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Friday, Jan 31 2014

+15 from first to best; +14 from first to my 5-test average.

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Thursday, Jan 30 2014

And just because sometimes we all miss the obvious, double confirm that you are logged in :-)

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zhenders335
Monday, Jan 27 2014

The general consensus has been that over the past few years now, even those schools which claim to take an average are really only looking at the high number. This is primarily because it is the only score which they are required to report to USNews rankings. DEFINITELY do not worry about that; if you feel confident you can get a better score, retake; with that said, most people would advise against taking in February unless you are hitting your target score pretty consistently.

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Sunday, Jan 26 2014

Time-wise, bubbling at the very end is much, much more efficient -- I highly recommend that. Regardless of where I am, I start bubbling when I have 1:30 remainding (less on LG because I find it's quicker to bubble).

I wouldn't worry too much about filling the whole bubble in -- use your dullest pencil for bubbling, start in the middle, and bubble 2/3 or more of it. It should take less than half a second for each bubble :) It's definitely overkill to fill up the entire space; the scanner will go right through the center; just make sure you don't leave the center unmarked, and you should be good to go.

Also, a second reason why NOT to waste a lot of time bubbling: In the event that the scanner doesn't read all of your bubbles, You can pay a bit extra for them to re-grade it by hand -- in which case it will be very, very obvious what answer you chose, even if it isn't "perfectly" bubbled.

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zhenders335
Sunday, Jan 26 2014

Yep, agreed. All sections can be improved, but with dedicated drilling and following these (7sage's) methods, LG can get to near perfect pretty quickly.

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Saturday, Jan 25 2014

Keep it up, guys :) lookin' good for February.

I teach quite a bit, and have a number of close friends who teach all over, from ESL teachers in other countries to teachers in high schools and universities -- and depending on the community, but especially in university, one thing that constantly comes up from students is this idea that we are living in a post-racial society.

It's hard to imagine anyone really feeling this way -- but what it suggests overwhelmingly is that so, so many people of this and the adjoining generations are completely sheltered from their own privilage.

I spend a lot of my time thinking about and writing about gender and race issues, and when stuff like the link I'm sharing below comes to the surface, it's hard not to feel sick to my stomach for days -- but it's also why this career choice of ours is important.

It doesn't even matter really what type of law you plan to go into. If you want to be a BigLaw partner and do corporate law, great. If you want to do PI work, double great. But on the road to obtaining that job, we will all be living for three years surrounded by the laws of our country. We will come out of that experience at the very least with a deep appreciation for why law is important, and most especially, the POWER that it has to do both great good and permit great evil.

Check this link out. Get angry over it -- please. Add it to your list of reasons why you want to go to law school: whether you want to work actively to end this kind of bullshit or not, one day after graduation you WILL bump into an opportunity to be a part of righting a wrong. This is the world we live in -- and we are going into one of the few professions that has a shot at changing it.

Let's kill the LSAT. Then, let's dominate in law school. Then, let's be the kind of lawyers and citizens that we want to be surrounded with -- and when opportunities arise to make a difference, let's use that education and experience to PROVE that's what we want.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/darrin-manning-testicle-rupture_n_4651700.html

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zhenders335
Saturday, Jan 25 2014

A much-favored method that I'm fond of is, when drilling complete sections, give yourself 40-45 minutes/section until that's comfortable, decrease time when you consistently have time left, until you hit 35.

Blind review is great, but if you aren't able to consistently complete sections on time, you're wasting valuable PTs and should drill under time with older test sections :)

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zhenders335
Friday, Jan 24 2014

I'll tell you this -- I know that if I don't do something, I'll have trouble sleeping. Not anxiety, just excitement.

I'm going to go on a long run, or hit the gym extra hard or something -- I want my body to be so tired that I can fall asleep at 8. We shall see :)

Torah, gosh I wish I could have felt that way about tht dream :-P but not, alas, this was just a nightmare. I was physically stuck on a linear sequencing game without a solution. No fun :-P

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zhenders335
Friday, Jan 24 2014

Melatonin, Marryam -- it seems to be the thing most highly recommended. Try it once or twice before then though, to make sure you know how you react to it.

