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williamsoliver858
Wednesday, Jun 24 2015

@ I don't mind you asking but I would prefer not to answer on a public forum. When I inquired, though, he responded fairly quickly. Not trying to be standoffish or anything. Hope you understand...

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williamsoliver858
Monday, Jun 22 2015

@ This one is such an outlier that I am more than happy to accept our disagreement... Looking back at it, maybe you're right, not really sure.

I normally would not even diagram this sentence unless it were an MBT question or something.

I just want my score. Can you give me my score? I only care about pencil sharpeners now.

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williamsoliver858
Monday, Jun 22 2015

I had the PS course to get started and hired David Busis to "bring it home." Both were well worth it.

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Monday, Jun 22 2015

@ I think you are right the first time, but this is not an easy one because one of the ideas is not so clearly negated. But just do whatever you do with other Group 3 words. Delineate the ideas, negate the SC, and there you go. In this case the result would be Teacher's power->Student's power, as you have it.

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Saturday, Jun 13 2015

@.gill.sanford I guess I was pretty strong at LG, so I was able to get through the LG Bundle with very little Fool-Proofing and hence, less time. It didn't take so long (maybe 3 weeks while working full time?) as to detract from what I had learned about LR and RC in the curriculum before I started the PTs. I recommend doing the bundle primarily just to "lock-in" LG so you can focus on improving what are, in my opinion, the more difficult parts of the LSAT.

I suppose that means that gutting through the LG bundle was the best strategy for me. If you think you want to cut it up and mix it with PTs or whatever, I don't think that is necessarily a "bad" idea. At least you would be studying in a manner that makes you feel comfortable, right?

Final plug: After the LG bundle, I don't think I missed an LG question during my first 5 or 6 PTs. It was nice, and it let me focus on other things.

Good luck. You really can't go wrong and I appreciate you reading all the comments.

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williamsoliver858
Wednesday, Aug 12 2015

@ Yeah INTP here...

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williamsoliver858
Thursday, Jun 11 2015

Yeah I watched EVERY video in the curriculum at increased speed. Not sure why you are not seeing it. For LG, I had to switch to the 7Sage video player, but the button was right there.

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williamsoliver858
Thursday, Jun 11 2015

Yeah, but I had to use 1.2x or 1.4x speed.

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williamsoliver858
Wednesday, Jun 10 2015

I don't know about this Palomino nonsense that @.hopkins is spouting, or if it is even a real thing. There are lots of fictitious pencil sharpeners out there, so you have to be careful about what people say. Alvin Brass Bullet is 180. Anything else is 120.

I'm just kidding. It's probably fine.

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williamsoliver858
Tuesday, Jun 09 2015

Alcohol is currently displacing all the cortisol in my blood stream. Quite effectively.

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Tuesday, Jun 09 2015

@ Oh yeah. If you take again in October, do it at ACC. Cadillac-sized desks and small crowd.

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Tuesday, Jun 09 2015

@ yeah man I'm in Austin but I have to deploy to Kuwait in a few months so the next 4 or 5 LSATs are a no-go for me. So today was it. If I scored a miracle I will let you know.

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williamsoliver858
Tuesday, Jun 09 2015

@ Yeah man don't cancel. If anything, use this score as motivation and analysis for the next time if necessary. You know how test day circumstances affect you now, so you can figure out how to overcome them in the future. Anyway, without getting in to specifics, you know the sections that were brutal for you were brutal for the rest, because that one section *ahem* was just as hard for all of us. In my opinion, compared to every other historical PT section of that category, that section was aggregately harder than any other in the last 30 PTs. Enjoy your beer bro. See you at UT.

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williamsoliver858
Monday, Jun 08 2015

I echo @ 's advice. You're fine. Don' read the entire Trainer again, but do "targeted" reading as necessary. Building up your LSAT Analytics after you've started the PTs will tell you what you need to review or re-study.

Finish the LG Bundle before moving on to PTs. This will help you get LG locked in so you can focus on LR and RC.

