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Law school acceptance data

Maximus4Maximus4 Alum Member
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I just wanted to see whats a somewhat reliable way of figuring out whether or not you will be accepted to a certain law school. I am interested in going to either USC or UCLA for law but I wanted to see how my GPA/LSAT would measure up. Anyone have some website or data source? Thanks.

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  • AllezAllez21AllezAllez21 Legacy Member Inactive Sage Inactive ⭐
    1917 karma

    This is what you're looking for:
    http://mylsn.info/dispresults.php

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
    23929 karma

    @Maximus4 said:
    I just wanted to see whats a somewhat reliable way of figuring out whether or not you will be accepted to a certain law school. I am interested in going to either USC or UCLA for law but I wanted to see how my GPA/LSAT would measure up. Anyone have some website or data source? Thanks.

    mylsn.info is helpful. Check out the schools' class profile below.

    https://law.ucla.edu/admissions/class-profile/

    http://gould.usc.edu/academics/degrees/jd/class-profile/

  • johanna586johanna586 Alum Member
    202 karma

    @AllezAllez21 said:
    This is what you're looking for:
    http://mylsn.info/dispresults.php

    On this page, what do the red and green highlighted schools mean?

  • Mellow_ZMellow_Z Alum Member
    edited July 2017 1997 karma

    @johanna586 said:

    @AllezAllez21 said:
    This is what you're looking for:
    http://mylsn.info/dispresults.php

    On this page, what do the red and green highlighted schools mean?

    It's the likelihood of acceptance. Red is basically no shot, green is a good shot. Orange and varying shades of lighter red/yellow/orange means it's a toss up.

    I will say this is based off of historical data though, so there is always the possibility that it changes. And if you have a small sample pool (eg. super splitters), there really isn't any telling what the outcome of your cycle would be.

    Also worth keeping in mind - this doesn't cover every acceptance and denial. It just covers what has been reported.

  • Harrison_PavHarrison_Pav Alum Member
    edited July 2017 218 karma

    This is also a decent website. You can click on the schools, and review them more in detail, and each one there has a cool table that shows lsat ranges and GPA ranges and how many applications each school has had, and how many admits they have for that range and applicants.

    https://officialguide.lsac.org/release/ugpalsat/ugpalsat.aspx

  • LSATcantwinLSATcantwin Alum Member Sage
    13286 karma

    @Mellow_Z said:

    @johanna586 said:

    @AllezAllez21 said:
    This is what you're looking for:
    http://mylsn.info/dispresults.php

    On this page, what do the red and green highlighted schools mean?

    It's the likelihood of acceptance. Red is basically no shot, green is a good shot. Orange and varying shades of lighter red/yellow/orange means it's a toss up.

    I will say this is based off of historical data though, so there is always the possibility that it changes. And if you have a small sample pool (eg. super splitters), there really isn't any telling what the outcome of your cycle would be.

    Also worth keeping in mind - this doesn't cover every acceptance and denial. It just covers what has been reported.

    The cursed Super Splitter. I feel like a white whale....lol

  • usernameusername Alum Member
    edited July 2017 276 karma
  • LSATcantwinLSATcantwin Alum Member Sage
    13286 karma

    @username said:
    @LSATcantwin
    http://admissionsbythenumbers.blogspot.com/2013/07/which-schools-are-splitter-friendly-non.html

    For all those white whales. For whales of any hue, really. No hate.

    This is awesome!!

    I'm just wondering what they'll think of me.

    Cumulative GPA 2.7
    Degree GPA 4.0
    4 year Military service between my 4.0 and crappy college days.
    Right now roughly a 168 LSAT? maybe?

    Where oh where will I end up....lol

  • Accounts PlayableAccounts Playable Alum Sage
    3107 karma

    LSN is the best we are probably going to get, but be aware of a few issues that are probably true with the data. Nevertheless, I think some data is better than no data.

    1.) I'd bet only about 5% of applicants report their numbers. This is entirely a guess %, but I think it's a reasonable amount. Even then, you probably have the vast majority post acceptances rather than denials. There is a huge lack of updated waitlist data as well. There is even less scholarship reporting, too.