I definitely hear you all on how life consuming this test is. Few nights ago I was trapped in a sequencing game all night long. Kept waking up and falling back asleep into it. Awful.

On the other hand, at least this test is interesting. We could be studying for months for the GRE (been there, done that. Not fun.)

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zhenders335
Monday, Feb 24 2014

Well, the short answer is it felt average; LR1 felt super easy, LR2 felt medium-hard, RC felt hard, LG felt medium.

On the other hand, it's always important to remember the curve =) if a test is "easy", that doesn't typically translate into a better score -- just a tougher curve!

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Friday, Jan 24 2014

I'm ALL about making sure to max out your potential :)

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Sunday, Feb 23 2014

zhenders335

Note about rescheduled tests

Hey all, I tested yesterday; I was a weather reschedule for the Feb 8th test.

I thought I'd just take a moment and let anyone who's interested know a bit about how a rescheduled test could potentially be a bit different than what you're preparing for =)

So in the event that you have to take a rescheduled test (I guess this is only likely during the winter season tests), be aware that you may run across a test whose LG go back to single-page format (I was a bit surprised for this when I opened up my test). In addition, while the RC section seemed pretty modern (I think as a result of needing to have the comparative section), the LR seemed very dated, and almost definitely were indeed. This seemed obvious to me, because (1) The wording was much more similar to the 40's than the 50's, 60's or 70's, and (2) the question content dated themselves at times pretty obviously (reference to the current popularity of the desktop PC and such).

LG were also -- for lack of a better way to describe them -- weird, just like they were in the 40's and before.

All of that to say, if you find yourself rescheduled, it might be worth your time to practice a LG section in the old style beforehand, and to maybe take or retake a PT in the 40's (which are just so much different from the 60's on) just incase =) certainly not a necessity by any means, but just be aware of the possiblity of an older-feeling rescheduled test!

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zhenders335
Sunday, Feb 23 2014

Err yeah, and as you pointed out, the LSAC website says it there clear as day. You answered your own question, mate :)

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zhenders335
Sunday, Feb 23 2014

Hmm, I guess I'll disagree with TniA -- everything I've read and every conversation I've had points to a September test this year. Generally speaking, I would call that good news for anyone shooting for that test -- you should have your scores back before application season officially begins.

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zhenders335
Wednesday, Jan 22 2014

I might add that is is precisely why it is SO important to absolutely kill the LSAT, and why 7sage is so valuable: scholarship money -- sometimes full rides -- can come from a halfway decent GPA and a great lsat -- and both are definitely necessary to attend the schools with the best job placement rates.

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zhenders335
Wednesday, Jan 22 2014

I will say this: anyone who is going to law school who hasn't done their research on the ACTUAL bar passage-required job placement of any and ALL of the schools they are considering attending is not taking law school -- and its utterly enormous monetary and time expense -- seriously.

While many of these websites and opinions seem extreme (and some of them may be), the reality is that a great many people are attending law school, taking out loans of between 100k-200k, and are unable to find a job to show for it -- and many of those who do are unable to find jobs which pay enough to make a substantial dent in that kind of loan.

Take these websites with a grain of salt, but listen to the core of what they are saying: that for many people, law school is a very poor investment -- and unfortunately, a particular school's job placement rate is generally at the core of things.

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zhenders335
Tuesday, Jan 21 2014

Statistically, that is almost exactly the difficult range -- 12-20 are tougher by and large.

