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Saturday, Dec 31 2016

I was in a similar situation about 4 months ago. RC always killed me. Rarely did I get -4 or less. I started using RC sections from PT 1-20 as my experimental in timed PT's. I read a 180'er a long time ago did the same thing. To really drill RC, even though I hated it and found it boring, you should double up on it on test day. Especially if 2 RCs come up on test day, you will be super stressed. Anyway, after several months, a lot of BR'ing and some note/markings style changes, I go 0-3 wrong. I took PT 36 a few days, but was super burnt out by this time (too much warm-up... I actually have a post about that ha ha), and I got a -3, even though I expected more like a -7...

In summation, one month isn't very long. I would recommend using ONLY RC as your experimental sections from now on. And BR RC EXTREMELY thoroughly. Also, as @ says, repeat sections are key. On my BR, I pretty much redo each RC section more or less timed (I allow myself to go over, if I need to) and I write line references for each right/wrong answer. THEN I go over each question untimed if I feel it's not 100% right or if I need A LOT of time to think on said question.

Best of luck. I'm sitting in Feb too.

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Saturday, Dec 31 2016

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Your post was much appreciated. I think you are my LSAT role model.

I find that I fail to see easy games for what they are when I'm doing PT's, and I end up spending 8 minutes on them, thinking to myself "it can't possibly be this easy, I'm missing something". How did you come by such discernment skills? Mainly by doing and becoming more familiar with the types of games/questions/answer choices? Any specific advice for doing so?

P.S. PT 77's game 3 actually did kill me (metaphorically and mentally). It was my first take.. I went -7 on LG mostly because I didn't heed above advice. At that point, it was goodbye 170+...

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Saturday, Dec 31 2016

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Thank you for the assistance. I'll try to remember the format.

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For the not both, I'm referring to what JY calls the group 4 logical translation (not both rule). He uses it here https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-6-section-4-game-4/ on question 24, which I just watched coincidentally. If we say "no cat is a dog", what we're really saying is that there is no thing that is both a can AND a dog. If it's a cat, then it cant be a dog, cause no cat is a dog. If it's a dog, then it can't be a cat, contrapositive, no dog is a cat.

Also, I think that the error in the problem is that the author is assuming that the following situation is impossible, "People with heart disease take the medication but are not under medical supervision." I find his formal logic to be fine, no flaw there. Just making sure that the logic is actually engaged is the problem. Which is what B does, albeit a bit convolutedly.

@ B: No (negate following conditional) migraine sufferers with heart disease will take the new medication EXCEPT (I just translate this to unless in my head but, either way, this is negate sufficient, so we get rid of our already negated statement, two negations = a positive) ---> under careful medical supervision.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that the except can directly negate the necessary here, because there is already a sufficient attached to it. We agree up to "If migraine sufferer with heart disease -> will NOT take the new medication." The except (i just read as unless/if-not) negates the condition immediately following it and makes it the sufficient, because the necessary is already set up as "will NOT take the new medication". If we use the "unless equation" as you say (which I am not sure is allowable), then we end up with "If migraine sufferer with heart disease + If they are under medical supervision-> will NOT take the new medication." Which, as you say, reinforces the FL in the problem, but as I said above, I don't find the FL in need of help, it's making sure that the FL always triggers. So, in summation, I can understand where the interpretation comes from, and it's purely coincidence (maybe? tricky LSAC) that it reads that way when we do some fancy (fallacious?) negations.

As an aside, I love it when the autocorrect tries to tell me "contrapositive" should be "contraceptive" or "contravention", but completely leaves my apostrophe-less conjunctions alone! Oops... Also, convolutedly is definitely a word, though more of a British variant apparently.

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Thursday, Dec 29 2016

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PT21.S2.Q03 - a new medication for migraine

I find abstract FL AC's to be quite a hassle on the LSAT. Usually I POE it down to one answer, which feels right, but I don't work through the FL if I feel it'd be a super time sink. So I BR and work it out then (now). I'm talking about AC B here, "No migraine sufferers with heart disease will take the new medication except under careful medical supervision." The no makes it a not both relationship: IF MIG sufferer w/ HD -> NOT take medication. The "except" gets translated to an IF NOT, which now becomes a joint sufficient condition: IF NOT under supervision.