    2.) Truthfulness in the data. Since it's self reported, people might fudge a few numbers for many reasons: keep anonymity, lie, etc.

    Personally, I like to play with the numbers around a bit to mess with the sample size. If I put my numbers in exactly, there are only about 10 people in the history of the site to report that, so it's not a lot to go off of. Best bet is to play with 2-3 LSAT points and a few hundredth points on GPA and see what happens. As I stated earlier, it's probably the best we are going to get. Last cycle, Spivey posted LSAT scores and # of applicants, so that's somewhat useful to gauge some of the LSN data as well.

  • Mellow_ZMellow_Z Alum Member
    edited July 2017 1997 karma

    @LSATcantwin said:

    @username said:
    @LSATcantwin
    http://admissionsbythenumbers.blogspot.com/2013/07/which-schools-are-splitter-friendly-non.html

    For all those white whales. For whales of any hue, really. No hate.

    This is awesome!!

    I'm just wondering what they'll think of me.

    Cumulative GPA 2.7
    Degree GPA 4.0
    4 year Military service between my 4.0 and crappy college days.
    Right now roughly a 168 LSAT? maybe?

    Where oh where will I end up....lol

    I have the same stats as you for the most part. It's an uphill battle for sure.

    Things you do have going for you :

    • You have an obvious gap in between college attendance. This will be a strong soft, more than anything. They can see an obvious upwards trend, and it's safe to write the low GPA off due to immaturity (which is no longer the issue)
    • Military Service. Huge soft. This also is a huge benefit for you because it gives you way more freedom to apply ED. UVA, for instance, is notorious for accepting 170+/2.x(or low 3.x) super splitters under ED. So you have a shoe in for a T14 acceptance if you can crack 170 on the LSAT.

    Thing(s) you don't have going for you :

    • Even though you can show positive improvement on your GPA, schools still have to report the LSAC GPA. They can't acknowledge the gap years, or the upward trend, or the gained maturity. They are ranked solely off of your LSAC GPA, which hurts their numbers. Granted, once you're under a schools 25th percentile, there isn't much difference between a 3.5 and a 2.0.. as long as your resume and application shows you're worth while. They both impact the reports the same.
  • tringo335tringo335 Alum Member
    3679 karma

    @AllezAllez21 said:
    This is what you're looking for:
    http://mylsn.info/dispresults.php

    Sorry call me ignorant; but when I input info, I just get a list of schools I don't see a ranking of green/red/yellow. Can someone help a sister out?

  • AnthonyScaliaAnthonyScalia Alum Member
    330 karma

    Are there any resources that describe situations in which people have the numbers but still don't get in?

    It would be nice to hear testimonies, or reflections from admissions officer detailing why somebody with 75% GPA and LSAT didn't get in.

  • gioaragon95gioaragon95 Alum Member
    edited July 2017 174 karma

    @AJordanMD There used to be a video that Kaplan put up that had Admission officers from Harvard, NYU,Virginia ect. They all talked about how they analysed applicants applications. I'm trying to look for it again but it seems like they took it down.

    If anyone else can find it that could be helpful for you.

    They say they don't just look at numbers and with the discussion that they had they are looking for well rounded candidates. People with interesting backgrounds and stories. Some schools talked about how they get tons of applicants with high scores so what they were looking for were applicants with character. They also showed students who had high scores but did not have the character or came off as entitled/snobby. It came down to showing me that not a lot of applicants take the essay, letter of recs, resume, and overall application process seriously.Which they explained can hurt you in your chances of being considered.

    Also they explained that not all GPA's are the same and they don't just look at whether you fit into their % percentage markers for GPA. They explained that sometime students may get a 3.8 at one school but their mean GPA at that particular school is super high and inflated like a mean GPA of a 3.65 for all students. Which can look bad (they really do look into what your class rank you are and the minute details of what your GPA consists of)

    Where as a student with a 3.5 at a school whose mean GPA of all students is a 3.1 can look a lot better than the GPA of the former since the curve and grade inflation is not affecting the outcome of the actual GPA and may be more indicative of your actual performance as a student.

