between big and small and left that AC at first. Can someone help explain how that is the correct AC. From my understanding, if large cars can have a better fuel efficiency from new technology based off recent guidelines, does that weaken the executive's argument that the guidelines would have to adopt previous standards that they (incorrectly?) linked with accidents and fatalities?

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Tuesday, Oct 25 2022

I've been using "The LSAT Trainer" by Mike Kim in conjunction with 7Sage. 7Sage is my primary study tool, the Trainer is something I do in addition to receive an additional perspective and to find another way to continue practicing.

Keep in mind that using two sources might employ slightly different methods that can be confusing. But generally, what I like about the Trainer is that it takes a far simpler approach. I think "simpler" would scare away many 7Sage users and personally I far prefer 7Sage to the Trainer. That being said, why I recommend it is that it offers a refresher on the fundamentals of LR that may be beneficial to you. Certainly worth checking out!

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Wednesday, Feb 22 2023

Interested!

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Saturday, Aug 20 2022

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Taking a step back and reevaluating Logical Reasoning

I am currently in the midst of a cold streak with logical reasoning. I understand the steps 7Sage has prescribed and attempt to review them, but every practice set and blind review leaves me feeling frustrated and with no progress whatsoever.

I was wondering if any of you have found a method to take a step back from Logical Reasoning and reevaluating your methods and have seen improvement. No amount of blind review or practice questions seems to be yielding a positive gain in my abilities. Thanks!

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Tuesday, Jun 20 2023

Interested!

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Tuesday, Jun 20 2023

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Monday, Jun 19 2023

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Friday, Aug 18 2023

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Boston Study Group

Hello,

I am looking for a study group in the Boston area. I’m hoping to meet up and review prep tests and sections. Hoping to hammer out more specifics once a group is formed but at least three days a week of two hour sessions.

I’m a really firm believer in the group study environment for the LSAT. I believe it’s conducive to not only be around like minded individuals to motivate for studying, but also to teach and be taught by others.

I work a 9-5 in Cambridge and am very accessible to meet up and study in the in between time. I also have good access with the MBTA to get around when needed. Please let me know if you’re interested!

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Tuesday, Jan 17 2023

J.Y. has said before (on a Podcast I believe) that you don't have to do all the problem sets in the core curriculum and that including all of them is a means of testing your abilities with certain question types. They're meant as reinforcers. If you feel good about a certain question type and haven't done all the drills, great. If you're not feeling confident, that's what the drills are for. Keep in mind that the drills in the core curriculum progress from easiest to most difficult. Practice set 1 will be far easier than practice set 10 and so on.

As for the second part, I'm not too sure the direction you mean when you say "remember all of them." The best way to utilize questions is to evaluate what you did well on them and what you did to lead you to an incorrect answer. You can find posts on how to use a "Wrong Answer Journal." The WAJ allows you to document what went right, what went wrong, how to change that in the future and so on. So I would advise less about remembering questions but rather the procedural steps that contribute to each question type and then finally what you can do for improvement. I hope that helps!

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Thursday, Feb 16 2023

Congratulations! Any advice or wisdom regarding studying, routine, habits etc. that you can share?

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Sunday, Jan 15 2023

Yes there are. The cycle stays the same each year unless otherwise noted by LSAC (ahead of time traditionally). You can’t sign up too far ahead in advance. I’m not sure what the actual parameters are for when you can sign up, but you’ll be able to eventually.

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Has anyone had a similar issue?