SO, in total:

IF MIG sufferer w/ HD

+ -> NOT take medication

IF NOT under supervision

How is my methodology?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-21-section-2-question-03/

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Thursday, Dec 29 2016

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I think redoing old LR (1-30) for warmup will be perfect for me. Plus, that way, BR is a snap (or should be). Thanks!

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I might end up in the same boat. I tried warming up yesterday with 2 sections (LR+LG) and I felt overworked. So we'll see if it gets easier or not.

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As an aside, how long did it take you to hone your skills to a high level? As in # of PTs or months, whichever is more indicative.

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I love the "Now I just relax and do 3 sections for warmup". And just to make sure, the sections you warmup with are sections you've done previously?

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Well, trial and error is a beautiful thing. If at first you don't succeed . . .

Thanks for sharing.

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Glad to be of service. If I've got a question, chances are someone else is thinking the same thing too, so we can kill two birds with one stone, right?

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Sunday, Jan 29 2017

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PT72.S2.Q07 - expert: some people claim that

I am retaking some of the 70's PT's to get ready for Saturday (fingers crossed!). Most of the LR is no problem for me, I just was hoping for a bit of a discussion on a few questions, maybe someone can critique my reasoning? So here it is:

This is an extremely tricky strengthen question for me.The stimulus doesn't ACTUALLY mention that population growth will continue, which is the flaw I suppose. IF the trend doesn't continue, then there is no need to address concerns. Beyond that, the argument DOES indeed note that the planets resources allow for "food to be produced" at several times what it is now, and that there is a maximum to it. Answer choice B (the one I picked way back when) doesn't mention food shortages, so that is a count against it, but I am caught on the terms here "food resources from ... the ocean ... will eventually be fully utilized". To me that could be a counter to the objection, "maybe food has a maximum PRODUCTION amount, but we fish from the oceans, which doesn't count as PRODUCING, its more like procuring." I read produce here to mean "to compose, create, or bring out by intellectual or physical effort" [Merriam-Webster def. 6]. I suppose LSAC here means "to give birth or rise to : yield" [Merriam-Webster def 2]. Anyone find this a bit frustrating? Thoughts on how to avoid confusion when they try to play tricks on language?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-72-section-2-question-07/

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Thursday, Oct 27 2016

@ Yes during the test. Read to understand not to memorize though. If you get it, move on to the next sentence/paragraph. Don't let yourself re-read a list of 5 details about how one psychologist feels about something, or a 3 line definition of a science term, just know where to find the details/terms.

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Friday, Jan 27 2017

LG first for me. I like taking them freshest. then LR 2nd, RC 3rd. LR 4th, and EXP 5th.

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I took PT's with RC as experimentals, allowing an RC RC back to back, just cause I am deathly afraid of such a situation. I figure I'd better prepare for it in advance.

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Saturday, Nov 26 2016

I'd recommend against the hotel. I'm opting for the drive myself. Had a nightmare scenario last time with a hotel. At home, much less can go wrong. I'll have enough trouble sleeping as it is, without worrying about loud people partying, dogs barking, fire alarms being pulled, etc. My personal suggestion only.

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Tuesday, Oct 25 2016

@ Glad to hear I'm not alone. Let me know what your thoughts on the 70s are when you're done with BR?

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Tuesday, Oct 25 2016

Single thing that helped me the most, I think, is re-reading something in your original run through (seriously, do it) if you didn't understand it. It will take another 30-45 seconds on your read, but it will solidify everything you have read. Graeme Blake (LSAThacks) has a great article about RC tips, including the science of re-reading. https://lsathacks.com/guide/faq/how-to-go-faster-reading-comprehension/ READ IT.

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Saturday, Dec 24 2016

Everyone, thanks for the replies.