I have a friend who swears by doing 1-12, 21-25/26, then coming back around for 13-20. I personally just prefer to race to 12-15 then slow waaay down :)

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Tuesday, Dec 17 2013

zhenders335

Feb. Study Partner(s)

I've tried to post this twice but had technical difficulties both times -- here's try 3 :)

I'm sure I'm not the only one on here who lives somewhere too remote for an in-person study buddy; I'm looking for one or two people who are interested in an informal study/discussion partner thing. I'm shooting for the February test, so it would probably make sense if that was your goal as well :-)

I have lots of time to study, personally -- but really, I don't think it's as important that we are on the same page study-wise as it is that we're both super-dedicated and motivated to the process!

I figure we can do as much or as little as we like; at the least, we can discuss questions/question types, compare progress and any tips/tricks we might have come across, and be general advocates for each other's success :) if the worst that comes out of it is extra motivation and a new friend or two who also will be heading off to study law, that seems like enough to make it worthwhile.

My personal plan is as follows: I've taken 4 PTs already, and will continue to work through all of the PTs after #40. I use the PTs before 40 for extra sections (to better simulate test day), as well as for extra section practice. I'm averaging 171 right now, with a test-day target of 177.

I hope to hear from you -- but regardless, best of luck with your own studies!

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zhenders335
Thursday, Feb 13 2014

Everyone is different. As a general rule I believe in the suggestions above, but you ought to do what works for you. Do you burn out easily? Or are you the sort who improves with familiarity?

I'm one of those who can benefit from back-to-back PT and testing days. I even did some PTs back to back for endurance training -- and consistently, the second test was a few points higher.

Know thyself. If you think you would benefit from a day off, take a day off. If not, then take a PT the day before.

A happy compromise might be taking a PT the day before but removing one of the LR sections and not doing an experimental -- kind of a "half PT" to keep your head in the game without inducing burnout.

Cheers!

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zhenders335
Thursday, Feb 06 2014

Jaguar, that's wonderful it's so inexpensive wherever it is you are (I assume Canada). Yes, it's that expensive here in the states. After COL, it's this expensive for almost all schools; before COL, many schools' tuition alone is this much or more.

http://lawschooltuitionbubble.wordpress.com/category/original-research/national-statistics/tuition-data/

scroll down; there's a chart that shows the mean tuition rates for American law schools from 1999 to 2012; the average (average!) in 2012 was over 40k annually.

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zhenders335
Thursday, Feb 06 2014

It just doesn't work out that way for so many. There are so many very disheartened dreamers out there who chased (and are still chasing it) without success.

sweet, It isn't that I disagree with your fervor -- it's just that with law, the data just don't support that. The jobs are going to graduates from prestigious scools in the middle or better of their classes. I'm not making this up; it isn't my opinion as to how it should be, nor is it simply the opinion of some law school slackers who are bitter about their lack of success. This is the reality.

The things that you describe above can rightly be considered necessary conditions for successful employment -- but they are by no means sufficient in the market today. No matter how you look at it, debt in the 150k+ range is debilitating for someone making anything less than 70 or 80k/year, and jobs that pay this not only are not guaranteed -- they are downright difficult to get.

This shall be my final post on the matter; for all of you reading these, don't take anyone's word for it here; do your own searches -- deep, detail-oriented fact-based searches. You owe it to yourself one way or another -- either to absolve yourself of doubts and prove me wrong, or to make yourself aware of the potential hazards.

Best of luck to you all in your pursuits; be careful. Make educated decisions, and make smart investments.

Edit: Caveat. Your number 5 is dead-wrong. One of the big things that all of you should inquire about with respect to the schools you are considering is, "how much job placement support do you get from the job placement department (which all respectable law schools have)?" YOU ARE PAYING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. They sure as hell DO owe you some help in seeking employment -- you just gave them a quarter of a million dollars.

Good schools support you in this way, because not only is it ethical, it helps the school keep their employment numbers high. If a school has a reputation for shitty job placement assistance, write it off as a diploma farm unless it has other qualities which strongly stand against this.

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zhenders335
Wednesday, Feb 05 2014

I'm not a downer on this. Live your dream -- just please be careful and make certain you are making a wise investment. Get that killer LSAT so that a scholarship can mitigate the risk, or so that you have the option to go to schools with very high job placement ratings.