The particular issue I'm having is that the summary of the AC's correct and incorrect under the Drill Sets "Review Results" is not matching what is shown in the individual explanations. For example, I just completed four logic games from PT 31. As I'm in the process of FPing, I'm not always BRing directly after, I sometimes show results immediately under timed conditions to see what was correct and incorrect. I got four incorrect of the thirty five, three from one particular game and one from another. Specifically, PT 31, S1, G2 (Music store sells ten CD's), the results from the Drill Set say I got 7, 8, and 13 incorrect. When I go to watch the explanation, it now says 7, 8, 9, 12 were incorrect, with 13 having changed to correct. When I go over to the right of the AC's and hover over the wheel showing previous ACs with the selected AC and the corresponding date, it's giving me the incorrect date's AC. This is just becoming a slight challenge as I'm starting to notice a pattern where the AC's are becoming convoluted with the previous attempt. I'm using Safari on macOS Monterey 12.6.3

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Wednesday, Jun 14 2023

I just took the June exam this past Friday so I hope I can answer your question.

My desk was cornered against two windows, once of which ran nearly floor to ceiling. They asked me to shift my desk so that it wasn’t in full view. I then was also asked to close the blinds in the windows as I was reminded of the rules.

Similarly, part of my desk/testing environment was in a semi open space (I took the exam at home, it was the best I could do), and they asked me to shift my entire space so that I wasn’t in a completely open space. I just told them I can’t do that it is not possible. Wouldn’t recommend disputing everything that they ask but just to put into reference

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Tuesday, Dec 13 2022

You can take the LSAT five times in a calendar year, and seven times during your entire testing lifetime. There are very specific circumstances where you may be granted an additional test (you can find those examples in forums), but generally the rule is five times in a year and seven times total. Hope this helps!

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Tuesday, Jun 13 2023

Unfortunately the April 2023 test is not available. There’s no telling if or when it would be available.

For context, the most recent test that LSAC released was June 2020 (PT 93). That was released this past November. Over two years of tests have come and gone with only one release.

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Saturday, Apr 13 2024

Located in Boston, I'll shoot you a message

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Hello,

As the title suggests, I'm giving away my LSAT books. I have a copy of LR and RC from PowerScore for the year 2022.

They have been lightly highlighted in the first chapter of each - that is all.

I'm willing to pay for shipping. All I ask is that you're willing to take both books.

Please send me a message if you're interested.

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I'm currently working through the core curriculum and like taking a break to read discussion posts about success stories, score increases, and study habits. Especially with study habits, I get excited at the thought of having completed the core curriculum and can take what I know and apply to PTs.

My main question comes for those of you having completed the core curriculum and are now studying without the guidance of the core curriculum. PTing is relatively straight forward. BRing is all about the review of the PT and evaluating every answer choice you're not sure of under an untimed environment. 7Sage recommends about 2-3 PT a week with BR so account for 2-3 days for that.

What are you doing when you're not PTing and BRing?

I see a lot of users talk about their study habits of 5-6 days a week. What does the day of studying look like when you're not PTing and BRing? Are you going over core curriculum videos? Are you reviewing vocabulary and materials that assist in LR? Are you doing drills and practice sets? Just curious of how you set up your study sessions when you're not dedicating most of your time to PTing and BRing? Thanks!

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Saturday, Jun 10 2023

Overall the test seemed pretty reasonable, the only two moments that had me really questioning things were the musician game and the Skepticism passage.

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Hello,

I made a final push for June of 2024 (trying to maximize LG's) with the hope of hitting 170. I fell about five points short of that goal and am feeling a bit stuck. On the one hand, I was making substantial improvement with LR/RC. However, I feel that the uphill battle to claw towards the 170 with just RC/LR will be a challenge. I've PT'd in the past in the 170s (with LGs) and have seen RC/LR scores that indicate that I'm capable of getting close to that margin. I was wondering if anyone was feeling the same way and was wondering how to approach the post-June LSAT if you're in a similar predicament. I've put a lot of time and effort towards getting a 170 and hate to fall five (albeit a big five) points short. Was hoping to see if anyone had any advice or input in a similar situation. Thanks.

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Wednesday, Mar 08 2023

I'm interested

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Saturday, Jun 08 2024

I don’t know where you are at in the curriculum (and how long you’ve been going at studying for the LSAT), but my own experience had me leave PT’s until after I was done with the CC. I think having the core foundations is extremely important prior to jumping into PTs.