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I find I sometimes have that problem in the first 5 on LR. One of the questions (usually the abstract types, MOR, role in argument, etc), which I get tripped up on though I know it's easy. Do you normally include an LR section for warmup? If so, how do you feel about redoing LR? For me, I find that I breeze through 90% of the questions, which always seem fresh in my mind (even after a year), and I only really have a moderate challenge for the tough 10%, making me feel like I'm cheating. Well, the point isn't to be challenged by new problems but to just get in the groove, so I guess a bit of cheating should be ok?

@ How long did it take you to find your sweet spot? Also, do you self-identify as the LSAT solving mode warmup'er, as opposed to the LSAT timing mode kind of person? (Borrowing @ 's theory) In other words, you are usually fine on timing, its just the solving mindset needs a bit of easing in?

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Very, very interesting! I am working on a sleep schedule and daily work-out (easier said than done...) When you say back to back PT, do you mean 4 35 minute sections in a row, then 15 minute break then 4 more in a row? Or something like 3 sections first, then a break, then 5-section test after?

I think I tend to be the LSAT solving mode kind of warmup'er. I generally don't have problems with timing (at least that which warming-up solves). 99% of the time I am pushing myself to go as fast as possible when I am in a section. Now that I think about it, it wasn't always like that. It took a while for me to be able to flip that switch. That's more of an 'empty your mind' and focus type of deal, though.

Last 2 questions, I promise (for this post :)): Do you reuse old sections to warm-up? Do you BR warm-up sections, and if so, to what degree in relation to the actual PT?

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At this particular moment the thought of 3 sections of warm-up is converging with thoughts of baked Alaska and creme brulee... you might be on to something. Did you do a lot of experimenting before finding the sweet spot for warm-ups? And your experiences with said experiments? (some torching involved, perhaps?)

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Friday, Dec 23 2016

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Warming up before a PT? IF so how much?

I read in the past in some 180er's blog that he used to do a LG section before each PT to warm up. So I started doing that. 1 section of LG, usually an old one, about an hour before starting my PT (to simulate waiting in the test center to start).

Now I read on a discussion here (not naming names, but @Sami says that she warms up with 3 sections before each PT (1 LR, 1 LG, 1 RC). I was really surprised, hence this post. I would honestly try warming up with 3 sections before each PT, but I find I get a headache during the 3/4th section and I am pretty beat by the end of the 5th. I don't know if I could handle more than that. You think it is just a stamina thing that I need to work on? How much do you all warm up? And what are you with/without warming up PT scores? Noticeable difference? Especially @Sami , I'd like to hear how you go about doing a PT run. Any comments appreciated!

I have read in quite a number of forums that the 70's PTs are tougher than the 60's PTs, or at least that peoples scores go down when they break into the 70's. I haven't taken any of the 70's yet, but I have taken some 60's (61,62,63,69) and a number from 30-59 (like 15). So can anyone, without spoiling anything in the PTs I haven't seen, explain a bit about why people are having more trouble with the 70's and how I can avoid it?

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Sunday, Jan 15 2017

Question. I'm not currently doing a 7sage Course right now, but I'd still like to buy the explanations for PT 79. I understand how it would be a really good deal for someone with a Course right now, especially an ultimate or ultimate+, the extension would be more than worth it. However, for me, only being to access it for a month might be a bit problematic, say if I need to review it later, past Feb 15th. Is there any way for me to get a bit more time only to view PT 79 explanations?

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Wednesday, Feb 15 2017

For me these were important:

Writing out LR answer explanations for ones I got wrong, or felt were ridiculously difficult and guessed, but got right. Sometimes I've had to stare at an LR question for 30 minutes to fully understand where I went wrong. Then you just have that moment of epiphany and it all makes sense... sneaky sneaky LSAC.

Taking my weakest section as the experimental during ALL PT's. For me it was RC, which I got down from a -5-8 to a -2-4. Probably be LR for you, so take an experimental section for each PT. Try to look for the harder ones if you're feeling daring.

Keep practicing LG. If you EVER get ANY wrong in LG, you have more work to do. I am guilty of this myself. On Feb LSAT, I had to guess on 3 questions... probably ruined my mid 170's chance. So keep going even after you hit -0.

