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PTing in the 80s has made me completely lose confidence in myself.

ajspianoajspiano Monthly Member
in General 153 karma

Started studying in late May with a 150 diagnostic and have improved to scoring in the low 160s, but have regressed to the mid 150s in the couple of 80s PTs I've taken. Before, I was going -3-5 in LR, and now I'm going -11... I just feel so discouraged and like none of the hard work I've put in has helped now. Anyone else experience something similar and overcome it?

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  • zoomzoomzoomzoom Alum Member
    462 karma

    Hey man, this is actually a pretty common sentiment so I hope you know you are not alone.

    I myself saw a drop in LR when I hit the PT's in the 80's. I also thought they were just way harder than older LR.

    What I think now is the LR is different, but not necessarily harder. They are different in the sense that they may use terminology or synonyms for words in the stimulus that you would not expect if you are looking for a specific word. Or that they are different when they completely ignore a conditional chain statement in favor of an inference that hinges on one or two words.

    So it can seem harder, but I would argue that it's just different. If you were putting up -3 to -5 previously, you definitely have the skills to ace LR. Think of it instead as adaptation. You have to adapt slightly to face your new opponent.

    There is a reason why people stress practicing with the most recent PT's. It gives you a sense of how the LSAC could be evolving and how you need to adapt to fight your opponent.

  • Hayden SchwamHayden Schwam Member
    19 karma

    Hey man, I've just finished my first two PTs since the my diagnostic 2 months ago (which was 148), but I scored a 153 on 81. and a 152 on 82, so honestly I'm glad to hear you found them difficult because maybe that means I'll score a bit higher in the lower PTs!

  • mellomelmellomel Alum Member
    292 karma

    I did experience the same thing! Don't be discouraged! What I realized was while I could get away with prephrasing in earlier PT's, I couldn't in the new ones because there would be a trap AC sounding like a popular prephrase, but it would actually mean something else. So I needed to adjust the rigor of my prephrasing (and eventually switched to no-prephrasing, just understanding the argument and maybe spotting the gap if it's obvious approach. But you gotta experiment and practice to find the best approach for you). Overall I think the newer tests do require more flexibility and outside the box thinking. So don't underestimate the power of BR - make sure you really dig deep into questions that gave you difficulty by coming up with parallel arguments, etc. Basically you just need to practice and get used to the newer tests. Also maybe redo difficult questions from these PT's from time to time. In time, and especially if you decide go back to PT 50s or 60s, you'll notice that the questions haven't changed all that much. That's how it went for me and I eventually did fine, so hang in there!

  • mikaylacastagnamikaylacastagna Alum Member
    81 karma

    me too! dont worry you're not alone

  • CripTheLawCripTheLaw Alum Member
    45 karma

    If you are taking the LSAT in the next few administrations, there is a good chance that the test your receive will be more similar to the 60s or 70s than the 80s, so don't lose hope. Keep practicing and mastering your mistakes and you will be able to tackle whatever LSAC throws your way.

  • CashhhyyyCashhhyyy Monthly Member
    580 karma

    Keep grinding. When the test comes, something in you will grind the heck out of that test and you'll do better than you think.

  • ajspianoajspiano Monthly Member
    153 karma

    Thanks for the encouragement, everyone. I've done some difficult things in my life, but nothing has been quite as blindsiding or blatantly ego-crushing as studying for this test.

  • thinkorswimthinkorswim Alum Member
    428 karma

    I have experienced the same thing ajspiano. I also have written every single PT (FYI to know this). There are some subtle differences in the 80's I believe I think it is how they make the conclusion a little bit more nuanced. I also think in the 80s they had more fill in the blank questions. The only way to get around this is literally to just get used to the modern LSATs. If the fill in the blank questions are causing you problems go to the test bank and drill those. I know it may seem scary right now and I have been in your shoes, but believe me when I say that you just have to get accustom to the 80s. Once you have seen them enough and get used to this new formatting, I assure you you will be back to normal :smile:

  • Auntie2020Auntie2020 Alum Member
    552 karma

    Hey!!! I think it's awesome you started to practice the more recent tests. As long as you keep pushing, reviewing, and working through it, with time you will eventually get the hang of it. Don't give up :)

  • Exhausted_GingerExhausted_Ginger Monthly Member
    44 karma

    currently experiencing this... its very discouraging... and I am taking the august LSAt...i have already scheduled a re-take in October...

