7sage Admissions Predictor

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  MissChanandler Alum Member Sage ⭐

  November 2018 3256 karma

  https://7sage.com/admissions/lesson/affects-chances-getting-law-school/ this explains it all!
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  LSAT_Wrecker Member ⭐

  November 2018 4850 karma

  I like the 7Sage predictor. Just remember, all statistical models break down when n=1.
• LAWYERED Alum Member

  November 2018 335 karma

  @LSAT_Wrecker said:
  I like the 7Sage predictor. Just remember, all statistical models break down when n=1.

  what do you mean?
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  eRetaker Free Trial Member

  November 2018 2043 karma

  @LAWYERED said:

  @LSAT_Wrecker said:
  I like the 7Sage predictor. Just remember, all statistical models break down when n=1.

  what do you mean?

  @LSAT_Wrecker means models are useless if the data they're based on has small sample size (n=1 sample data point).
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  LSAT_Wrecker Member ⭐

  November 2018 edited November 2018 4850 karma

  Actually, what I mean is that models are good for making broad generalities. However, you cannot take that broad generality and expect identical outcomes when you make a prediction of a single person (yourself in this instance).

  Single person / n=1 refering to the output of a model (a prediction about your outcome) not the input / data upon which the model operates.
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  Leah M B Alum Member ⭐

  November 2018 8392 karma

  I think it's accurate-ish. I like to use the mylsn.info one a little more, because I like being able to click through and check out the relevant LSN profiles and see scholarship money awarded.
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  David Busis Member Moderator

  November 2018 7375 karma

  Hi everyone,

  Accurate-ish is a good description. You should crosscheck our model with https://officialguide.lsac.org/release/ugpalsat/ugpalsat.aspx. In most cases, we're pretty similar.

  @eRetaker we looked at about 400000 applications from LSN, so the sample size isn't small, although it's far from perfect.

  @"Leah M B" we draw on the same data that mylsn.info draws on, although we have our own statistical model.

  In general, I think you should use the model to give you a sense of your odds, but you shouldn't take it literally. I have a feeling that it exaggerates the importance of applying early in the cycle or applying ED for below-median applicants.

  Our predictor isn't sophisticated enough to model this, but from an admissions officers’ perspective, ED is a great opportunity to lock in applicants with (1) median-supporting LSAT scores or GPAs, or (2) (less commonly) exceptional diversity. Because some applicants with LSAT scores or GPAs that hit the median will be rejected later in the cycle, we think that ED provides a significant tailwind to candidates who hit at least one of the numbers. (This may also be why our model sees such a strong effect from ED.) On the other hand, we expect that most candidates who have below-median LSAT scores and GPAs will be punted into the RD pool or (less commonly) rejected.
• LAWYERED Alum Member

  November 2018 335 karma

  @"David.Busis" said:
  Hi everyone,

  Accurate-ish is a good description. You should crosscheck our model with https://officialguide.lsac.org/release/ugpalsat/ugpalsat.aspx. In most cases, we're pretty similar.

  @eRetaker we looked at about 400000 applications from LSN, so the sample size isn't small, although it's far from perfect.

  @"Leah M B" we draw on the same data that mylsn.info draws on, although we have our own statistical model.

  In general, I think you should use the model to give you a sense of your odds, but you shouldn't take it literally. I have a feeling that it exaggerates the importance of applying early in the cycle or applying ED for below-median applicants.

  Our predictor isn't sophisticated enough to model this, but from an admissions officers’ perspective, ED is a great opportunity to lock in applicants with (1) median-supporting LSAT scores or GPAs, or (2) (less commonly) exceptional diversity. Because some applicants with LSAT scores or GPAs that hit the median will be rejected later in the cycle, we think that ED provides a significant tailwind to candidates who hit at least one of the numbers. (This may also be why our model sees such a strong effect from ED.) On the other hand, we expect that most candidates who have below-median LSAT scores and GPAs will be punted into the RD pool or (less commonly) rejected.

  Thanks! Is there any chance the predictor could be over-emphasizing the admissions advantage of being an URM? I am one and I was very surprised at the percentage difference between URM and non-URM.
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  David Busis Member Moderator

  November 2018 7375 karma

  @LAWYERED of course there's a chance, but I have no reason to think it is.

  Still, proceed with caution. I would advise you to add a couple safety and target schools based solely on your numbers, not on the predictor.