Thorough blind review. For me, it was redoing every RC section timed, and listing line references for each answer/answer choice right next to them. Also, on LR, going through the section timed again (loosely) and spending time on the difficult ones. After time is up, stare at the ones you still can't figure out (for up to 30 minutes if necessary).

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Monday, Nov 13 2017

When I was still studying, I would run the videos on 2.4x speed when I wanted to learn. When I want to appreciate JY's humor, I slow down to 1.7x. In real life though, JY's 1.0x speed doesn't seem out of sorts at all.

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Saturday, Nov 12 2016

1. My name is Chris (we've met before, actually, at one of the 7-sage events in Manhattan, I talked to you and JY about "Thinking, Fast and Slow); I graduated from a SUNY college 2 years ago, major in German Language/Literature (studied abroad in Germany for a year) and minor in Business Management (pretty much what I was focusing on for a major when I decided to go abroad for a year instead). I'm currently interning with a judge to see the law in action.

2. Biggest worry: I have a large gap in my resume, about a year and a half, during which I traveled a bit. Also, bombed LSAT last December (funny story...) with a 163, so when I get a 169+ next month I'll write an addendum.

3. Idea 1: overview or poignant anecdotes about my internship and how it has shaped my idea of the law.

Idea 2: discussion of my life as a student abroad: adapting to a different culture, taking a master's business course while abroad and 2 Ugrad level con-law classes.

4. Not attended.

Looking forward to chatting with you again.

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Tuesday, Dec 06 2016

Thanks for the comments. @ thanks for the link. I feel like I've read Pacifico's post sometime before but forgot about it. I think I will go get myself a binder now.

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Monday, Feb 06 2017

I was in a similar situation for my first take. Fire alarms at hotel + no sleep = BOMB THE LG. I knew it wasn't my best (or even close), but I was set on being done and applying. I kept the score. It was a 163. I wish every day that I cancelled it. Taking in June won't be so bad, provided you have the materials to last till then. Also, taking in Japan in Sept/Oct doesn't sound impossible. I would personally cancel, but that is just me. You will end up taking it again anyway. No reason to look stupid on your application (like me). There were 12-13 question in the last 2 games. You answered 3, that leaves 9-10 guesses. So in all likelihood, you will be going -8 or higher. That is a big deal. If you avg -3 on LG, then you are going to be 3-4 full points below where you should be.

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Tuesday, Dec 06 2016

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Doing old LG's (Pre 2 Page change)?

I was wondering how everybody takes these. I find the lack of space not to be problematic per-say, but I want to stay used to the 2 page format. I know 7sage used to have the old PT PDFs split up, so they all had the 2 page format. Anyone know how I could split my PDFs so they would be formatted like that?

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Monday, Feb 06 2017

@ said:

Does anyone remember how many questions were in the last game?

7 total. :( I remember counting with dismay.

Also, did anyone feel confident about the Napoleon question? I thought the beaker question was tricky, but reading the wording REALLY closely the wording helped me answer it, I think. Not with Napoleon.

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Thursday, Jan 05 2017

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I think our approaches are fundamentally the same, the only difference being that I keep the sufficients separate, whereas you combine them. In retrospect, I like the idea of combining them like you did, it certainly makes taking the contrapositive simpler. However, I find that my mind generally doesn't tend to combine multiple sufficients into one; I think maybe it conflicts with my internal logicometer on the LSAT, which usually says that if you simplify something you tend to lose some degree of precision. That having been said, I don't think that is the case here. Thanks for your take.

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Thursday, Jan 05 2017

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I definitely NEVER review my warm-ups pre PT. And they are mostly redoes of old sections anyway, which should be 0's anyway (hopefully). That way, my confidence doesn't suffer (Cause I usually blow through the section in 28 minutes, making me feel very smart :) ).

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Thursday, Jan 05 2017

I am now officially a double-delayer, which is very tough. It is really only in my plans for revenge against the LSAT (173+ sounds like revenge to me) that I find solace. Hopefully I will be able to write a story like this one at that time... thanks for sharing.

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Sunday, Feb 05 2017

WARNING: this is a long post. Disregard if you don't like reading.