  • jknaufjknauf Alum Member
    1741 karma

    https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/SchoolsABAData/SchoolPage/SchoolPage.aspx?sid=137

    @Maximus4 check out the grid at the bottom of the page. One disadvantage here is you cannot see URM data.

    Best of luck

  • Mellow_ZMellow_Z Alum Member
    1997 karma

    @tringo335 said:

    @AllezAllez21 said:
    This is what you're looking for:
    http://mylsn.info/dispresults.php

    Sorry call me ignorant; but when I input info, I just get a list of schools I don't see a ranking of green/red/yellow. Can someone help a sister out?

    It should show up like this : http://i.imgur.com/8MhLIcP.png

    If not, I'd say try another browser - maybe something with plugins or enabled/disabled content has a play in how the website loads.

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
    edited July 2017 23929 karma

    @gioaragon95 said:
    @AJordanMD There used to be a video that Kaplan put up that had Admission officers from Harvard, NYU,Virginia ect. They all talked about how they analysed applicants applications. I'm trying to look for it again but it seems like they took it down.

    If anyone else can find it that could be helpful for you.

    They say they don't just look at numbers and with the discussion that they had they are looking for well rounded candidates. People with interesting backgrounds and stories. Some schools talked about how they get tons of applicants with high scores so what they were looking for were applicants with character. They also showed students who had high scores but did not have the character or came off as entitled/snobby. It came down to showing me that not a lot of applicants take the essay, letter of recs, resume, and overall application process seriously.Which they explained can hurt you in your chances of being considered.

    Also they explained that not all GPA's are the same and they don't just look at whether you fit into their % percentage markers for GPA. They explained that sometime students may get a 3.8 at one school but their mean GPA at that particular school is super high and inflated like a mean GPA of a 3.65 for all students. Which can look bad (they really do look into what your class rank you are and the minute details of what your GPA consists of)

    Where as a student with a 3.5 at a school whose mean GPA of all students is a 3.1 can look a lot better than the GPA of the former since the curve and grade inflation is not affecting the outcome of the actual GPA and may be more indicative of your actual performance as a student.

    Link 1 (schools: Harvard, UVA, Penn and NYU): https://livestream.com/kaptest/the-180-admissions-roundtable/videos/27765588

    Link 2 (schools: UVA, BC, GWU and NYU): https://livestream.com/kaptest/lsat-180-live-mock-admissions-panel/videos/60476031

    ETA: links don't work anymore :(

  • tringo335tringo335 Alum Member
    3679 karma

    @Mellow_Z said:
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    It should show up like this : http://i.imgur.com/8MhLIcP.png

    If not, I'd say try another browser - maybe something with plugins or enabled/disabled content has a play in how the website loads.

    Hmm tried a different browser but for some reason still not working. This is how I have it completed. Is this correct?

    • Filled in LSAT and GPA
    • Marked 2016-2017 boxes under 'Cycles'
    • URM: AA Only
      -ED: Include (Don't know what that means)
      -Submitted between: August and November
      -Color Blind: Marked (Don't know what that means)
  • Freddy_DFreddy_D Monthly Member
    edited July 2017 2978 karma

    @tringo335 I think you may have filtered it too much. It's possible that there weren't any applicants that fit those specifications. This is especially true with AA applicants because there aren't that many data points available on mylsn. I think you should include more cycles and then leave the rest blank (ED, month of submission, and color blind).

  • Mellow_ZMellow_Z Alum Member
    1997 karma

    @Freddy_D said:
    @tringo335 I think you may have filtered it too much. It's possible that there weren't any applicants that fit those specifications. This is especially true with AA applicants because there aren't that many data points available on mylsn. I think you should include more cycles and then leave the rest blank (ED, month of submission, and color blind).

    I agree. Open the cycle window back for 2 additional years. Also, it's sometimes safe to widen your range of LSAT and GPA so that you get SOME results, and then start trimming down from there. Leave ED unchecked and leave color blind unchecked, unless you are RG colorblind, then you want it checked lol.

    After you described what you were sorting, it's clear to me that there is no results. I've had it happen if I'm too specific.

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