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zhenders335
Wednesday, Feb 05 2014

Ladies and gents, I just don't understand your logic :-/ law ISN'T just like the rest of the market! Name another profession that costs over 150k (sometimes MUCH more) for your education and has such a huge chance of leaving you without a job?

GO to law school if you are passionate-- but don't be ignorant of the data as they are. MANY people who are undoubtedly passionate about being a lawyer have not/did not find lawyering work after graduation. This info isn't on the Internet to try to get you to quit on a dream -- law school transparency exists, because so many people said, "I have the dream of becoming a lawyer!" And too many schools have told them in return, "come to our school, give us your money, and you will get to live your dream!". And those students oftentimes come out the other end overwhelmed by debt with zero success in the jobs market.

If you want to spend 40k in loans to get your undergrad in English like I did, then who cares if you end up as a barista? I, on the other hand, you are 200k in debt and forced to work as a barista because the promised jobs never arrived even after endless searching because the market is supersaturated, then suddenly the real purpose of law school transparency et al. -- to protect people from possibly ruining their lives with insurmountable debt forever -- makes sense.

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zhenders335
Tuesday, Feb 04 2014

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/04/the-jobs-crisis-at-our-best-law-schools-is-much-much-worse-than-you-think/274795/

http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/reform/projects/Jobs-Tracker/

http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/2013/04/law-school-graduates-continue-to-face-brutal-entry-level-market/

Sorry, but there's just no argument here. The increase in demand for lawyers isn't here. Law firm growth rates are down. Just over 55% of the national 2012 class found full-time legal employment after graduation. The "panicky articles" are actually by and large realistic, well-sourced statistical analyses of the current law climate, many published in highly respected places.

It IS an insecure field. That doesn't mean the law field is a bad place to be though -- it means a law school with low placement rates is a bad place to be.

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zhenders335
Monday, Feb 03 2014

P.S. no one ever took adderal and suddenly jumped 25 points. Not. Ever.

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zhenders335
Monday, Feb 03 2014

Leave the Adderal out unless you are taking your regular, prescribed dose. Honestly mate, you ask "what happened".... That happened. HUGE chemical shifts that your body isn't used to are NEVER good for using your brain. It isn't magic.

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zhenders335
Saturday, Feb 01 2014

Chloe,

A couple of things. The advice above about NOT having the "February or bust" mindset is super important. You aren't scoring where you want; if you go into this test thinking "this is my only chance!", you will probably end up really disappointing yourself.

Ask yourself why it is so important that you go to law school this coming fall. Is it because it is your only realistic tips, or is it only because you hate the idea of having to wait?

If you can find a way to re-adjust your mindset to thinking of beginning fall of 2015 as okay, there are some ENORMOUS advantages you will be able to benefit from.

1. More study time -- and an entire summer to study WITHOUT taking classes (this makes an enormous difference if you're truly motivated!)

2. The ability to go into the test without the feeling of "this test or bust!"

3. The best thing -- in my mind -- is actually having the time to get a GREAT score -- and thereby possibly opening up GREAT scholarships. Think of it this way: if you scrape by with a score that can get you in this year, but could have waited just one year and gotten a score that got you in comfortably AND got you a half or better scholarship (and often it's just the difference between a few LSAT points), you could end up "earning" between $40k and $150 (depending on how much your school's tuition is) just for waiting a year! Not to mention the possibility of making yourself eligible for schools you might never have thought yourself capable of getting into.

Bottom line: breathe. Relax. It's not the end of the world. Instead of running into this test at breakneck speed, take a step back, and figure out how to tackle it in such a way that you can be 100% prepared to succeed.

Good luck with everything.

P.S. in today's law school climate, having a retake doesn't really matter; VERY few (if any) schools can afford to "average" your scores; they're looking at your TOP score (the only one they are required to report to USNews).

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