MY order was: LR LR RC LR LG.

I posted last week that I'd take ANY sections for LG but 5, and lo and behold... Also, as a preamble, I NEVER finish LR with more than 2 minutes to spare after my first run-through. I hardly ever skip and go back, except for 1 or 2 in the last 2 or so minutes. Usually go 0-3. RC is my weakest. Usually go 2-4 wrong. LG pretty decent. Usually 2-3 wrong. Sometimes -1.

MY impressions:

1st LR: starting with coffee question. Incredibly easy LR. I blew threw the section in about 25 minutes then came back and br'ed a bit.

Probably 0-1 wrong.

2nd LR: I don't really remember which questions. Also easy. Done in ~27 minutes. Then reviewed. This was experimental I think.

Probably 0-1 wrong, though it matters not.

3rd RC: official one. I thought it wasn't bad at all. Even on the easy side. Barely finished after going back to answer a tricky question from Indian passage (pretty typical timing for me).

I found Bumblebees easy (if you are familiar with all/most of the RC passages, this is reminiscent of an earlier passage?). That was a gift to me.

Indians and Romans: Also easy, just a bit difficult to get at the Indian authors main idea. He seemed a bit jumbled.

Civil trials: One of the easiest law passages I have ever seen. I thank God for this passage.

Liberal environmentalism: I had a bit of trouble with one question on here. A global question actually... but I think the answers were just poorly worded.

I'd say 2-4 wrong.

3 LR: that Napoleon question!! Tougher LR. Mostly because of that damned Napoleon question. Finished in about ~29 minutes and reviewed, then went to Napoleon again. I hate that question. Aside from that, I think 2 or 3 questions were challenging.

Probably 1-3 wrong.

5th LG: Official. Toughest for me.

G1: ordering game = easy. JY would say 6 minutes?

G2: Vase Game = medium 8-9 minutes, if you figured out the inferences in the setup. Without that, probably a 10-12 minute game.

G3: 12 weeks = not a problem. It was just a unique twist. A LOT of counting... 7-8 minutes for this one.

G4: INTERVIEWS: this one is it. I only had 6.5 minutes for this and it was NOT enough. about 10 would have been just right. difficulty lay in the last question mostly, but others were very time consuming.

Probably 3-5 wrong. 3 guesses :(

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Tuesday, Jan 03 2017

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Funny you should say 1 year 3 months. I'm right around the corner from that. Feb will be 1 year 4 months, though I only studied for about 6-7 of them... and the first 3 were wasted on a Kaplan course...

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I'm experimenting with exercise as a warm up too. Just need to make sure I don't tire myself out too much, but still be warmed up. Still working on it.

Thanks all for the advice!

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Tuesday, Nov 01 2016

The LSAC could have rephrased the answer choice to be what you were thinking, but that is the conclusion. You cannot generally argue with the conclusion. You need to attack the evidence/assumption, which you don't have to assume are true on the LSAT. Also, if the answer choice for a flaw question were, "The scientist's conclusion [insert here] is totally full of it.' That would be either too easy, or misleading, depending on the flaw, and I would be wary.

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Tuesday, Nov 01 2016

Definition of altruism, courtesy of Merriam-Webster: feelings and behavior that show a desire to help other people and a lack of selfishness. Basically 'self-interested' and 'altruistic' are forever apart bi conditional. If you can prove that one is always somewhere, you can prove that the other isn't.

There is FL in action here. First, I would say, is PERSON -> SUFF SELF ESTEEM. Next sentence, SELF ESTEEM -> BELIEVE ONES USEFUL AND NEEDED. Next sentence, Altruistic behavior can be understood as being motivated to fill this need/necessary condition, e.g. to reinforce ones belief that they are useful and needed. And since altruism is defined as something like 'doing good things for other people which don't affect you, then he's assuming that 'can be' = 'is in fact'. With that, if all behavior that seems altruistic is in fact motivated by selfish desires, then there is no altruism period.

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Wednesday, Mar 01 2017

My mind is not often blown. I got a 172... WOOT! I had hoped for a nice even 173 to be on par for HY... but this is still fine.

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