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Rules in LGs- I could use some help with this one

TimeisoftheEssenceTimeisoftheEssence Member
edited December 2017 in Logic Games 45 karma

There is a rule I am not able to understand and how I would write it out as a rule during my sketch. I believe it is a hybrid game...sequencing and not sure what else.

In a game disallowing ties: B appears before C, or B appears before D, but not both.

I wrote out the rule as B...C OR D...B but this doesn't clearly explain the rule and I will most likely continue to be confused. How can I better understand rules in this nature and what would be a better way to sketch it.

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  • akistotleakistotle Member ⭐ 🍌🍌
    9382 karma

    @Amaldonado178 said:
    There is a rule I am not able to understand and how I would write it out as a rule during my sketch. I believe it is a hybrid game...sequencing and not sure what else.

    In a game disallowing ties: B appears before C, or B appears before D, but not both.

    I wrote out the rule as B...C OR D...B but this doesn't clearly explain the rule and I will most likely continue to be confused. How can I better understand rules in this nature and what would be a better way to sketch it.

    Since it says "not both," you should write D - B - C or C - B - D. The rule basically says that B appears before C, or B appears before D but when B is before C, B has to be after D and when B is before D, B has to be after C.

    Could you give us an example of games that tend to confuse you?

  • BinghamtonDaveBinghamtonDave Alum Member ⭐ 🍌🍌
    8716 karma

    @akistotle you have done an absolutely incredible job helping with LG on this month's threads. Excellent work with the breakdown above.

    The only thing I would add is what this rule also tells us is that B can never be first or last because that spot would fail one of the conditions. We can go a bit deeper with our understanding of the rule: If C is first then D cannot be second, If D is last then C cannot be right before last. C and D can never touch. All of these might be something that could be an answer to an open ended question.

    David

  • Seeking PerfectionSeeking Perfection Alum Member
    4428 karma

    @akistotle said:

    @Amaldonado178 said:
    There is a rule I am not able to understand and how I would write it out as a rule during my sketch. I believe it is a hybrid game...sequencing and not sure what else.

    In a game disallowing ties: B appears before C, or B appears before D, but not both.

    I wrote out the rule as B...C OR D...B but this doesn't clearly explain the rule and I will most likely continue to be confused. How can I better understand rules in this nature and what would be a better way to sketch it.

    Since it says "not both," you should write D - B - C or C - B - D. The rule basically says that B appears before C, or B appears before D but when B is before C, B has to be after D and when B is before D, B has to be after C.

    Could you give us an example of games that tend to confuse you?

    @Akistotle is exactly right, but to make it even a hair simpler you can write it D - B - C with a switch on the top between the D and C. This simplification tends not to matter for long since the two possibilities D - B - C and C - B - D usually make for an excellent opportunity to split your game board. Each provides quite a bit of information which might combine well with other rules.

  • akistotleakistotle Member ⭐ 🍌🍌
    9382 karma

    @BinghamtonDave Thank you for the kind words! I always learn a lot from your comments! :blush:

  • TimeisoftheEssenceTimeisoftheEssence Member
    edited December 2017 45 karma

    Distribution and matching games tend to confuse me. Not on their own but when it is a hybrid game because the way the rules are set up I get confused on how to write them and lose points.

    @akistotle said:

    @Amaldonado178 said:
    There is a rule I am not able to understand and how I would write it out as a rule during my sketch. I believe it is a hybrid game...sequencing and not sure what else.

    In a game disallowing ties: B appears before C, or B appears before D, but not both.

    I wrote out the rule as B...C OR D...B but this doesn't clearly explain the rule and I will most likely continue to be confused. How can I better understand rules in this nature and what would be a better way to sketch it.

    Since it says "not both," you should write D - B - C or C - B - D. The rule basically says that B appears before C, or B appears before D but when B is before C, B has to be after D and when B is before D, B has to be after C.

    Could you give us an example of games that tend to confuse you?

  • TimeisoftheEssenceTimeisoftheEssence Member
    45 karma

    Thank you all very much! Those clarifications actually simplified it for me. I have to keep this in mind.

  • TheMikeyTheMikey Alum Member
    edited December 2017 4196 karma

    I write this kind of rule out as something like: [ C - B - D ] with a little switch type of line above connecting C and D telling me they can switch places and that B can never been before or after both C and D.

  • TimeisoftheEssenceTimeisoftheEssence Member
    45 karma

    Thank you! Knowing i can reach out for help when I get stuck helps tremendously. > @TheMikey said:

    I write this kind of rule out as something like: [ C - B - D ] with a little switch type of line above connecting C and D telling me they can switch places and that B can never been before or after both C and D.

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