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Friday, Mar 06 2015

williamsoliver858

RC Hierarchy

When doing RC passages, I seem to do worse when I get too focused on the details. On the other hand, I tend to do better when I maintain a "big-picture" view of the passage. Furthermore, the former causes me to spend more time reading (3-5 minutes) and the latter less (i hope that was clear... probably not I'm a shitty writer).

To elaborate, when I maintain the big-picture approach focus on the structure, viewpoints (and how they relate), and the main idea of the passage and paragraphs.

I think "getting too involved in the details" means I get too focused on understanding the inferences and assumptions within the passage and neglect the larger implications.

So, even though all answers are equally weighted regardless of their focus, does anyone prioritize aspects (opinions, examples, definitions, etc...) of the passage? (Note: i won't way "parts" of the passage because they are not always broken down so neatly...)

So maybe a decent priority of focus would look something like this:

1) Main Idea

2) Structure

3) Opinions/Positions

4) Examples

5) Definitions

6) Assumptions, Inferences, other gaps in the arguments

Any similar experiences? Thoughts?

Also, when I look at a passage after reading and marking it, more underling and bracketing=worse performance.

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williamsoliver858
Saturday, Jun 06 2015

Whatever man this is my last chance for a while. Won't have an opportunity for a re-take (if necessary) over the next year due to an excellent adventure.

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Friday, Mar 06 2015

williamsoliver858

RC Plan of Attack

Sorry about the title, but I'm a soldier...

I took the overseas June 2012 LSAT and scored in the 160s. I was usually -0 to -6 total for LR and LG combined, and -SHITLOAD for RC. My study plan was skimming the Powerscore Books and doing a few PTs. RC was always my worst part, and I I have since abandoned the false assumption that you cannot improve on RC. I base this on my experiences going through about 80% of the Ultimate curriculum.

Anyway, I agree with the general consensus to NOT read the questions first. I have always gone straight to the passage and then hit the questions. I have been -0 to -4 on the RC problem sets in the curriculum with the variance NOT reflecting the "difficult level" in which they are categorized. I don't see any compelling reason to change my approach, but I want to check with the crowd on something.

So, to get to the point: has anyone tried an intermediate approach of reading the question STEMS only before reading the passage?

Possible pro: picking up and marking answers during reading / more clear pre-phrasing of answers

Possible con: getting too involved in the details and neglecting the structure and viewpoints

Please share your thoughts/experience.

For now, I will keep doing what I have been doing. Thanks for our insight, friends.

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williamsoliver858
Saturday, Jun 06 2015

@ Puppy pictures=180 (regardless of intent)

Using some crappy sharpener instead of the Alvin Brass Bullet=120

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williamsoliver858
Saturday, Jun 06 2015

Agreed. I don't want to sound snobbish, but every dumpster fire law school that wants your money (or the money you borrowed) will start banging on your door desperately.

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williamsoliver858
Saturday, Jun 06 2015

Many can equal most, but not necessarily. The important thing about @ 's example is that the flaw is a correlation-causation fallacy (or false cause, whatever you want to call it), which is only contained in one answer choices. The "most" in this stimulus does not affect the fallacy. If it were invalidly integrated into the pattern of reasoning (i.e. A most B most C, ergo A most C), then the difference would be very relevant. But it only refers to the quantity of opinion givers, so it is not as important.

When I do these questions, I always match the flaw conceptually first. Recognizing flaws/weakness/invalidities in arguments could be the most fundamental skill for LSAT Logical Reasoning.

Further, this answer choice could have said "one person said X, but [insert false cause], so he's wrong/not X." The fallacy remains the same. Go with that. The modifier is not part of the reasoning.

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williamsoliver858
Saturday, Jun 06 2015

@ Can you give us some specific examples? PT/S/Q# Please. This will help us help you.

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williamsoliver858
Saturday, Jun 06 2015

No, the modifiers/quantifiers are important. Are you paying attention to their synonymous interpretations? Majority=Most, some=a few=many=several, likely=most of the time, etc.