I know 94 PTs seems like a lot (and it certainly is), but those 94 go very quickly when you start to account for those using in the CC, those used for personal drilling, and those you’ll use to study with. I’d focus first on understanding the CC and when you’re ready, jump into PTing.

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Saturday, Jun 08 2024

Have you confirmed that there are spring semester starts? I’m not sure where you’re looking to apply (country and region) but at least in the U.S., it seems that most schools are fall starts because of the uniform curriculum they put their cohorts through. Do you have any schools you’re looking at that start in the spring.

I’d also suggest looking at transfer stories. My advice to you would be to first focus on the LSAT and preparing your application as best you can. I would agree with others who have told you it’s not worth attending a semester if your entire goal is to transfer. Stick through with your current plan, you got this!

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Sunday, Jan 07 2024

I'm not sure retaking the same PTs over and over again will add considerably to your studying and score. Ultimately, if you've used all of the PTs in the 80s-90s, you'll have to move down. Traditionally, it is recommended that you save the most recent PTs for right up until your test date. That way you get the most recent exposure right before the exam. That being said, the other PTs have a tremendous amount of value. While newer PTs have changes (for example, new RC has the comparative passages while older RC did not, newer LGs have the substitution question while older PTs did not), there is still so much material and content that will be useful to you and your studying. I would highly recommend going through older PTs and gaining exposure to that content. Remember, they are a finite resource. LSAC only releases so many PTs and there is a limited drilling pool out there. If I were you, I would utilize PTs 1-35 for drilling (as 7Sage does) and then use 40 and up for PTs.

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Tuesday, Jun 06 2023

These are definitely two convoluted sentences. Translation/simplification advice that I received that always stuck with me was that when you're struggling, try to go word-for-word. I know that the odds of having that luxury of time on test day or during timed PTs are slim to none, but while you have the practice time it can certainly make a difference.

Similarly, in my wrong answer journal (WAJ), I always try and note questions that I struggled with because of a word or phrase in the stimulus that had me questioning the meaning. Even for questions that you get correct, it might be helpful to take note of those kinds of questions. I believe the results of learning new words and challenging phrases can be cumulative in trying to study and get better at reading and understanding.

First time reading this through, my first point of contention was with the word, "metaphorical." Meta is a common prefix (I always think metamorphosis as my go to example word), but I still wanted to be sure of my understanding. I know what a metaphor is, but I decided to search for a definition of metaphorical. In essence, it is figurative, it's related to how a metaphor applies a phrase or meaning to something of which it is not literally applicable. Thus, how I read the first sentence is that a group of people (extremists) claim that all uses of language are applying an idea (or meaning) to something that it can't actually be applied to.

Second sentence starts pretty simply with a refute of the previous idea. This sentence is going to counter the extremists' idea that all use of language is metaphorical.

But as you mentioned, the "for unless" is what makes this challenging. Unless is a group three translation, so it would be Negate, sufficient. Similarly, after the comma it contains "No," which is Negate, necessary. If we were to translate that into Lawgic, we would get:

SUWL representing "Some uses of words are literal" and TCBNUAW representing "There can be no nonliteral uses of any words

/SUWL->/TCBNUAW

The contrapositive being: TCBNUAW->SUWL.

As I worked through this in Lawgic (and I do believe I'm correct although I would welcome any corrections if not!), I think this is one of those instances where it might be easier to understand that particular phrase intuitively.

The extremists' argument is countered by stating that unless there are some literal uses of words, then we cannot say there are nonliteral uses of words. Meaning, if even a singular word is used literally, then not all language can said to be metaphorical because a word can be applied to something that actually maintains its meaning. The extremists' argument relies on all words being metaphorical, which makes all language metaphorical, and that is countered by explaining that this cannot be the case because even if a singular word is used literally, they we can't say there is no nonliteral meaning.