  • agc438agc438 Yearly Member
    253 karma

    Yeah, if you're getting -11, that means you need to go back to strengthen/weaken/flaw question types and make those more grounded. Those types weren't as prevalent in the earlier LSATs from my study and they became wayyy more prevalent on the more recent ones.

  • As someone who took both the April and June flexes, I can certainly say the tests are closer to the 60s or 70s than the 80s

  • agc438agc438 Yearly Member
    253 karma

    @"Timmy Is an Avg Kid that No One Understands" said:
    As someone who took both the April and June flexes, I can certainly say the tests are closer to the 60s or 70s than the 80s

    OMG really? The 70s imo have some of the most difficult RC (praying no passages on mirrors) and has a surprising amount of misc games for LG....

  • bstampflbstampfl Alum Member
    34 karma

    @CripTheLaw said:
    If you are taking the LSAT in the next few administrations, there is a good chance that the test your receive will be more similar to the 60s or 70s than the 80s, so don't lose hope. Keep practicing and mastering your mistakes and you will be able to tackle whatever LSAC throws your way.

    I have heard this before -- why is it the case? And how certain is that upcoming administrations will be more similar to 60s/70s than PTs in the 80s?

  • noone...noone... Alum Member
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    The harder 80s tests will just make you better when the real test comes around for you. Focus on this perspective and the demoralization will turn around into a confidence boost! Your score drops are just indicative of you encountering questions/concepts out of your comfort zone, and learning from these will make you much more well rounded for the real test.

  • alyssa14221522alyssa14221522 Monthly Member
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    I am experiencing the same thing. I was scoring 162's consecutively for the PT's in the 70's and now i am scoring 157-160's for the 80's. Although it sucks that we are experiencing this, know that you are not alone!

  • vam621vam621 Alum Member
    101 karma

    @"Timmy Is an Avg Kid that No One Understands" said:
    As someone who took both the April and June flexes, I can certainly say the tests are closer to the 60s or 70s than the 80s

    Is there any data to support this? The 60s and 70s are much easier for me than the 80s
    Would love some confirmation on this, thank you.

  • sj657216sj657216 Alum Member
    47 karma

    @CripTheLaw said:
    If you are taking the LSAT in the next few administrations, there is a good chance that the test your receive will be more similar to the 60s or 70s than the 80s, so don't lose hope. Keep practicing and mastering your mistakes and you will be able to tackle whatever LSAC throws your way.

    Why is this the case? I will take the LSAT this Sunday and like many others in this discussion, I noticed the 80's PT's are a bit.. different.

  • olivianne1999olivianne1999 Monthly Member
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    Newer PT's have wrecked me lol. Just continue to sharpen the skills you already have

  • lobell79lobell79 Alum Member
    146 karma

    @CripTheLaw said:
    If you are taking the LSAT in the next few administrations, there is a good chance that the test your receive will be more similar to the 60s or 70s than the 80s, so don't lose hope. Keep practicing and mastering your mistakes and you will be able to tackle whatever LSAC throws your way.

    Still doing the CC, but this comment piqued my interest. Signed up for November, first time. Wondering if you could elaborate? Thank you!

  • charliebrowncharliebrown Alum Member
    edited August 2021 24 karma

    tempting to do it, but probably not worth guessing what flavor the Aug/Oct tests will be most like.

    Better to go in expecting it to be totally different than what you have seen before. That way, if it is, you're expecting it and stay cool. If its not, then great!
    @ajspiano -- instead of losing confidence, realize that you are practicing the MOST important skill right now, which is performing even when the test isn't what you expected, relying on fundamentals, and staying calm. A bad score on a PT means you got good practice pushing through a challenging test, its the BEST kind of practice, in a way. :)

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