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williamsoliver858
Saturday, Jun 06 2015

You know that part of the 7Sage curriculum where you do all logic games from PTs 1-35 STRAIGHT and next thing you know you are -0 to -2 on all LG sections when PT'ing? Because you drilled the sh*t out of LG.

Just do the same for RC. It sucks but it pays off. Save a few passages for pre-PT and pre-Test Day (holy sh*t that's Monday...) warm-up like @ says. He's right. You have to warm your brain up and RC passages are safer than sticking your head in the microwave.

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williamsoliver858
Saturday, Jun 06 2015

I had a pretty steep drop the first time around, but I had been sick for a few days and got stuck in Seoul traffic on the way. Lots of anecdotes about "first-time" score drops, but I think it is really up to you.

Like the Sages say, look at your last three scores and it will be somewhere in that range.

If you have taken the PTs under realistic conditions, can relax, and have been consistent then you will match your PTs.

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williamsoliver858
Saturday, Jun 06 2015

@ I don't agree with your designation of necessary and sufficient conditions for this statement. The way you diagrammed it, with CN as the sufficient condition, leaves open the possibility that Barf could go to the ocean (GOT) on a night that was NOT clear, because you can deny the sufficient and still have the necessary. That is not what the phrase says.

In this phrase, as in others, the "only" that designates the necessary condition idea is not conveniently placed directly in front of it, but just think about it this way: If it is NOT a clear night, is Barf going to the ocean? No. Because he only goes on clear nights. /CN->/GOT therefore GOT->CN.

The entire argument is invalid as well (mistaken reversal or whatever one prefers to call it).

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williamsoliver858
Friday, Jun 05 2015

@ Beyond PTs, studying at a full-time job is doable as long as your boss is cool. I purchased and printed all of the Cambridge packets and drilled at work during downtime and lunch, even if it was just for 5 or 10 minutes. If this is something you are considering, make sure you buy them before Cambridge's license for PDFs expires. Good luck.

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williamsoliver858
Friday, Jun 05 2015

So I talk to my daughter before I start PTs and explain to her how it is very helpful if she "gives me a few hours of privacy." My wife backs me up and plays guard dog. Maybe your son is too young for that approach, though. My daughter is 6 so I can reason with her and she will understand.

If you are a single parent, I would get a baby-sitter for a half-day on one or two days off a week for PT time. I had to do this on a few occasions, but it was worth it. I work full time and completed the 7Sage Ultimate between February and "time now" for the June LSAT. It worked, but I have a two-week vacation before the test to help it do so.

I think the bottom line is to try to make full 4- and 5-section PTs happen, and if that is not possible, try to do 3 sections followed by an elongated break before finishing the last 1 or 2 if necessary. BR on another day.

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Wednesday, Apr 01 2015

williamsoliver858

Slightly modifying Ultimate Course study schedule...

I am currently registered for the June 2015 LSAT. This is my second shot after getting in the mid-160s a couple of years ago. Prep method at the time was some Powerscore skimming, a few PTs, and lots and lots of liquor. I finished the Ultimate curricular lessons a few weeks ago and have started doing the PTs.

I work full time and probably won't be able to take more than half of the PTs in the curriculum. I also purchased the most recent ones that are not included in the package. I was thinking about taking the even or odd numbered ones only (i.e. 42, 44, 46,...72, 74) for the June test for a couple of reasons: making sure I get some practice on the more recent (and relevant) PTs, but also leaving some in the hopper and keeping them "pristine" in case I want to give it another go in October.

I am hitting the 170s using the proctor app and 180 for Blind Review. But, hey, I can always screw up on test day, right? The data in the control group is too small right now to make assumptions anyway. Feel pretty good where I am though.

Thoughts? Should I just burn through in sequence or just focus on doing half the PTs? There are specific reasons I have to take the test in June that I don't want to delve into, but I will if asked. Just try to refrain from the "don't take it in June and just wait until October/December" advice if you can.

Liquor is still a part of my prep, but JY says I have to give it up 2 months out. Which is a week from today. FML.

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