I do hope this helps a little bit! I tried to break it down as I understood it. I think really parsing through the language is what makes the difference. Similarly, understanding the extremists argument makes the counter a little easier to understand, even if not fully understanding at first.

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Thursday, Nov 03 2022

My exact diagnostic and you far surpassed a score I could dream off. A massive kudos and hats off to you. Congrats on your success and much more in the future. You deserve all that will come along.

Any advice for studying, routine, tips, etc.

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Friday, Mar 03 2023

I just drilled this question the other day so I'll explain my reasoning and hopefully it can be of some value!

Important to start with the argument: Hunting was banned eight years ago. Now the deer population is six times the size it was before the ban. With more deer, we have incidents such as damage of property and motor vehicle accidents. Since there were never any hunting related injuries, the ban is unnecessary and has created a danger to the public.

It's important to recognize that the ban is being described as dangerous because of the aforementioned incidents of property damage and motor vehicle accidents involving deer.

We need to support/strengthen this argument.

It seems you were able to get rid of C D E relatively quickly, which is important. All of them are irrelevant to the argument. Who cares about shrubs, neighborhood feeding habits, or the health of deer herds.

That leaves A and B.

Why A is correct? The author of our argument is directly linking the increase in deer population as a result of the ban on hunting as being a danger to the public. We need to strengthen that. The way I got to understand A as being correct is looking at the contrapositive (I use contrapositive liberally because it's not a traditional conditional statement) of that statement. What would happen if in the surrounding counties that are mentioned where hunting is still permitted, the deer population are running rampant just like in Greenfield County (our county)? That would show that with or without hunting, deer are growing exponentially. If the deer population continues to grow with hunting, that would be a huge flaw in our author's argument. That would show that the hunting ban can't be the reason for the increase of deer related dangers because it would've happened with or without the hunting ban.

B. I had also narrowed it down to A and B. Like you, I noticed immediately that it was restating what is already mentioned in the stimulus. That to me was immediately odd and I went first to A. Just doing a quick scan over the AC's, I'd rather spend more time with the ACs that are introducing new information to the stimulus than the ones that are restating what is already known. B is just not relevant to strengthening the argument. The author is directly correlating the ban with an increase in danger, and B wouldn't do anything to dispel that.

In terms of how to select the correct AC (A) and avoid B, you were right there with recognizing why A is important. You saw the need to solidify the link between hunting and non hunting and subsequently the increase (or lack thereof) in deer population. If I can offer any of my own personal advice, I like to give the "time of day" to the ACs that are bringing in new information or circumstances to an argument. Especially for NA and Strengthen questions. B we had seen before, A we hadn't. After reading B and recognizing that it was restated information, I immediately wanted to go to A. I also like to channel my inner J.Y. "Who cares?" monologue with ACs. If they appear largely irrelevant or just have fluff information, who cares about them? That helped me eliminate C D E. Lastly, running the opposite of ACs is what is particularly helpful in Strengthen and NA questions? For B, what if Motor vehicle accidents involving deer don't often result in damage to the vehicle, injury to the motorist, or both? Does that change the argument? Whereas with A, what if in surrounding counties, where hunting is permitted, the size of deer population has increased in the last eight years? All the sudden, can we link hunting at all with the deer population? That is what the opposite of A would introduce to the argument, and subsequently why A being true is important in strengthening the argument.

This was a long winded response and I hope it helps a little (with answering the question and seeing how/why to chose the correct AC). It was largely a stream of my consciousness when answer this question. For these types of questions, I'd say don't be afraid to eliminate when necessary but to take the time of day to evaluate the ACs and with this particular question type, see how the opposite scenario would work the argument. Best of luck!

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Thursday, Feb 02 2023

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Wednesday, Feb 01 2023

Congrats on the score! When you say drill old question sets, are you talking about any type of question set (LG, LR, RC)? Or was there a particular type that worked best?

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